[October] SC2 General Discussion - Page 9

On October 25 2011 08:59 Probe1 wrote:
Yes he'd be more than welcome to come back. He could never participate in the GSL, almost all brood war fans would shun and despise him (as well as many players and other people involved with brood war) and at best, he could live a life constantly shadowed by the taint of the largest scandal in starcraft, if not esports.

but yes, theoretically he COULD if a team was desperate or unethical enough to sign him. And perhaps he could find tournament work by being the tournaments edge-

"Hey look who we have, saviOr! We're so damn different you have to tune in, no one else would do this!"

but of course with that comes the complete loss of respect for that tournament as time goes on.

Savior did worse than cheat. Every flippant remark about saviOr coming back is an insult on yourself. To make this statement adhere to internet standards I will conclude with: Hitler.

The Match Fixing Scandal was an incident in which Korean pro players illegally fixed and bet on professional Starcraft matches. The players were approached by online betting websites and agreed to throw games for financial gain, either from the money the websites paid them, or by betting against themselves. These activities are strictly illegal under Korean law. The 11 players involved were banned from professional gaming, and some of them face criminal charges and the possibility of jail time.

On October 25 2011 14:00 Probe1 wrote:
He colluded with Korean mobsters to fix professional brood war matches to rig bets.

To quote Liquipedia directly:


Setting aside the crisis that he very literally could have destroyed all credibility of esports, hundreds of people lost thousands of dollars etting on fixed matches. saviOr was one of the most loved progamers of all time. Imagine if Nestea was caught rigging blizzcon. No, imagine Nestea won blizzcon and over half of all tournaments he entered. Imagine he takes home 6 GSL championships for two years straight. Then he goes into a slump. His fans would be as die hard as they come. Every game they would cheer, love him and pray (even the atheists) that he would win and regain that magic he used to have).

Then it came to light that he was rigging matches. Worse- he was a broker for others to rig matches. The years of come back hopes and dreams of hundreds if not thousands of fans were fraudulent.

saviOr spit in the face of people that loved him. Remember his glory but curse his name.

So, comparing someone to saviOr, unless your context is extremely clear (His play was as brilliant as saviOr in 2006 for example); It is an egregious insult to compare someone to saviOr. Hearing he is playing amateur brood war on Afreeca or playing SC2 is undeniably interesting but if he were to return to progaming under a loophole: His fans would have to have no memory, no brains or the biggest hearts in the world.



Convicted progamers:
By.1st DarkElf go.go Hwasin Justin Luxury sAviOr ShinHwA type-b UpMaGiC, YellOw(ArnC) (NOTE: Not the Yellow that plays SC2)

On October 25 2011 14:00 Probe1 wrote:
He colluded with Korean mobsters to fix professional brood war matches to rig bets.

To quote Liquipedia directly:


Setting aside the crisis that he very literally could have destroyed all credibility of esports, hundreds of people lost thousands of dollars etting on fixed matches. saviOr was one of the most loved progamers of all time. Imagine if Nestea was caught rigging blizzcon. No, imagine Nestea won blizzcon and over half of all tournaments he entered. Imagine he takes home 6 GSL championships for two years straight. Then he goes into a slump. His fans would be as die hard as they come. Every game they would cheer, love him and pray (even the atheists) that he would win and regain that magic he used to have).

Then it came to light that he was rigging matches. Worse- he was a broker for others to rig matches. The years of come back hopes and dreams of hundreds if not thousands of fans were fraudulent.

saviOr spit in the face of people that loved him. Remember his glory but curse his name.

So, comparing someone to saviOr, unless your context is extremely clear (His play was as brilliant as saviOr in 2006 for example); It is an egregious insult to compare someone to saviOr. Hearing he is playing amateur brood war on Afreeca or playing SC2 is undeniably interesting but if he were to return to progaming under a loophole: His fans would have to have no memory, no brains or the biggest hearts in the world.



Convicted progamers:
By.1st DarkElf go.go Hwasin Justin Luxury sAviOr ShinHwA type-b UpMaGiC, YellOw(ArnC) (NOTE: Not the Yellow that plays SC2)

On October 25 2011 22:35 Denzil wrote:
How do Zergs feel about using Spine Crawlers and Spore crawlers to push against Protoss and other Zergs?

I've been using it a bit against Protoss that depend heavily on air units, creating a creep highway and parking spines and spores outside their base / attacking their outside wall off while i start trading my army for his to create a more cost effective trade and unless they've straight rushed colossus / got a fair few immortals they generally cock up a response to it.

(diamond for what it's worth)

On October 26 2011 01:19 Blazinghand wrote:


I remember in.. GSL3, I think, IdrA used a strategy like this that came to colloquially be known as "Giraffe Migration". This would be in Group D, Ro64, Idra v Choa game 2 on Steppes of War. He + Show Spoiler [if you haven't seen GSL3 for som…] +

He didn't use Spore Crawlers, but the idea is similar. Especially against Forge Fast Expand, which has trouble moving out and being aggressive, a quick lair for creep drop and spinecrawler pushing was also used by NesTea in this game http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/vod/65228 + Show Spoiler +.

You'll note that the normal support for overlord/spinecrawler is hydralisk due to the synergy with creep spread and the somewhat more mobile anti-air.

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On October 26 2011 00:39 SDream wrote:
Blizzcon replays are finally online:

http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/tournaments/matches/sc2/video-archive