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the Dagon Knight4006 Posts
On October 20 2011 01:26 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote:
Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
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You've already banned Joe Rogan once!?
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If that's not actually Joe Rogan... that was the most well-crafted troll I have ever seen in my life. It sounds completely like Joe Rogan talking. "Combat sports was my Starcraft" and talking about PRIDE... that has to be JR lol.
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On October 20 2011 01:26 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote:
Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
IP matches with previous banned user
Sigh, knew it was too good to be true. Whoever posted that obviously watches his podcasts though, to know about JR's previous experience with Quake etc.
Edit: If you check through the tweets sent between Duncan and Artosis you will see that neither of them mention TeamLiquid. Duncan however replied to another twitter user saying that he has been on this site before, but not very often.
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On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote:
Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
Lol I was listening to the podcast as I came across this thread. I heard the conversation on the podcast last week, I couldn't believe what I was hearing. For anyone who hasn't heard it yet, check out the Joe Rogan Experience podcast on iTunes. It's free and really interesting- very conversational but captivating at the same time.
I think it's awesome that Joe was willing to come on TL to talk about this. If he gets into SC2 I don't know what I'll do with myself. Imagine Joe Rogan as a commentator.
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On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote:
Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
These two sentences are why it's fake. Trying a little too hard, but nice try nonetheless.
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On October 19 2011 08:02 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I would also recommend people listen to the whole thing all the way through. These are some deep people, and they have some pretty cool stuff to say.
Agreed, this whole podcast was amazing. What's very neat to hear is how easily they transition from topic to topic. They started out just talking about the sponsor because it was just mentioned and had hardly a break in train of thought from there until the end.
I agree with Joe on the shared consciousness thing a lot more then with Duncan's ideas, though. It's great to hear people willing to just keep going on those mental tangents and what-ifs and be capable of discussion instead of being bound to one belief.
As for the SC2 section, I can see it going either way. While I agree that people who have never played are getting less out of it then people who have, I don't know if it's a requisite to enjoy watching at all. There are a number of conflicting examples that can be brought up, as Joe said, nobody really likes watching pool or golf if they've never played more then a game or so of them. But I love watching pros play nearly any active or highly competitive sport. If the complex nature of the game can be translated into a watchable form I think it has a chance to grow a lot, especially with how easy it is to pick it up and play compared to a lot of other sports (where you need to find scheduled practice times, not to mention a team to even get started)
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Rogan's observation for someone who hasn't played much starcraft (seemed to me like he has atleast tried it) is amazingly astute. Starcraft really does take over your life and to some extent eat away at your brain. I don't know know how many games I've relived in my dreams afters entire days of playing SC2. It's really cool that a game can be that involving, but it also scares the shit out of me and my productivity has really bottomed out since SC2 came out.
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There are definitely a lot of misconceptions about Rogan. Most of my friends either think he is "that douche from Fear Factor" or just the UFC commentator guy. In reality he is very open-minded, intelligent with interesting opinions and perspectives and of course funny (he is a comedian after all). I caught the first podcast they did in December 2009 live and I've been hooked ever since having watched/listened to practically everyone of them. Myriad of interesting guests (recently there has been Anthony Bourdain, Graham Hancock, Kevin Smith, and Duncan Trussell among others) where there are really no boundaries of where the discussion goes.
He was a hardcore Quake III player back in the late 90s when he was on News Radio, so he knows about competitive gaming, but he is certainly out of the loop of how far eSports has progressed since those days. It would be cool if he learned just a fraction about the current scene and game as I'm sure his conversations with Duncan would be epic.
If this Duncan Trussell podcast piqued anyone's interest you can find his podcast on iTunes of course or at this archive here.
Also, he has his own message board that he has been running for over a decade http://forums.joerogan.net
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Someone should send Joe Rogan a VOD of Chill vs Combat-Ex xD
Sold me.
