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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
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EvolvedQS
United States10 Posts
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Beauwinkkle
United States2 Posts
On November 03 2011 20:26 Cillas wrote: is there a 1 1 1 counter build for protoss yet? Really, if you get any tech up you should be fine. For me, the most important thing is to get an early expo so that you can get your economy up. I don't like nexus first builds on any map but alter, but for every other map, especially xel naga, where I seem to get 1 1 1ed every match, a 1 gate expo should hold ezpz. Once you crono about 4 sentries to hold off any early pressure, send your first stalker up to his ramp. If he has a bunker or no marauders yet, or any of those other signs of a 1 1 1, get some tech. I've heard that phoenix and colossus are both good, but i've had little to no success with either. What I like to do is either get a robo and then 3 more gates (so you have 4 total), and then crono out immortals. If he does the standard 1 1 1, you should have 2 or 3 immortals when he hits. then throw up guardian shields and force fields and just make sure to target tanks with immortals. I like going robo, because with the early scout you can't actually tell whether he's going 1 1 1 or 2 port banshee, or some thor build, or any other bs all in. Robo is super safe, since you can get out an obs for scouting, and against cloakshees. I've also had success with blink stalkers, but you have to use blink well and pick off pieces of the army as he is coming. Have all your stalkers at the xel naga tower, and then kite back with blink. If you dont do too much damage with this, just blinking in a targeting tanks probably wont be enough for you. Lastly, you could be a boss and rush mothership, and if you do it right, it will pop right before the army hits. For this build, do a one gate, no expo, super fast double gas, and then build only zealots until you start the mothership. After that, throw down 4 more gates and pump units until the ship pops. When it does, either hold off his 1 1 1 or go into the back and mass recall in your army with 2 probes for pylons. EZ win. Seriously, use this build while you still can. | ||
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whitefluff
United States22 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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whitefluff
United States22 Posts
Firstly, I was just wondering if anyone has insight on why blizzard chose to reveal HOTS so soon? It seems to me like WoL still isn't even finished being worked through, yet they already reveal potential HOTS changes. But mostly (same question) I am curious as to blizzards balance approach. How exactly do they come up with these... ideas? The second question is more simple. When professionals sit down and practice for 8 hours, what do they do? How much of their time is dedicated to build orders, replay analysis, ladder (if any), etc. etc. Curious because I've recently starting practicing a lot. | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
On November 05 2011 10:22 whitefluff wrote: Well I have two questions. Firstly, I was just wondering if anyone has insight on why blizzard chose to reveal HOTS so soon? It seems to me like WoL still isn't even finished being worked through, yet they already reveal potential HOTS changes. But mostly (same question) I am curious as to blizzards balance approach. How exactly do they come up with these... ideas? The second question is more simple. When professionals sit down and practice for 8 hours, what do they do? How much of their time is dedicated to build orders, replay analysis, ladder (if any), etc. etc. Curious because I've recently starting practicing a lot. 1. I'm wondering the same thing. I think it's too early to move on from WoL. As to the balance, I remember Dustin Browder saying that the game is so perfectly balanced right now that if they tried to add anything, they wouldn't change anything. Thus, they are taking a risk with hots and having a beta, to see how the metagame works out. I hope i understood your question correctly. 2. It really depends. If they're generally practicing, they might ladder some, or play with teammates. If they're practicing for a specific game, they will probably focus down on a certain thing (like if they have GSL coming up they would probably practice more vs Terran...). | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Stemkoski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_"Tasteless"_Plott :/ | ||
bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
On November 05 2011 10:51 PopcornColonel wrote: 1. I'm wondering the same thing. I think it's too early to move on from WoL. As to the balance, I remember Dustin Browder saying that the game is so perfectly balanced right now that if they tried to add anything, they wouldn't change anything. Thus, they are taking a risk with hots and having a beta, to see how the metagame works out. I hope i understood your question correctly. 2. It really depends. If they're generally practicing, they might ladder some, or play with teammates. If they're practicing for a specific game, they will probably focus down on a certain thing (like if they have GSL coming up they would probably practice more vs Terran...). Dusty has been wrong before | ||
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Sugarfree
Croatia11 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
As for the Hots reveal, it was blizzcon where they give infos on their games that are in development. And their first plan was to have 6 month between the parts. (multiplayer would have stayed the same though). Anyway revealing alpha informations is quiet normal nowadays. And we knew they would release HotS in around 2 years after the wol release. But yeah HotS is still alpha, so you can see the direction in which they are going not more. And just like with any expansion, they look if something is missing somewhere and add something to fill the holes. (BW was just one giant hole filler unit wise). And WoL is pretty balanced, there are a few edges still, but its mostly one race having to do less then the other. | ||
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PlosionCornu
Italy814 Posts
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
On November 06 2011 06:31 FeyFey wrote: well the first plan was to release a collectors for every game of the trilogy, now with the 2 parts changed to mods (they remove units in mp so they don't get the expansion status from me). Also the thors model was disliked a lil with the worker repair. But the chances are still quiet good that we get a CE . As for the Hots reveal, it was blizzcon where they give infos on their games that are in development. And their first plan was to have 6 month between the parts. (multiplayer would have stayed the same though). Anyway revealing alpha informations is quiet normal nowadays. And we knew they would release HotS in around 2 years after the wol release. But yeah HotS is still alpha, so you can see the direction in which they are going not more. And just like with any expansion, they look if something is missing somewhere and add something to fill the holes. (BW was just one giant hole filler unit wise). And WoL is pretty balanced, there are a few edges still, but its mostly one race having to do less then the other. LOL, that is hella petty. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On November 05 2011 10:51 PopcornColonel wrote: 1. I'm wondering the same thing. I think it's too early to move on from WoL. As to the balance, I remember Dustin Browder saying that the game is so perfectly balanced right now that if they tried to add anything, they wouldn't change anything. Thus, they are taking a risk with hots and having a beta, to see how the metagame works out. I hope i understood your question correctly. 2. It really depends. If they're generally practicing, they might ladder some, or play with teammates. If they're practicing for a specific game, they will probably focus down on a certain thing (like if they have GSL coming up they would probably practice more vs Terran...). what does it matter how balanced WoL is when HoTS comes out. all the major tournaments are going to switch and then were back to square one in terms of balance. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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