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Yeah, it'd be great if I could come to TL.net and see FRUITDEALER WINS FIRST EVER GLOBAL SC2 TOURNAMENT! when it happens.
It builds hype, it gets people riled up and it's actually.....you know..........news.
The way it is now, it's like nothing ever happens. I would have to dig around to realize, oh, a big tournament went down and Idra won it. There's no hype. There's no news and it seems like nothing had happened. There's nothing to be excited about. If Esports wants to grow to where other sports are today, get rid of the ZOMG SPOILERS attitude and embrace up-to-date news about your favorite players winning your favorite tournament on the front page.
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Spoilers should wait exactly one day for timezones and because it's a community site imo.
If you can't make time out to watch after that, too bad.
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On December 19 2011 00:49 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 00:43 Fealthas wrote:
I dont have time to watch all the games. I would be happy if a big sign saying "___insert player here__" won this and that kept me up to date. No need for a sign, here's a page one click from any page on teamliquid.net. It's on the bottom right under the Liquipedia box. If you want info on smaller tournaments, you can go here. Here's an image if you still cant find the links: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sUqIu.jpg)
I never knew that excisted and I've been here a year -.-
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On December 19 2011 00:50 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Yeah, it'd be great if I could come to TL.net and see FRUITDEALER WINS FIRST EVER GLOBAL SC2 TOURNAMENT! when it happens.
It builds hype, it gets people riled up and it's actually.....you know..........news.
The way it is now, it's like nothing ever happens. I would have to dig around to realize, oh, a big tournament went down and Idra won it. There's no hype. There's no news and it seems like nothing had happened. There's nothing to be excited about. If Esports wants to grow to where other sports are today, get rid of the ZOMG SPOILERS attitude and embrace up-to-date news about your favorite players winning your favorite tournament on the front page.
Sounds like what you want is GosuGamers. ESFI and /r/starcraft are also great sites for starcraft news delivered in a different way than TL's community driven style.
On December 19 2011 00:54 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 00:49 xBillehx wrote:On December 19 2011 00:43 Fealthas wrote:
I dont have time to watch all the games. I would be happy if a big sign saying "___insert player here__" won this and that kept me up to date. No need for a sign, here's a page one click from any page on teamliquid.net. It's on the bottom right under the Liquipedia box. If you want info on smaller tournaments, you can go here. Here's an image if you still cant find the links: I never knew that excisted and I've been here a year -.-
I've heard that a lot in this thread. :\ Maybe it needs to be bigger? haha
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On December 19 2011 00:50 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
Yeah, it'd be great if I could come to TL.net and see FRUITDEALER WINS FIRST EVER GLOBAL SC2 TOURNAMENT! when it happens.
It builds hype, it gets people riled up and it's actually.....you know..........news.
The way it is now, it's like nothing ever happens. I would have to dig around to realize, oh, a big tournament went down and Idra won it. There's no hype. There's no news and it seems like nothing had happened. There's nothing to be excited about. If Esports wants to grow to where other sports are today, get rid of the ZOMG SPOILERS attitude and embrace up-to-date news about your favorite players winning your favorite tournament on the front page.
I would love to explain for the umpteenth time how the lack of news articles isn't related to spoilers but if you don't get it at this point I feel it would just be a waste of time, so I won't.
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Isn't it feasible for there to be 2 front pages? Could there be an option that users put on their profile saying "no spoiler news" so most of us would get the HERO WINS DREAMHACK!! awesomeness and then those users who don't like it just get to see wrap-ups/previews/other stuff?
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They should have spoiled results articles the day after the event on the front page, but have spoiler free titles, so people who don't want to be spoiled won't open the link, but people who watched it can read it and be excited.
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Should always be huge headlines with ubertspoilers whenever there has been a tournament! I don't know why it's so hard to not visit TL/Reddit etc until you've watched the games. So silly.
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I do not get the spoiler thing. If I really want to watch a game after it has been played, I will definitely not go and check pages that could potentially show the result. This whole spoiler thing should be abandoned, at least on a message board like this where people discuss the games etc.
