On October 10 2011 00:20 TheUnderking wrote: Stephano is sickeningly good though.(It's who I voted for) See him crush HuK ez back on thursday? I agree that yesterday Idra got his game on and is looking rock solid. I'm surprised he didn't go on tilt after that bunker rush.
Yeah, but you gotta remember, that win doesn't count because HuK chose a bad opening! Artosis said so.
I don't understand why everyone says this to Americans. Maybe Europe has has better players overall than North America, but North America has MLG with Korean participation on a regular basis. Europe doesn't seem to have LANs as frequently. Plus there are Europeans who do come to MLG and who do play in the GSL, so I can watch them there. And why would I go out of my way to watch small European online tournaments when I could watch the GSL vods?
Basically there isn't much of a motivation to watch those games you're talking about. Players like Nerchio will get more recognition from people in NA when he plays in a venue accessible and appealing to us. Otherwise you're just going to have the hardcore NA fans watching. If he chooses not to do that, then that's fine, but you can't expect everyone to change their viewing habits or like a player they never see.
so Nerchio's humiliating record vs a lot of american players doesn't matter, because some of those games he played from home!
( 4-0 vs idra, 2-0 against huk, 2-0 against kiwikaki, 2-0 against fenix, 2-0 against dde, 9-1 vs demuslim, 2-0 vs rain) etcetcetc should not get recognition from americans like because some of those games he played from a different geographic position!
i mean really he must prove that he is a good player after all those games! those mean nothing!
that's logic at its finest! nice thinking process, dude!
Can you not disagree with someone without being a dick about it?
I never said that Nerchio wasn't good. I never said that Stephano wasn't good either. In fact, Americans seem remarkably willing to accept players from outside of America as the best, and to not really care that the best players aren't from the U.S. These days, a Korean always wins MLG, and Americans are always really excited to watch.
My point is that you can't expect people who follow mainstream SC2 to know who is dominating online, in European online tournaments. If you want to convince people that you are the best foreigner in the WORLD, you have to do it on the world stage.
Like I said earlier, if Stephano performs really well at IPL lan then more people will talk about him as the best foreigner. It's not like Stephano or Nerchio have won all of these lans in Europe. Dimaga won Assembly Summer. Mana was the top placing foreigner at IEM.
Now I would agree that Stephano is the best foreigner
I think this pretty much solidifies what we already knew the best 3 zergs outside of Korea are most defiantly Stephano, Idra and Sen with a small argument for Nerchio maybe.
Stephano played amazing As did Idra at IEM gratz to the both of them!
edit: Those are in no special order I think Idra and Stephano are about equal just Idra gets plays a bit greedier and gets cheesed out alot because of it.
The kid definitely has incredible potential, I'm really impressed. To be fair though, he was able to dodge a lot of good players in this tournament (MMA, Puma, MC, etc.) I would really love to see him go to Korea and just start owning faces (Which is also why I was disappointed that he didn't join coL so he could train in the MVP house, but that's a whole different story)