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On October 22 2011 10:42 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:40 caradoc wrote:On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units. yeah, its a bit puzzling. Protoss early game weak. Give protoss more late game units. And the Oracle ability seems a bit contrived--- Toss QQing that there are so many variants of 1/1/1 and they're relatively unscoutable until robo and you don't know the composition --> lets give toss a unit that is more expensive/later than an obs and can see what units are being made in terran structures Well they acknowledge that 1/1/1 is OP and I expect that there are balance changes coming up that will affect the units involved. The new units don't have to be anti-1/1/1 for Blizzard to rebalance the build.
I imagine the replicator would kill any 1/1/1 - just go for early robo, get obs / stalkers out and bam siege tanks to kill marines.
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On October 22 2011 10:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? Other than that i like the new terran units(shredder ftw), their design is still quite lame though. And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units. Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'. No, no that is definitely not what protoss need. Phoenix, sentries, void rays, prism allins are all obnoxious and annoying as hell --- they needed solid units not more flimsy shit that can create wins after which your opponent wants to punch you in the face for being such an annoying bastard. Also reaper change just made them pretty much useless vs zerg... No damage to buildings means reaper bunker rushes are 100% dead. Gonna be annoying as shit vs terran tho, they run in, kill a marine, run out with red hit points, come back full --;
"flimsy shit that can create wins after which your opponent wants to punch you in the face for being such an annoying bastard."
Why does this remind me so much of TvP bio, hellion drops, conc shell kiting constantly, cloaked banshees with observer snipes and half a dozen other all ins?
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On October 22 2011 10:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? Other than that i like the new terran units(shredder ftw), their design is still quite lame though. And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units. Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'. No, no that is definitely not what protoss need. Phoenix, sentries, void rays, prism allins are all obnoxious and annoying as hell --- they needed solid units not more flimsy shit that can create wins after which your opponent wants to punch you in the face for being such an annoying bastard. Also reaper change just made them pretty much useless vs zerg... No damage to buildings means reaper bunker rushes are 100% dead. Gonna be annoying as shit vs terran tho, they run in, kill a marine, run out with red hit points, come back full --;
All the protoss pros I have ever heard give an opinion on the matter disagree :o
Universally it seems that they all wanted harrass units. Although I expect this is not what they meant...
I agree 100% on the reapers though, they're already annoying TvT.
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Love how ppl get their knickers in a twist right away, these are in no way FINAL units. It's not like HOTS goes live tomorrow. Just be nice, give feedback and relax. Jesus fucking christ.
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On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? Other than that i like the new terran units(shredder ftw), their design is still quite lame though. And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units.
what makes you think its going to be as useless as the mothership?
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On October 22 2011 10:44 Rylaji wrote:
Love how ppl get their knickers in a twist right away, these are in no way FINAL units. It's not like HOTS goes live tomorrow. Just be nice, give feedback and relax. Jesus fucking christ.
What can we do man, people love to whine, and they love to hate blizzard.
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On October 22 2011 10:39 lololol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:38 gogatorsfoster wrote:
Anybody know what units the swarm host spawns? Is it going to spawn infested terran or something else? A new unit - Locusts. 90 hp, 16 damage and a cooldown similar to an unstimmed marine.
Do they have any range?
And you should report the spawn-timing as well, which, so far as I've read, is 2 every 24 seconds or so, that last for 15 seconds each.
I'm going to have to see this unit in action before I pass any judgement, but the theorycraft in my head is showing me dead Locusts in 2 seconds or less and a useless burrowed unit for the next 22.
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On October 22 2011 10:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? Other than that i like the new terran units(shredder ftw), their design is still quite lame though. And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units. Its like someone went 'What does protoss need.... I know, more ways to be an obnoxious cunt'.
This is possibly the best thing a progamer has ever typed.
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On October 22 2011 10:44 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:44 Rylaji wrote:
Love how ppl get their knickers in a twist right away, these are in no way FINAL units. It's not like HOTS goes live tomorrow. Just be nice, give feedback and relax. Jesus fucking christ. What can we do man, people love to whine, and they love to hate blizzard.
Yet they buy all the games and never do anything constructive to change anything =)
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On October 22 2011 10:43 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:42 The KY wrote:On October 22 2011 10:40 caradoc wrote:On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units. yeah, its a bit puzzling. Protoss early game weak. Give protoss more late game units. And the Oracle ability seems a bit contrived--- Toss QQing that there are so many variants of 1/1/1 and they're relatively unscoutable until robo and you don't know the composition --> lets give toss a unit that is more expensive/later than an obs and can see what units are being made in terran structures Well they acknowledge that 1/1/1 is OP and I expect that there are balance changes coming up that will affect the units involved. The new units don't have to be anti-1/1/1 for Blizzard to rebalance the build. I imagine the replicator would kill any 1/1/1 - just go for early robo, get obs / stalkers out and bam siege tanks to kill marines.