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On October 20 2011 01:26 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 18:38 JoeRogan wrote:
Hey everyone,
Heard of this website from Duncan who heard from another guy named Dan from one of his Twitter replies. For those who don't know me, I am currently a commentator for the UFC and also a comedian, and host a podcast where I talk with friends about random topics.
In the most recent episode, Duncan Trussell, a good friend of mine and huge Starcraft fan, brought up the game during the discussion. If any of you have been following my podcasts and know my history with video games, you would know that I was an avid Quake player (probably played too much and was addicted), so I am a little familiar with the Quake scene in competitive video games.
I've read some of the reactions in this thread and hope that I could clear some things up. I wasn't trying to be dismissive or belittling of Starcraft or competitive video games in general because I know that's where MMA used to be. In my life, combat sports were my Starcraft. I felt the same way about people's perception of MMA during the early UFC days and PRIDE. Part of my reaction to Duncan's explanation for his fascination with Starcraft were because of my ignorance with the game and the community, and I'm not too proud to say that. I decided to spend an hour or two watching some games of Starcraft, specifically MLG as recommended by Duncan, and am amazed how different, or rather, how much bigger the people behind Esports has gotten since the Quake days. It has changed my view on how passionate and attractive video games can be in the form of being a watchable sport, and am excited to see where this thing goes in the future.
Lastly, I may start playing to learn a little more about the game to appreciate the difficulty and nuances of the game, and am leaning towards Zerg since Duncan tells me they're the hardest race to play. Next time Duncan comes on the podcast we'll talk more about Starcraft and my new experiences and views on the game.
IP matches with previous banned user
Well, that's less than ideal. 
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On October 19 2011 07:56 firalol wrote:
Soccer in the USA is still barely accepted, the only way to watch it is on the extra pay channels like fox soccer or gol tv. So as for starcraft going main stream? It's possible but if the biggest game in the world can't gain ground in the USA what chance does a video game have?
Soccer is on ESPN all the time. What are you on about?
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I'm sure Joe Rogan would agree with me that the main thing holding SC2 back from more mainstream popularity is Carlos Mencia mindlessly stealing everyone's builds. Discuss.
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France1920 Posts
Good find, fun to watch. =)
But actually Joe Rogan doesn't really gives a fuck about SC2. Duncan Trussel is the man!
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god i was trolled hard i guess
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very awesome def gonna have to watch this later
Joe Rogan is the man
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On October 20 2011 04:14 Flaccid wrote:
I'm sure Joe Rogan would agree with me that the main thing holding SC2 back from more mainstream popularity is Carlos Mencia mindlessly stealing everyone's builds. Discuss.
this interjection needs more appreciation.
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On October 19 2011 11:16 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 10:41 SpoR wrote:On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote:
I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird. Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players. And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it. Are you calling golf not mainstream? Its pretty fucking mainstream dude. And no, you don't need to play any of those or sc2 to enjoy it. You just need to understand it. You can understand it just by spectating. I've never played competitive football, but I understand the spread offense and a tampa 2 defense just from spectating. Same holds true for sc2 and any other sport. I never did any mma stuff, but understand it from watching. Do I have the best undersstanding? No, but enough to enjoy it a lot. Look, sc2 is really complex, but it doesn't need to be explained at a such complex level for new people to find it entertaining. Basically you build up an army and kill your opponent. Explain it at such a basic level and as their interest grows, so will their knowledge of the game. And with sc2, its a visually appealing game. That's huge in attracting viewers. Competition itself is a natural draw. Its entertaining and has natural drama. That's why sports are entertaining. We like watching the best compete.
All those things are on TV on multiple channels. They are all 'mainstream' but I do not give a fuck about wrestling, pool, or golf even though I've played them before (and understand them).
And I already said you need to play it or understand it, you are reiterating my points.
What are you trying to say? That sc2 WILL be as big as team sports? Never gonna happen. At best it will be like poker or golf or some shit no one cares about, like I said.
