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On October 09 2011 18:28 MrSexington wrote:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100426193651AA03WpBFirst of all, I don't speak Korean. But from what I understand (and from what Korean speakers have said in threads) the "ㄹ" character is kind of a combination of R and L. You roll the "R" and lead it into the L. The English alphabet doesn't have a character that depicts it exactly. So when Ryung's name was translated into English, it got turned into an R for the spelling. (I think Tasteless' pronunciation is better than Wheat's. Wheat just goes with a hard L.) (Korean speakers, feel free to correct any of this.)
If it's anything like Japanese (Korean sounds a lot like it, overall, and could be mistaken by someone who doesn't know either) it's neither 'r' nor 'l'.
If you think about how we produce both sounds, the positioning of the tongue is quite similar. The Korean sound should be something in between.
However some Japanese accents use a sound that's basically a straight-up 'R'.
I don't know Korean, though, so all I've said could be wrong :D
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On October 09 2011 11:48 Superpower wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 11:46 Micket wrote:
I don't mind any of them, but the lack of knowledge of HD is kinda annoying. If anything catspajamas has the most lack of knowledge, he is gold - diamond last i saw and HD is a master league player..
I think the problem is only one of them realises they don't have very good game knowledge.
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DjApollo has been doing a great job, I think doa has been outstanding also.
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To me this event has shown great casting. Some people like some casters more than others but I think in general the casting has been great.
The important thing for me to note is that when a caster finds the right partner it turns even an ok caster into part of a great casting duo.
I think Cats and Doa both benefit so much from each other that is crazy! (btw none of them were bad before, they just sound great when together).
Wheat and dapollo also have great chemistry and work pretty well. HD and PU work in their own way but maybe they're not a perfect match like the other combos. From the IPL qualifiers I also like PU and Cats, they also do a great job together and they can make boring games interesting.
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On October 09 2011 19:01 LittLeD wrote:
HD and painuser not getting enough love <3
agreed! Hope they see the good comments here if they read it. Some people just don't like new things. Heck, people used to complain about tastosis.
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if there is no Tastosis or Day, djWHEAT will be always #1.
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DjApollo is the best duo in my eyes.
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DjApollo really impressed me. They just were really really good. I hated catspajamas (or whatever the fat guys name is). I feel like watching TV-shop when i hear his voice. Also he is overly polite and feels overly professional.
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I like HD and Painuser, but it's really tiring to watch all the action on the minimap while they are not paying attention.
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I like them all to be honest.
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I cant stand casts pajamas & doa, I havent heard Painuser and HD but Appolo and DJWheat are bearable to watch. I wish they could just get some casters who are purely insight/analysis because im sick and tired of watching horse shit play by play calls.
imagine cats pajamas and total biscuit casting together T.T i would smash my head against the keyboard.
I would love to have some really deep analysis instead of some cheesy play by play boring crap.
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cats + doa, by far.
I like d.Apollo but wheat is just annoying..
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My biggest problem with HD and PainUser is that they try to hype things up so much that it gets exhausting to watch as a spectator. Hearing "Make some noise for.." or "Give it up for.." literally every game, and "Epic" for every match dulls all the excitement for me.
I hope some foreign tournaments adopt a player intro like the GSL where a street-fighter voice or the racial voice is the auto-cue for showing the support for the player.
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Wheat and Apollo - Cats and Doa, I like both of them! Doa got some insight from Korea and got a laid back style, wich I like 
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On October 09 2011 11:42 Cel.erity wrote:
Wheat and Apollo are simply the two best casters at the event, and they also have a nice chemistry with each other, so in my eyes it's no contest.
I have to say I'm a huge anti-fan of the usual trio of IPL casters, but Doa and CatsPajamas worked surprisingly well. It seems Doa is capable of quite intelligent commentary when he's not being overshadowed by Wolf or interrupted by Moletrap. CatsPajamas has always been a decent color commentator, so it's nice to see that Doa could fill the analysis role. Plus, they're freaking hilarious.
HD and PainUser though...I don't even know, man. I like PainUser when he casts with DjWheat, but it seems like whenever he's alongside someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, he starts slacking off and acting like a totally different person to get on their level. In my opinion this is the worst casting duo in all of SC2 history. HD says stupid stuff, PainUser rolls with it, nobody benefits.
You speak true wisdom young one.. spot on!
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On October 09 2011 16:12 gulati wrote:
My favorite of all is CatsPajamas, but I must say that HD and PainUser are really great together. They have that experience together for a long time now, and they both have the best insight out of all the combos (they both are on progame teams, despite HD not necessarily being a "pro")
HD on a pro team? LOL.
Honestly, I feel dApollo has always been more insightful than PainUser, and Doa also has been for this event. While you may be correct that PainUser and HD have more accomplishments as players, unfortunately that does not translate to understanding of the game. dApollo is on Dignitas, trains with top european players, absorbs information like a sponge. Doa lives in Korea with top foreigners, gets the latest information on top Korean builds, and casts for the strongest league in the world. PainUser and HD work at IGN, they do PR stuff, they do their YouTube stuff, they are not in a top-tier competitive environment anymore, and it is obvious that they do not absorb knowledge as quickly as most casters.
PainUser, for example, knows everything about Terran but basically nothing about the other races. He never seems to understand Protoss build orders or Zerg transitions. HD has never trained or cast at a high level of anything and is more consistently wrong in his evaluation than even CPJ (because CPJ doesn't pretend to be great). The other casters understand better because they pay attention and have good memory, and this translates to a less awkward cast.
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I think all three are doing an excellent job. Never liked HD, but he is casting quite okay at this event ^_^
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doa + catspajamas on the 50 minute game were amazing ♥ thx guys :D
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I think Apollo is the best caster, by quite a bit, and therefore his partner benefit from that - so I voted for them.
Overall though, the main problem I have is the dumbing down thing ... I think they should refer more to total supply etc, and not pretend the game isn't over. Just make it clear how far ahead one player is.
Goes for most casters.
It is just weird to me that they are talking about 'being ahead' or 'being behind' etc, when the supplies stay almost exactly the same and the upgrades as well. Or that they don't - when the supplies are very different.
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I'd like to point out that the level at which players play does not directly correlate with how well they udnerstand the game. I have terrible multitasking and APM, and will likely never get out of Platinum league, but I can still see why pro players make such or such decision on a strategic level, and when an engagement is going to be good or not. HD would likely trash me were we to play against each other, but he just keeps making the wrong call all the time in his casting. CatsPajamas, who is in gold league IIRC, is also a much worse player than HD, but he rarely says stuff that is flat-out wrong.
I enjoyed doa more on day 1 than on days 2 and 3. I think he was more tired then, and did not try to make jokes when he was tired. His jokes are bad (a general sentiment I have about the code A casters) and detract from his casting, which is actually good when he's not making jokes. He also has a lot of knowledge about the Korean scene, which is a very good thing in a tournament where two thirds of the championship bracket is Korean.
Apollo is an excellent analytical caster. He probably does not have the energy to make a good cast by himself I don't know if he ever does that ?), but when paired with someone like Wheat, that's really good stuff. So yeah, poll results do not surprise me.
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