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Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
October 22 2011 12:44 GMT
#141
Great stuff! Lets see some of the female talent shine!
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
graniten
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden36 Posts
October 22 2011 13:19 GMT
#142
On October 22 2011 21:39 xi Tempest x wrote:
They shouldn't separate guys and girls, everyone should play together... mabye do a few tournaments to get some girls into sc2, but after that... Don't make gender a requirment of playing in a tournament.

yes but no tourney would have girls then because they arent as good?
Dodgeball
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland141 Posts
October 22 2011 13:50 GMT
#143
I think it would be awesome to see these players:


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/EffkA

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/KellyMILKIES

http://www.razerzone.com/lindaliao/en

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Eve

also Navi, Flo, Aurora, Dzejna and megumixbear
Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
October 22 2011 14:13 GMT
#144
On October 22 2011 14:37 Scrimpton wrote:
That's just... not true GertHeart you must know... you must know that just isn't true.

I can throw around random anecdotes that may or may not be fabricated too, but it certainly won't add anything useful to the thread.


A girl does something, she gets praised whether she did a good job or not, cos hey she's hot right?
A guy does something, he's a useless nobody unless he comes first in a very major event.


Must agree with Moskau too, the chance to shine is already there.

Female teams and creating infrastructure is really cool.

"I prefer to learn and train in a predominantly female environment" - Can't complain
"I want to have access to much easier money because i'm not male" - Annoys people

I hope you can see the difference between the two.



Especially in eSports. Megumi, a 1600 masters at best, plays all day long with Strifecro, Destiny, Major, Ret, and a number of others. She got work as an interviewer at IPL, getting flown out there and put up in a hotel. She regularly has 300-1000 viewers on her stream, depending on who is on it. She moves pros around like chess pieces, setting up show matches because she feels like watching two pros play each other. Why is she able to do all this? Because she has a webcam on her stream and is good looking.

Anna Prosser, zero gaming pedigree, no passion at all in her interviews, a bronze level understanding of the game, on stage in a tiny ass cocktail dress at IPL asking guys "how do you feel right now?" Why? Because she's good looking.

Seltzer, on stage doing these incredibly awkward interviews, acting in an aggressive manner, and making completely inappropriate comments to the players and casters. Does she lose her job? Nope, she's good looking.

Pretty girls in esports are put on pedestals. They're paraded around in their cocktail dresses at IPL3 or their tiny ass jeans at NASL (lindsey sporrer anyone?). They're used for publicity and to make the crowds tune in. But we're not talking about pretty girls here. We're talking about female gamers. And there should ALWAYS be a difference between the two, even if the gamer is pretty, like a tossgirl. When the sport starts using women who are players the same way they use women who are SC2 celebrities, the sport as a whole has failed it's female gamers. And don't tell me that there is a difference in male to female brains. Of course there is, but that has nothing to do with video game skill. The reason that men are "more successful" then women at video games is because men play these games at a ratio of like 200-1 versus women. And men start playing at a younger age. Exceptions, like my clan mate PMS Flo, who have been playing games competitively for years and years (she was a CS pro before she switched over to SC2) are not only able to keep up with the boys but are able to crush almost all of them. Gender has nothing to do with the potential for skill.
There is no spoon
Desiderium
Profile Joined May 2011
Belgium29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 14:32:02
October 22 2011 14:26 GMT
#145
In my opinion, if they want to legitimize girl gamers and push for more widespread "acceptance" of them in the community, they should throw out these kind of cliché's like having a big over the top pink girly logo. I think events like this only serve to isolate female gamers more and make them feel marginalized.

On the other hand I also sympathize with them because looks are such a big deal for women in this community. A female equivalent of many of our current male progamers looks-wise would have been bullied out of the scene long ago, which is really unfair.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
October 22 2011 14:35 GMT
#146
sick prize pool :D
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
October 22 2011 14:42 GMT
#147
On October 22 2011 22:19 graniten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 21:39 xi Tempest x wrote:
They shouldn't separate guys and girls, everyone should play together... mabye do a few tournaments to get some girls into sc2, but after that... Don't make gender a requirment of playing in a tournament.

yes but no tourney would have girls then because they arent as good?


I disagree with that, SlayersEve, tossgirl, and cadenza have had pretty good results against decent players (whitera, super)
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
October 22 2011 15:08 GMT
#148
Hmm.. now that we have a tourney with a big cash prize for girls, can we have such a thing for other minorities, too?

I have to dedicate a lot of my time doing my PhD in biochemistry, so I cannot train the required amount to compete in high level tourneys. It also means that I could REALLY use the extra cash. Please do a post doc tourney, where the cash prize pool is 10k and you have present your PhD certificate before you can play.