Yes I thought so too but I didn't know when it comes out or how much it costs etc. Tbh I think some people need to cool off given that there's so much we still don't know; theorycrafting is bad enough but with such limited information it's a bit silly to say 'OH THIS WILL BE OP' or 'THIS FIXES NOTHING'.
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i love the replicator. it is expensive but gives you access to your opponent's units allowing you to come up with combos you would never be able to do otherwise.
force field + siege tanks? oh dear lord, that's already gonna be a game ender.
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It's funny, so many protoss complain about zerg runbies or Terran drops, now that it looks as if they are going to get recall basically for free in the lategame that change is being completly ignored...
Frankly concerning the units itself let's wait until there is at least a playable version somewhere before we complain shall we?
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On October 22 2011 10:29 nazdrovie wrote:
Here's a thought:
buff gateway units,
remove forcefield from sentries replace it by some form of snare
make pylons upgradeable to dark pylons which can cast forcefield defensively
This way you make protoss way less dependant on forcefield and put an end to any forcefield abuse.
Buffing gateway units would make warpgate timings way too effective. That's why gateway units suck in the first place anyways; being able to warp in units all the way across the map where you've dropped a pylon pretty much eliminates the typical disadvantage that'd come from being the aggressor (where you'd ordinarily have to wait for reinforcements to make their way across the entire map).
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If they are going to balance the 1/1/1 only by making terran changes they basically have two options:
A. The marine
B. Tweaks to pretty much everything else in the terran line-up.
i.e. all at once
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On October 22 2011 10:46 Crisco wrote:
i love the replicator. it is expensive but gives you access to your opponent's units allowing you to come up with combos you would never be able to do otherwise.
force field + siege tanks? oh dear lord, that's already gonna be a game ender.
FF + infestor/zealot.
It's going to be gimmicky as all hell, but god damn if it doesn't sound fun.
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Well, I do think that there will be a lot of balance changes to be made once it goes live, but many fundamental issues with WoL seem to have been somewhat addressed. I really, really, really want this to be released soon! Looks like heaps o' fun 
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On October 22 2011 10:44 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:37 Yosen3002 wrote:On October 22 2011 10:34 Disquiet wrote:
Why don't people like the protoss + terran units, I think they are cool, I especially like the reaper change and turning the thor into a true super unit. Is it just because there are more zergs on TL? You cant be serious about that. The reaper change is kinda wayne and the Thor change is the most retarded thing in the whole addon. I was happy they removed the mothership, but then i heard they did the same thing to the thor and was like wtf? Other than that i like the new terran units(shredder ftw), their design is still quite lame though. And as a zergplayer i really kinda feel for the protoss guys, because id be pretty pissed seeing these new units. what makes you think its going to be as useless as the mothership?
Because the concept of a one time only 'super unit' was the problem with the mothership in the first place; it doesn't fit in the game and it's difficult/impossible to balance. Either it's impossible to stop or it's weak as a kitten (or at least very situational cough, mothership, cough).
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On October 22 2011 10:40 Gorguts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:38 Dungaurd wrote:
You people realize that without sentries protoss would lose every single game ever right? Also I love how people complain that there aren't enough "micro intensive" units in sc2 like there were in broodwar that really rewarded players for properly using them, and in the same post they want to take away one of the few we have, the sentry. Try to be unbiased .... we don't want to make protoss weaker, we want them to be more interesting. Sentries and Colossi are the problems making Protoss boring and blizzard did nothing to address that in the Blizzcon panels, ontop of that the new units announced for Protoss are also boring.
no, WARP GATE is what's making protoss boring. (and maybe colossus, but tbh recently we haven't seen as much colossus based play for a while) they can't touch gateway units, which are the backbone of the army obviously, because of warpgates. if you buff them even a slight bit, warp gate timing rushes become too strong...
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On October 22 2011 10:47 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:46 Crisco wrote:
i love the replicator. it is expensive but gives you access to your opponent's units allowing you to come up with combos you would never be able to do otherwise.
force field + siege tanks? oh dear lord, that's already gonna be a game ender. FF + infestor/zealot. It's going to be gimmicky as all hell, but god damn if it doesn't sound fun.
Donut FF opponent units. Replicate siege tanks. Kill all units before ff over
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On October 22 2011 10:40 Gorguts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 10:38 Dungaurd wrote:
You people realize that without sentries protoss would lose every single game ever right? Also I love how people complain that there aren't enough "micro intensive" units in sc2 like there were in broodwar that really rewarded players for properly using them, and in the same post they want to take away one of the few we have, the sentry. Try to be unbiased .... we don't want to make protoss weaker, we want them to be more interesting. Sentries and Colossi are the problems making Protoss boring and blizzard did nothing to address that in the Blizzcon panels, ontop of that the new units announced for Protoss are also boring.
I agree, Colossi are quite boring and I wish they would take them out for reavers or something. I don't really think sentries make protoss boring though, I think they are quite a fun unit that are very entertaining to watch, nothing is more fun then seeing MC lay down some perfect force fields.
But instead of trying to fix stuff like that they were like "lol we can't think up good toss units, so here copy the other races units that are better then yours."
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