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New Zealand1176 Posts
Fuck these guys are awesome to watch! They talk about the coolest shit, I havent even gotten up to the Starcraft bit yet!
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Been watching his show for a long time now. All of the "podcasts" are actually done over ustream recorded live and archived there.
http://www.ustream.tv/user/Joe_Rogan
Honestly, they are all awesome, but here are some that I recommend personally.
Firstly, any and all podcasts containing these guests are the best IMO
-Joey Diaz
-Duncan Trussell
-Ari Shaffir
- Bert "THE MACHINE" Kreicher
I'm sure I missed one of his regular guests here, regardless all the episodes are awesome.
But as far as people who have not been on regularly, some must watch ones are
A 4hr podcast of awesomeness with the guest being Kevin Smith
As well, Anthony Bourdain is a awesome one. Didn't realize how cool he actually is.
And he did one with Bas Rutten, a must see for all MMA fans. And still as awesome if you aren't.
Enjoy peeps, I have been for awhile now and look forward to these more than any show I can think of TBH
- Experience enhanced greatly with copious amounts of marijuana.
Just saw on twitter, a podcast is about to go live in another 1.5hrs from now (starting at 7pm Pacific)
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On October 20 2011 05:31 SpoR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 11:16 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 19 2011 10:41 SpoR wrote:On October 19 2011 09:50 EtohEtoh wrote:
I like how the guy on the right says to the guy on the left says " are you sponsored by blizzard?", then stands up a bit, and you see he's wearing a blizzard shirt yea wtf, that guy had like no clue at all about sc2 as well. So weird. Anyone who is too lazy to listen to it all. Its basically just some really noob guy who is really enthusiastic about sc2 and esports trying to explain it to Joe and the other dude. Then joe goes on to make the analogy of how no one gives a fuck about watching pool unless they play it in the same way as SC2 (especially since its infinitely more complex and hard to understand). And the only reason why other team sports are so much more popular is that even if you dont play it and understand the game you can still respect the athletism etc of professional players. And that is exactly why Esports and sc2 will never be mainstream. Because you can make the same analogy about golf, chess, poker, wrestling, etc. No one gives a shit unless they play it themselves and understands it. Are you calling golf not mainstream? Its pretty fucking mainstream dude. And no, you don't need to play any of those or sc2 to enjoy it. You just need to understand it. You can understand it just by spectating. I've never played competitive football, but I understand the spread offense and a tampa 2 defense just from spectating. Same holds true for sc2 and any other sport. I never did any mma stuff, but understand it from watching. Do I have the best undersstanding? No, but enough to enjoy it a lot. Look, sc2 is really complex, but it doesn't need to be explained at a such complex level for new people to find it entertaining. Basically you build up an army and kill your opponent. Explain it at such a basic level and as their interest grows, so will their knowledge of the game. And with sc2, its a visually appealing game. That's huge in attracting viewers. Competition itself is a natural draw. Its entertaining and has natural drama. That's why sports are entertaining. We like watching the best compete. All those things are on TV on multiple channels. They are all 'mainstream' but I do not give a fuck about wrestling, pool, or golf even though I've played them before (and understand them). And I already said you need to play it or understand it, you are reiterating my points. What are you trying to say? That sc2 WILL be as big as team sports? Never gonna happen. At best it will be like poker or golf or some shit no one cares about, like I said.
You didn't say you need to play it or understand it, you said you need to play it and understand it implying you need to both, rather than one or the other. Just a intercommunication there.
And now you call those things mainstream after calling them not mainstream. I dont get what you are trying to say. You yourself not caring about them doesn't matter, its that they are mainstream.
You don't need to be as big as team sports to be mainstream. Of course esports wont be as big as team sports, I never was trying to say that. But I was saying that its capable of being mainstream.
And people care about golf quite a bit. Not sure why you think they don't. When stuff gets broadcast on major networks each weekend during the season, its pretty obvious people care about it. If sc2 got as big as golf, that would be fucking amazing.
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