Thx in advance!

+ Show Spoiler +

Well, it's a sad day for female gamers. I believe those 10k US$ would help the female gaming population more, if it sponsored a female gaming clan or went towards a female gaming house.
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
October 22 2011 15:10 GMT
#149
Oh.. and a question I was pondering in the last 'girl only event' thread.. maybe someone could answer it here..

"I just wonder (without any kind of hate - and it's sad that I have to even type this):
Are transgender girls (so the boy->girl kind) allowed to enter female only cups? I know, that such a person is banned from most competitive female only competitions - usually the athletic kind. To my knowledge, there is even a rudimentary test to spot women with an XY genotype even though they were never men, just because they unique hormonal situation gives them an edge over XX women."
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
October 22 2011 16:11 GMT
#150
Excellent! The female community has a massive amount of untapped talent, certainly enough to compete with the males. I look foward, not only to the great games, but also how the best of the best can measure up to the male pros.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Mafs
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada458 Posts
October 22 2011 16:17 GMT
#151
On October 22 2011 22:19 graniten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 21:39 xi Tempest x wrote:
They shouldn't separate guys and girls, everyone should play together... mabye do a few tournaments to get some girls into sc2, but after that... Don't make gender a requirment of playing in a tournament.

yes but no tourney would have girls then because they arent as good?

They aren't as good because they don't practice/become really good for whatever reason. Not because they are girls, but because they don't practice. If we have female only tournaments we should have male only tournaments. Most tourneys are already male only because there are no good females, but we allow them to apply and play. Its just they aren't good enough.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
October 22 2011 16:21 GMT
#152
As usual with female only tournaments, this is way unfair, but the thing that saddens me is that even in esports, males will always have the upper hand on females, no matter what.
o choro é livre
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
October 22 2011 16:23 GMT
#153
Time to get out my cross-dressing gear and practice child voices!
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:24:04
October 22 2011 16:23 GMT
#154
double post -:-
o choro é livre
RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
October 22 2011 16:30 GMT
#155
On October 23 2011 00:08 Thrombozyt wrote:
Hmm.. now that we have a tourney with a big cash prize for girls, can we have such a thing for other minorities, too?

I have to dedicate a lot of my time doing my PhD in biochemistry, so I cannot train the required amount to compete in high level tourneys. It also means that I could REALLY use the extra cash. Please do a post doc tourney, where the cash prize pool is 10k and you have present your PhD certificate before you can play.

Thx in advance!

+ Show Spoiler +

Well, it's a sad day for female gamers. I believe those 10k US$ would help the female gaming population more, if it sponsored a female gaming clan or went towards a female gaming house.


Lol, why such sarcasm? There's nothing wrong with big cash for lower level tournaments. The After Hours Gaming League was full of lower skilled players, who probably just didn't have time to train the required amount to compete in high level tourneys, because they were coding their ass off for their companies.

We all want to see high level play in tournaments, but you don't have to measure the value of everything based on skill level. Why are there bronze league tournaments? Because someone values encouraging competition within the very newest members of the gaming community. In this case, the value of the tournament is supposed to be encouraging female gamers to get seriously competitive.

I agree with the sentiment of-- why do we have to bash people over the head with cliched girlishness. That pink is obnoxious. However, best of luck to this tournament and the women who enter it. I hope they are all encouraged to become serious competitors in other tournaments as well.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 22 2011 16:39 GMT
#156
On October 22 2011 23:13 Shel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 14:37 Scrimpton wrote:
That's just... not true GertHeart you must know... you must know that just isn't true.

I can throw around random anecdotes that may or may not be fabricated too, but it certainly won't add anything useful to the thread.


A girl does something, she gets praised whether she did a good job or not, cos hey she's hot right?
A guy does something, he's a useless nobody unless he comes first in a very major event.


Must agree with Moskau too, the chance to shine is already there.

Female teams and creating infrastructure is really cool.

"I prefer to learn and train in a predominantly female environment" - Can't complain
"I want to have access to much easier money because i'm not male" - Annoys people

I hope you can see the difference between the two.



Especially in eSports. Megumi, a 1600 masters at best, plays all day long with Strifecro, Destiny, Major, Ret, and a number of others. She got work as an interviewer at IPL, getting flown out there and put up in a hotel. She regularly has 300-1000 viewers on her stream, depending on who is on it. She moves pros around like chess pieces, setting up show matches because she feels like watching two pros play each other. Why is she able to do all this? Because she has a webcam on her stream and is good looking.

