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Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
October 10 2011 04:41 GMT
#1341
If Stephano goes to Korea to practice, he will be the best. As of right now it is probably Diamaga and MajOr soon. Also, HuK is up there.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
October 10 2011 04:55 GMT
#1342
On October 10 2011 13:41 Kluey wrote:
If Stephano goes to Korea to practice, he will be the best foreigner. As of right now it is probably Diamaga and MajOr soon. Also, HuK is up there.


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Legion710
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada423 Posts
October 10 2011 04:59 GMT
#1343
Can I take my vote back? lol.
Tyrion Lannister
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 10 2011 05:02 GMT
#1344
On October 10 2011 13:39 FairForever wrote:
Pretty much Mana is the only P that can compete with the Koreans (White-Ra... no. Not really, he did beat MMA though. But I'd say no).

I think White-Ra can beat any T if he can get away with his greedy openings. But no.. not really. It worked once against MMA and right after that the Koreans learned what he does and countered hard.
vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
October 10 2011 05:13 GMT
#1345
On October 10 2011 13:41 Kluey wrote:
If Stephano goes to Korea to practice, he will be the best. As of right now it is probably Diamaga and MajOr soon. Also, HuK is up there.

stephano said in the interview he cant play more than 3hrs.he said he lose more if he play longer, hes better in EU hes a talented player he doesnt need KR to be the best.
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 10 2011 05:16 GMT
#1346
Stephano, MajOr and NaNiwa will soon be the top 3 international players by a long mile IMO. They have the most unfulfilled potential and the best environment to fulfil it (except Stephano, who is simply a French Flash, but it would be a shame if he never goes to Korea to reach his potential).
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nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
October 10 2011 06:31 GMT
#1347
On October 10 2011 14:16 tyCe wrote:
Stephano, MajOr and NaNiwa will soon be the top 3 international players by a long mile IMO. They have the most unfulfilled potential and the best environment to fulfil it (except Stephano, who is simply a French Flash, but it would be a shame if he never goes to Korea to reach his potential).


He is a French Grrrr. Would be a shame indeed.
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Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
October 10 2011 06:35 GMT
#1348
On October 10 2011 14:16 tyCe wrote:
Stephano, MajOr and NaNiwa will soon be the top 3 international players by a long mile IMO. They have the most unfulfilled potential and the best environment to fulfil it (except Stephano, who is simply a French Flash, but it would be a shame if he never goes to Korea to reach his potential).

Sase?
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Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
October 10 2011 06:39 GMT
#1349
HuK is still in my mind the best. Only foreigner with consistency in GSL and some other tourney results to back that up. Stephano, Naniwa, Sase, Idra, Thorzain, Sen, Dimaga, Select, maybe Sjow all are just a step below but could definitely be as good as HuK. We will see if they can form some kind of consistency. Mana, White-Ra, Demuslim, Sheth, etc are all good but I think they're a small step below.
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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
October 10 2011 06:45 GMT
#1350
I think the most important thing to look at is that, regardless of who is "the best", after this weekend, it's safe to say the gap between foreigners and koreans is getting smaller and smaller.

Every single Korean at the IPL looked very beatable in their matches.
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itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
October 10 2011 07:58 GMT
#1351
On October 10 2011 13:11 windsupernova wrote:
Got to love the bandwagoning in the TL forums.

Still Stephano is an pretty awesome player. I still think the title for best foreigner is too close to decide based on few tournies


Ya, I feel like people are all for stephano now after ipl3. Obviously he is a great player. And obviously one of the best foreigners. But maybe we should wait for a couple more lans before we set everything in stone. Everyone is acting like Stephano being the best foreigner is a done deal now.
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babo213
Profile Joined January 2011
United States266 Posts
October 10 2011 08:01 GMT
#1352
On October 10 2011 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I think the most important thing to look at is that, regardless of who is "the best", after this weekend, it's safe to say the gap between foreigners and koreans is getting smaller and smaller.

Every single Korean at the IPL looked very beatable in their matches.


I don't know if the gap is getting smaller. Perhaps with lower end code a and b Koreans, but the top still just seems as big as ever.
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
October 10 2011 08:03 GMT
#1353
Stephano just hurled a wrench into the entire pro-scene. I'm still blown away.
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eleaf
Profile Joined September 2011
526 Posts
October 10 2011 08:06 GMT
#1354
This topic should be locked

Can we have this topic like every three months so we can REVOTE!
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 08:56:18
October 10 2011 08:55 GMT
#1355
On October 10 2011 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I think the most important thing to look at is that, regardless of who is "the best", after this weekend, it's safe to say the gap between foreigners and koreans is getting smaller and smaller.

Every single Korean at the IPL looked very beatable in their matches.

Honestly, I don't think anything has changed. Ret took a serie out of a korean, Idra took down ARtist who is clearly not a top korean, and that's it. All the other foreign vs korean victories were Stephano's.

red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 11 2011 01:11 GMT
#1356
On October 10 2011 17:55 Elean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I think the most important thing to look at is that, regardless of who is "the best", after this weekend, it's safe to say the gap between foreigners and koreans is getting smaller and smaller.

Every single Korean at the IPL looked very beatable in their matches.

Honestly, I don't think anything has changed. Ret took a serie out of a korean, Idra took down ARtist who is clearly not a top korean, and that's it. All the other foreign vs korean victories were Stephano's.



White-Ra over MMA! Highlight of IPL3 for me. Even better than Stephano winning the whole thing.
Magnitoo
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-11 01:24:05
October 11 2011 01:23 GMT
#1357
On October 10 2011 17:55 Elean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 15:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I think the most important thing to look at is that, regardless of who is "the best", after this weekend, it's safe to say the gap between foreigners and koreans is getting smaller and smaller.

Every single Korean at the IPL looked very beatable in their matches.

Honestly, I don't think anything has changed. Ret took a serie out of a korean, Idra took down ARtist who is clearly not a top korean, and that's it. All the other foreign vs korean victories were Stephano's.



I agree. Sure,a high percentage of the Koreans that were at the IPL are excellent players, they are still not the best. Using IPL as a way to judge Korea v. Foreigners is not a good idea, in fact it's quite stupid because there are so many Koreans that are leagues ahead of most of the foreigners and didn't attend this tournament.

Stephano is so ridiculously good. He just understands the game, it's amazing. However, I feel that he lacks the dedication to become the best of the best, after all he did say he plans to quit SC2 in about a year (he's just using it as a way to make some money, not that I'm judging. It's his choice). But, if he continues to receive a lot of fan support and if he wins these big tournaments he might stay a bit longer and pour a little bit more of his soul into it.

It was stated before, and I agree, there should be a new poll. A lot has changed

Foreigners fighting!
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
October 11 2011 01:26 GMT
#1358
My favourite foreigner would have to be the Archaic MSI boys, therefore they are the best players.
FOOTBALL
Ventor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States336 Posts
October 11 2011 01:35 GMT
#1359
Anyone noticing bias? Because I am. Europeans vote for Europeans as the best and same with the North Americans. It's disgustingly obvious. (This isn't the case for everyone, there are exceptions of course) Let the results speak for themselves. I.e. Look at player's achievement page then evaluate.
oGsMc - EGHuK - White-Ra - SlayerSBoxeR - STBomber Fighting!~
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
October 11 2011 01:36 GMT
#1360
I would take my vote back and give it to stephano if I could.
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