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DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
October 17 2011 03:57 GMT
#41
So bad that they are still using the double elimination format + extended series for the main event The finals are always an anticlimax where it is almost impossible for the player coming from the loser brackets to win if they two players have faced each other earlier. Just look at the Huk vs MC finals at Orlando. :/
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 17 2011 03:58 GMT
#42
drg is on the same level as bomber. boxer and puma are really not, especially boxer.

if bomber plays smarter he's probably top 3 player in the world.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
October 17 2011 03:58 GMT
#43
On October 17 2011 12:55 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 12:52 -_- wrote:
Motbob I'm just curious: Order is determined by "Starcraft 2 Pro Status Rankings, Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points, and Starcraft 2 Online Qualifier Rank Points."

Does this mean that order is first determined by pro status rankings, then by pro circuit rank points, and then by online qualifier rank points?

Then pro status rankings is defined as "The top 16 Players, determined by Starcraft 2 Pro Circuit Rank Points immediately following each Pro Circuit Competition" plus the tiebreaker rule for recent performance.

This is really confusing to me. They incorporate the pro circuit rank points into the definition of pro status rankings, yet say pro circuit rankings are how order is determined, with pro circuit rank points as the tiebreaker if pro status rankings.

The way I understand it

1) Points determine seed, if there's a tie.
2) Recent performance controls, if there's a tie.
3) Online points control.

However, because of the way they define all the terms, I feel I'm missing a nuance and its really bothering me.

mmm I think the idea is that the top 16 players have "pro status", but people below the top 16 also need to be ranked. For example, in the open bracket for Providence, people are ranked from 1-256. No one has pro status, since everyone with pro status is seeded, so the ranking passes down to Rank Points and Online Points if necessary.

Does that answer your question?



Yes it does! Thank you very much!
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
October 17 2011 03:59 GMT
#44
So is it still pool play like do you have to play in the tourney for ur spot to be seeded within your pool or are you just stuck in the bracket from previous ranking? Also will this result in less over all games or will of the open bracket games be commentated?
Sliver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States402 Posts
October 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#45
It's about time Incontrol was taken out of the pool. It's a testament to the terrible-ness of the MLG system that he remained in for so long after winning literally no series. Can't wait for Providence.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
October 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#46
On October 17 2011 12:57 DrainX wrote:
So bad that they are still using the double elimination format + extended series for the main event The finals are always an anticlimax where it is almost impossible for the player coming from the loser brackets to win if they two players have faced each other earlier. Just look at the Huk vs MC finals at Orlando. :/

Staying away from whether i am for or against extended series etc; i really thought MLG would do something to fix the anticlimactic situation with all of their finals. Anything short of an astounding miracle, and the finals are relegated to boredom.

One Bo3 to cash in for the top 4 seeds - that is impressive; granted it won't be the easiest of games, but their schedule is a lot more forgiving.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 17 2011 04:01 GMT
#47
On October 17 2011 12:56 Ansalem wrote:
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On October 17 2011 12:52 DoomsVille wrote:
Lolololol Poor IdrA.

The #1 seed literally has the 3 worst players behind him. Bomber/MC/Rain is by far far far far more difficult than what any of the other top seeds have.


Even so he only has to play the one who makes it through. So it could be...who knows, just as examples Bomber, where as other top 4 seeds will have DRG, Boxer, and Puma respectively. That's not as terrible a comparison.


Yeah, too bad the best one making it through is likely to destroy idra. I'd much rather have skipped this MLG like naniwa (I think he was the #1 seed prior to the event) and be #3 now and have the easy line if you can call it that. I feel like his line or huks has the "weakest" players. None of these players are weak obviously, but I'd rather play Select or Kiwikaki before DRG or Bomber any day if I was hoping to win fifty grand.

Plus if Idra loses then he'll likely be playing one of those powerhouses in the losers bracket unless they shift them around in the lower bracket.
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bounca
Profile Joined June 2011
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 04:01:40
October 17 2011 04:01 GMT
#48
i hope none of the koreans decide to not go to this event
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
October 17 2011 04:02 GMT
#49
On October 17 2011 12:59 CajunMan wrote:
So is it still pool play like do you have to play in the tourney for ur spot to be seeded within your pool or are you just stuck in the bracket from previous ranking? Also will this result in less over all games or will of the open bracket games be commentated?

No pools in Providence.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 17 2011 04:04 GMT
#50
On October 17 2011 12:59 CajunMan wrote:
So is it still pool play like do you have to play in the tourney for ur spot to be seeded within your pool or are you just stuck in the bracket from previous ranking? Also will this result in less over all games or will of the open bracket games be commentated?