Anna Prosser, zero gaming pedigree, no passion at all in her interviews, a bronze level understanding of the game, on stage in a tiny ass cocktail dress at IPL asking guys "how do you feel right now?" Why? Because she's good looking.

Seltzer, on stage doing these incredibly awkward interviews, acting in an aggressive manner, and making completely inappropriate comments to the players and casters. Does she lose her job? Nope, she's good looking.

Pretty girls in esports are put on pedestals. They're paraded around in their cocktail dresses at IPL3 or their tiny ass jeans at NASL (lindsey sporrer anyone?). They're used for publicity and to make the crowds tune in. But we're not talking about pretty girls here. We're talking about female gamers. And there should ALWAYS be a difference between the two, even if the gamer is pretty, like a tossgirl. When the sport starts using women who are players the same way they use women who are SC2 celebrities, the sport as a whole has failed it's female gamers. And don't tell me that there is a difference in male to female brains. Of course there is, but that has nothing to do with video game skill. The reason that men are "more successful" then women at video games is because men play these games at a ratio of like 200-1 versus women. And men start playing at a younger age. Exceptions, like my clan mate PMS Flo, who have been playing games competitively for years and years (she was a CS pro before she switched over to SC2) are not only able to keep up with the boys but are able to crush almost all of them. Gender has nothing to do with the potential for skill.


Lol this post is just full of petty jealously.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:54:12
October 22 2011 16:45 GMT
#157
Wow this is awesome! Zowie, you rock!

EDIT: I wish I could live to see the day when a female tournament can be announced without having a bunch of whiners complaining about it. Promoting female gaming can only have positive effects on the community. If you want to cry about it, go to one of the thousand other threads about the subject.
MrWhompWhomp
Profile Joined December 2010
United States26 Posts
October 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#158
On October 22 2011 23:13 Shel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 14:37 Scrimpton wrote:
That's just... not true GertHeart you must know... you must know that just isn't true.

I can throw around random anecdotes that may or may not be fabricated too, but it certainly won't add anything useful to the thread.


A girl does something, she gets praised whether she did a good job or not, cos hey she's hot right?
A guy does something, he's a useless nobody unless he comes first in a very major event.


Must agree with Moskau too, the chance to shine is already there.

Female teams and creating infrastructure is really cool.

"I prefer to learn and train in a predominantly female environment" - Can't complain
"I want to have access to much easier money because i'm not male" - Annoys people

I hope you can see the difference between the two.



Especially in eSports. Megumi, a 1600 masters at best, plays all day long with Strifecro, Destiny, Major, Ret, and a number of others. She got work as an interviewer at IPL, getting flown out there and put up in a hotel. She regularly has 300-1000 viewers on her stream, depending on who is on it. She moves pros around like chess pieces, setting up show matches because she feels like watching two pros play each other. Why is she able to do all this? Because she has a webcam on her stream and is good looking.

Anna Prosser, zero gaming pedigree, no passion at all in her interviews, a bronze level understanding of the game, on stage in a tiny ass cocktail dress at IPL asking guys "how do you feel right now?" Why? Because she's good looking.

Seltzer, on stage doing these incredibly awkward interviews, acting in an aggressive manner, and making completely inappropriate comments to the players and casters. Does she lose her job? Nope, she's good looking.

Pretty girls in esports are put on pedestals. They're paraded around in their cocktail dresses at IPL3 or their tiny ass jeans at NASL (lindsey sporrer anyone?). They're used for publicity and to make the crowds tune in. But we're not talking about pretty girls here. We're talking about female gamers. And there should ALWAYS be a difference between the two, even if the gamer is pretty, like a tossgirl. When the sport starts using women who are players the same way they use women who are SC2 celebrities, the sport as a whole has failed it's female gamers. And don't tell me that there is a difference in male to female brains. Of course there is, but that has nothing to do with video game skill. The reason that men are "more successful" then women at video games is because men play these games at a ratio of like 200-1 versus women. And men start playing at a younger age. Exceptions, like my clan mate PMS Flo, who have been playing games competitively for years and years (she was a CS pro before she switched over to SC2) are not only able to keep up with the boys but are able to crush almost all of them. Gender has nothing to do with the potential for skill.


Try gettin laid brah.

I think this is great, anything to get more females interested/playing the game is a positive.
Divide, Conquer, Pillage, Destroy
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 22 2011 16:55 GMT
#159
i got a zowie mouse fk yeah!
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
dolvlo
Profile Joined December 2010
United States99 Posts
October 22 2011 16:59 GMT
#160
I don't see why transwomen shouldn't be allowed to participate. It's not like starcraft 2 is a game that is dependent on muscle/athletic ability that steroids can unfairly improve.
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