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The ladder is mostly pointless/meaningless, none of the things you can see mean anything/matter unless you are GM then you have an actual rank.
The match making system will still work the same throughout so you will still get good matches against people of the same skill.
It doesn't affect your ability to improve. At all. Stop with the "oh no I'll be bronze forever now QQ".
If they were regularly resetting an ELO ladder and using ELO points for match making I could understand people being upset. But that's not what's happening.
The best thing is that more resets give blizzard more chances to accidentally improve the map pool, and it makes GM more up to date which reduces some of the problems with it (though locking it is still stupid).
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If seasons will be shorter, they shouldn't lock down the ladder for 2 weeks at a time. Imagine 2 months of open ladder and then 2 weeks of lock down over and over again. They should cut the lock down to a week.
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On October 05 2011 00:05 ZeromuS wrote:
Man these seasons are gonna be short. How am I ever reliably going to get into and stay in master league at this rate :S
i am seeing in this thread that many high diamonds are complaining about short seasons.
nothing will change for people like you, except maybe a few more inactive master players will play more so you will have to improve quicker to be within the best 2% of active players.
also, you complain about not getting into master , where obviously it's nobody's fault but yours. you demand to be one of the 2% best players on your server but obviously arent. whats wrong with you? maybe it is also your attitude standing in your way to get yourself into master league
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On October 05 2011 01:13 ZwuckeL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:05 ZeromuS wrote:
Man these seasons are gonna be short. How am I ever reliably going to get into and stay in master league at this rate :S i am seeing in this thread that many high diamonds are complaining about short seasons. nothing will change for people like you, except maybe a few more inactive master players will play more so you will have to improve quicker to be within the best 2% of active players. also, you complain about not getting into master , where obviously it's nobody's fault but yours. you demand to be one of the 2% best players on your server but obviously arent. whats wrong with you? maybe it is also your attitude standing in your way to get yourself into master league
Well it's kind of frustrating to need to have a mid masters mmr to get promoted even if one is better than low/inactive masters. They should do entire ladder resets IMO instead of shorter seasons which are just intended to weed out " inactive," many of whom simply play one game and sit in masters and never touch it again.
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On October 05 2011 01:13 ZwuckeL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 00:05 ZeromuS wrote:
Man these seasons are gonna be short. How am I ever reliably going to get into and stay in master league at this rate :S i am seeing in this thread that many high diamonds are complaining about short seasons. nothing will change for people like you, except maybe a few more inactive master players will play more so you will have to improve quicker to be within the best 2% of active players. also, you complain about not getting into master , where obviously it's nobody's fault but yours. you demand to be one of the 2% best players on your server but obviously arent. whats wrong with you? maybe it is also your attitude standing in your way to get yourself into master league
That's partially untrue. I don't know about other players, but as a player constantly battling for the #1 spot in my division, I think it would have been safe to expect that I would be matched up against other high diamond players, as well as a constant barrage of low masters. I have seen the exact opposite. I'm constantly faced against lower diamond players. I doubt it's my MMR since I usually stomp these players. However, all season I've been matched up with "even" matches or lower.
Out of the 460+ games I've played this season, I've faced only FIVE masters. I won all of those matches. Something's buggy with the matchmaking system.
As for your other comment about the shorter seasons, I'm not blaming shorter seasons for my lack of promotion. I'm blaming shorter seasons for my sudden discouragement to continue laddering, since all the work I put into laddering will simply be wiped clean before I can get anything show-worthy. I think three months was short enough already, but TWO?! That's just too short.
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I think that's a good ginhg- it will make for more map rotation, so one day we can have a decent ladder map pool. (I'm not complaining against imba maps - but look at the TPW ones and the Blizzard ones, they don't really seem to care about making good maps)
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i like the idea of the short season. why?
first i am high eu master. if every season is as long as the last one i can compare my points and my actual rank (sc2ranks) and see at least the improvement in case of points and actual rank.
the promoting thing can be a reason for some playes but i don't think it will change anything for them as long as the locked ladder end will last for the maximum of 1 week.
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On October 05 2011 01:32 HungShark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:13 ZwuckeL wrote:On October 05 2011 00:05 ZeromuS wrote:
Man these seasons are gonna be short. How am I ever reliably going to get into and stay in master league at this rate :S i am seeing in this thread that many high diamonds are complaining about short seasons. nothing will change for people like you, except maybe a few more inactive master players will play more so you will have to improve quicker to be within the best 2% of active players. also, you complain about not getting into master , where obviously it's nobody's fault but yours. you demand to be one of the 2% best players on your server but obviously arent. whats wrong with you? maybe it is also your attitude standing in your way to get yourself into master league That's partially untrue. I don't know about other players, but as a player constantly battling for the #1 spot in my division, I think it would have been safe to expect that I would be matched up against other high diamond players, as well as a constant barrage of low masters. I have seen the exact opposite. I'm constantly faced against lower diamond players. I doubt it's my MMR since I usually stomp these players. However, all season I've been matched up with "even" matches or lower. Out of the 460+ games I've played this season, I've faced only FIVE masters. I won all of those matches. Something's buggy with the matchmaking system. As for your other comment about the shorter seasons, I'm not blaming shorter seasons for my lack of promotion. I'm blaming shorter seasons for my sudden discouragement to continue laddering, since all the work I put into laddering will simply be wiped clean before I can get anything show-worthy. I think three months was short enough already, but TWO?! That's just too short.