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i've always wondered about this. makes the e-sports scene look infantile and nerdy.
abandon your scheme, please. you miss a LOT potential
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It's clear by now that TL admins don't care what the community thinks about this issue, because with such an overwhelming positive response about removing the spoilers that plague this site, everything is the same, and so it appears it will be in the near future. I'll just be hoping some good competition comes along for TL. Monopolies are never good. Was there more competition, for sure they wouldn't be doing this.
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On December 19 2011 06:24 Apolo wrote:
It's clear by now that TL admins don't care what the community thinks about this issue, because with such an overwhelming positive response about removing the spoilers that plague this site, everything is the same, and so it appears it will be in the near future. I'll just be hoping some good competition comes along for TL. Monopolies are never good. Was there more competition, for sure they wouldn't be doing this.
Yea, the admins don't care except for the fact that it lists in their 10 commandments that posting spoiler titles is against their rules right?
Teamliquid is not only about tournament results. It's about Starcraft.Some people would like to read about Starcraft without getting spoiled on tournaments they might watch in the future, but haven't gotten the time to do so yet. Is that so hard to understand and to be considerate of your fellow nerd?
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IMO just grow up and stop this nonsense. Users who put actual spoilers, without the tag are already either warned or banned, so stop acting like a children 'we need another version of TL!' or 'OMG I got spoiled, what I'm gonna do nowwwww' - it's beyond how you can actually cry over something like that. And about the delay in write-ups - it would MUCH better to actually throw some simple news that will build the hype and write the actual article in the meantime. I would really enjoy animated bar with the small news and results just like in the news channels.
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you don't go on a forum or news site to avoid spoilers. you go to them to find out what the fuck just happened.
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I think the premier sc2 tournaments link and page it links to is a great idea! Thanks for pointing that out. It really should be bigger as I'd have been checking it a lot over the past year and a half. I can't follow every tournament but I do want to know who won.
On topic though, I'm really surprised by how many people don't care about spoilers, not just on this site but in general. I really like the excitement of not knowing who's going to win a competition and seeing it play out without that knowledge. If TL started posting spoilers across the front of the website, I'd simply avoid it until I had already seen the games I wanted to see (typically GSL games). I don't know how many people are like me in that regard but that could be a good reason to not post them.
Basically, if I'm watching a game to be entertained, I want to be as entertained as possible (which means I don't want to know who wins so I can enjoy that aspect of entertainment). If I'm watching a game strictly to learn, it doesn't matter if I know the outcome (in fact I want to know it), but in that case HYPE doesn't matter in the slightest. So for me, hype really only matters leading up to a match. After that, if I want the hype to continue, I'll find the thread on it and talk about how awesome the games were, but I certainly don't need a website telling me to be excited about the outcome.
I also don't watch previews for upcoming shows. I want to know nothing about it until it's time to watch, then let it all unfold brand new.
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If you had vods easily accessible in other sports and the tradition of being able to watch everything that is going on in the competitive scene, you bet that the other sports would have "spoiler fear" as well.
I have nothing against spoilers, as long as you give me an option to browse around it somehow. For example, I will not be able to watch the homestorycup live, however I do have the intention of catching up with everything that happens there when I come back from my vacation. And I would appreciate not knowing the results till I find out myself.
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What's with you people consistently citing the TL.net Ten Commandments? You realize a rule is not a rule so long as the person(s) who set forth the rule is in fact not abiding by it themselves, right?
Look at the TLPro side bar and see how many spoilers you see in the titles. And the funny part is I don't see any of you whining about it, only in the SC2 forums, where guess what, the exact same things are going to be talked about.
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Hide tournament result news on main page? yes/no
problem solved!
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I'd rather have results on the main page too.
My philosophy is that if you don't want to get spoiled you should just not go to TL. Protecting people from getting spoiled also has the drawback that people just looking for results need to click more just to see what happened. Sometimes I just check TL on my mobile to quickly see who did what in GSL but i need to navigate to endless spoiler buttons in a LR thread just to see it.
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