The open bracket has to finish (top 4 get into the upper bracket) before the upper bracket can be started so I'd assume they'll be commentating games from the open bracket. If they aren't they probably can't broadcast anything on the first day unless they do some showmatchs to replace the pool play which won't be at this MLG.
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jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 17 2011 04:05 GMT
#51
not too surprised with the seeds cept thought puma would be higher.
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Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
October 17 2011 04:05 GMT
#52
Wait... so IdrA will most likely have to play MC again? Holy shit, what awful luck for him (even though everyone else seems to be able to crush MC)
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 17 2011 04:05 GMT
#53
On October 17 2011 13:02 Wren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 12:59 CajunMan wrote:
So is it still pool play like do you have to play in the tourney for ur spot to be seeded within your pool or are you just stuck in the bracket from previous ranking? Also will this result in less over all games or will of the open bracket games be commentated?

No pools in Providence.


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Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
October 17 2011 04:07 GMT
#54
On October 17 2011 12:44 Lunares wrote:
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On October 17 2011 12:39 Fubi wrote:
Wheres MVP?


MVP only played in one event and is therefore not in the top 16 points wise.

My question, do we know the BoX format here? Is just like all the other MLG events where it's Bo3 all the way through, except for extended series? I would assume it's that way.

Wait, so winning one event isn't worth more points than someone that went 0-6'd in like 6 events consecutively? My mind just imploded!
AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
October 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#55
this format seems really strange... the top seeded players have such a big advantage its unbelievable...
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alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
October 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#56
How much prize money are the top 4 seeds guaranteed, since even if they lose both games they seem to end up very high in the rankings...
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 04:11:12
October 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#57
I want to point out a rather obvious weakness in this format, compared to previous MLGs, in terms of viewership:

Less group play means less games to watch from top players.

Imagine if you were an IdrA fan, for example, and you wanted to watch IdrA play. Providence's format ensures that you won't see him play until probably the second or third day of the event - after the rest of the player base has been slogging it out for days.

Moreover, you might only see two, or even one, Bo3 from your favorite player. The LB match might not even be cast, but even if it is, it's a minimum of two Bo3s compared to the half a dozen Bo3s you'll get from a normal MLG.

It also ensures that we'll have to watch nearly the entire OB before the championship bracket even starts. This means a possibility of bad games (as you can't guarantee the quality of the OB) all the way through the mid-tournament, until we reach the last few rounds of the OB. It also means a minimal number of games from the players in the championship bracket - who are probably the players the audience want to watch the most.

Thus, while I feel that this format is great for the seeded players (though not necessarily for the #1 seed, if it is really going to be that stacked at the top half of the bracket), I do not envision it being as good for the viewers, and am interested in how MLG is going to handle viewership for Providence.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
October 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#58
On October 17 2011 13:07 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 12:44 Lunares wrote:
On October 17 2011 12:39 Fubi wrote:
Wheres MVP?


MVP only played in one event and is therefore not in the top 16 points wise.

My question, do we know the BoX format here? Is just like all the other MLG events where it's Bo3 all the way through, except for extended series? I would assume it's that way.

Wait, so winning one event isn't worth more points than someone that went 0-6'd in like 6 events consecutively? My mind just imploded!

Someone in pools who were to go 0-6 at all 5 events this year would get 300 points. The winner of an event gets 1200 points. So, no.
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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
October 17 2011 04:11 GMT
#59
I love the advantage given to the higher seeded players. Given the prize pool structure, and how MLG puts all their eggs into the providence basket, its only makes perfect sense to me to reward the fuck out of those who continually put up results over the season.

I just pray we get a true Bo7 finals.
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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
October 17 2011 04:11 GMT
#60
On October 17 2011 12:21 CEPEHDREI wrote:
so everything is still bo3? come on MLG y u no learning?

the bomber/mc/idra bracket gonna be fun.


Do people still not get this?

In a double elim tournament (which MLG is pretty much the only one) it would be unfair for the grand finals to have more games to win a set then the rest of the tournament for the person coming from the losers bracket.

If it's extended, how can you extended a previous bo3 into bo5/bo7? You can't.

If they haven't met up, the winner bracket champion only has to win one bo5/bo7, only 1-2 extra games. The loser bracket champion would have to win TWO sets of these. That's a huge amount of games they have to win, plus there are obvious time constraints.
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