don't forget you are getting a milestone icon for season 3 displaying your achieved ladder rank. so it's not really gone forever like you said. also your mmr isn't reset as you know. so waht excatly are you referring to as "your work you put into laddering is simply being wiped"?
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so glad theyre making seasons shorter =)
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i dont understand why people think shorter season makes it harder to get promoted, bronze-silver, diamond-masters, etc. Your MMR is never reset so if you keep playing and improving youll get to the level you should be at regardless when blizzard arbitrarily says 'ok season over.'
can someone enlighten me why it's going to be harder to rank up? :O
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On October 05 2011 01:32 HungShark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 01:13 ZwuckeL wrote:On October 05 2011 00:05 ZeromuS wrote:
Man these seasons are gonna be short. How am I ever reliably going to get into and stay in master league at this rate :S i am seeing in this thread that many high diamonds are complaining about short seasons. nothing will change for people like you, except maybe a few more inactive master players will play more so you will have to improve quicker to be within the best 2% of active players. also, you complain about not getting into master , where obviously it's nobody's fault but yours. you demand to be one of the 2% best players on your server but obviously arent. whats wrong with you? maybe it is also your attitude standing in your way to get yourself into master league That's partially untrue. I don't know about other players, but as a player constantly battling for the #1 spot in my division, I think it would have been safe to expect that I would be matched up against other high diamond players, as well as a constant barrage of low masters. I have seen the exact opposite. I'm constantly faced against lower diamond players. I doubt it's my MMR since I usually stomp these players. However, all season I've been matched up with "even" matches or lower. Out of the 460+ games I've played this season, I've faced only FIVE masters. I won all of those matches. Something's buggy with the matchmaking system. As for your other comment about the shorter seasons, I'm not blaming shorter seasons for my lack of promotion. I'm blaming shorter seasons for my sudden discouragement to continue laddering, since all the work I put into laddering will simply be wiped clean before I can get anything show-worthy. I think three months was short enough already, but TWO?! That's just too short.
You probably go 50/50 with the players at your level (diamond) atm. If you're really masters level you should go like 30:4 vs Diamond players and then you will be promoted. On a new account it took me 25 games to get into masters (25:0).
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I think it is great to reset these season so fast. Reason is I lose my will to play after 2 months of playing, so more chances to be GM more chances to get higher ranked and get your name out there try and find sponsors and try to make it as a pro gamers. I think this is a great idea.
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Really guys, shorter seasons only means that the Bonus Pool will not get out of control. Your MMR will continue to grow, also hopefully more varied Map pool.
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Why can't they just show mmr so that we do not have people calling themselves "high master" when they are only high in points and are matching up with diamonds on ladder? Kinda kills the point of having these fancy titles.
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Sorry if this has been answered, but does anyone know what happens to an account if the placement match for this season wasn't played, and a new season starts?
My account was Master league in S2 and I haven't been motivated to ladder at all in S3(placement not played etc). When S4 starts will my MMR totally reset or will it use my S2 placement instead?
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On October 05 2011 02:50 pt wrote:
Why can't they just show mmr so that we do not have people calling themselves "high master" when they are only high in points and are matching up with diamonds on ladder? Kinda kills the point of having these fancy titles.
High master typically means no bonus pool, which means that Points are directly correlated with player skill. MMR can still fluctuate (you lose 10 in a row you will be playing diamonds).
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On October 05 2011 02:50 pt wrote:
Why can't they just show mmr so that we do not have people calling themselves "high master" when they are only high in points and are matching up with diamonds on ladder? Kinda kills the point of having these fancy titles.
Short seasons make this less of an issue, because there will be smaller bonus pools and people will have an easier time keeping up with bonus points.
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On October 05 2011 02:54 Resilient wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered, but does anyone know what happens to an account if the placement match for this season wasn't played, and a new season starts?
My account was Master league in S2 and I haven't been motivated to ladder at all in S3(placement not played etc). When S4 starts will my MMR totally reset or will it use my S2 placement instead?
I doubt it will totally reset but your MMR will definitely be volatile at the start of S4.
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