• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:40
CEST 20:40
KST 03:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)63ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo31Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
Mizenhauer's Douyu Cup Preview ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Possible bug in the new patch?
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BW General Discussion Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June BSL Season 22
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7345 users

[Poll] Best Foreigner? - Page 70

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 68 69 70 71 72 80 Next
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
October 17 2011 12:48 GMT
#1381
idra has a big weakness in his z v p.

Gogo Grubby.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
October 17 2011 12:50 GMT
#1382
On October 17 2011 20:55 Deckkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 19:44 0ne wrote:
Idra is the best obviously. Stephano? lolol


Why is it so obvious that IdrA is better than Stephano? enlighten me.


Definitely not obvious, but one could make a very convincing argument based on MLG results. Stephano won IPL which had slightly stronger competition than IEM (although Idra faced monsters in Puma and Revival). I gave Idra the edge slightly just because I was so impressed with the straight wins over HongUn and Bomber, and also playing MC and MKP very, very close.

Honestly either player would be very good, and hopefully we'll see both accept their spots into Code A (if Stephano gets an invite). Personally I think consistent Code S + a win in the MLG against top-level competition is the most important, so I'll go...

1) Huk
2a) Idra
2b) Stephano

I can't believe people keep picking Thorzain. He hasn't had any international top performances recently, and got beat by Idra in the RO32 in the IPL. He lost in Code A and while he did do well in the GSTL, those were BO1s against sometimes non-top Korean play.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
October 17 2011 12:57 GMT
#1383
On October 17 2011 21:50 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 20:55 Deckkie wrote:
On October 17 2011 19:44 0ne wrote:
Idra is the best obviously. Stephano? lolol


Why is it so obvious that IdrA is better than Stephano? enlighten me.


Definitely not obvious, but one could make a very convincing argument based on MLG results. Stephano won IPL which had slightly stronger competition than IEM (although Idra faced monsters in Puma and Revival). I gave Idra the edge slightly just because I was so impressed with the straight wins over HongUn and Bomber, and also playing MC and MKP very, very close.

Honestly either player would be very good, and hopefully we'll see both accept their spots into Code A (if Stephano gets an invite). Personally I think consistent Code S + a win in the MLG against top-level competition is the most important, so I'll go...

1) Huk
2a) Idra
2b) Stephano

I can't believe people keep picking Thorzain. He hasn't had any international top performances recently, and got beat by Idra in the RO32 in the IPL. He lost in Code A and while he did do well in the GSTL, those were BO1s against sometimes non-top Korean play.

He can 2nd in DH Valencia less than 1 month ago where he beat hero and huk before losing 2-3 to DRG.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 13:04:27
October 17 2011 13:02 GMT
#1384
After IEM : " Idra is definitly the best foreigner "
After IPL " OMG, look at Stephano this guy is the best"
After MLG " Don't be fool, Huk is the best, he's the most accomplish one ! "

._.


On October 17 2011 21:02 shell wrote:
well idra, huk, stephano are the 3 best foreigners right now! based on latest tournament results!

Thorzain and naniwa would complete my top5!

What i would like to know is why foreign terrans suck so much compared to koreans?



Mechanics.
Terran is all about that. You can be a godly tactician and have great results with Terran ( that's how players like Goody, Sjow or even Thorzain are here ) but perfect mechanics just put the race to another level.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
October 17 2011 13:09 GMT
#1385
Wow how things have changed in the 3 weeks since this poll came out lol. Wish i could re-vote for sure.
xO-Gaming.com || [xO]TheGiftedApe.364 || xO-Gaming Manager.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 17 2011 13:10 GMT
#1386
On October 17 2011 22:02 Noocta wrote:
After IEM : " Idra is definitly the best foreigner "
After IPL " OMG, look at Stephano this guy is the best"
After MLG " Don't be fool, Huk is the best, he's the most accomplish one ! "

._.



It's just that their respective fans express themselves mostly when they win, so it gives the impression that common thoughts have changed. Those convinced that HuK is the best foreigner (me for example, and for a long time :p) will not shit on IdrA and Stephano's victories by saying "OLOLOL that guy is definitely not the best!" and will remain somewhat silent. However when HuK gets a big win, we celebrate and throw around confettis, fireworks and omgbonjwas.
I don't think people's opinion swing that easily
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
October 17 2011 13:13 GMT
#1387
I think its pretty fair to say HuK, IdrA, Stephano & ThorZaiN are all around the same level, it all depends on the momentum =)

currently HuK has he most impressive results..... but ThorZaiN didnt do any MLG's so hard to say
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Twilight_Archon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States11 Posts
October 17 2011 13:45 GMT
#1388
These polls are so "corrupt."
(My Life For) A-R-T-O-S-I-S! Artosis Theme Song! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAEZzcTiMFg&feature=BFa&list=PL040D08FF9148E2CA&lf=bf_play
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
October 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#1389
Yeah, these polls really are silly... the amount of change that's happened the last 3 weeks should make you realize how close everyone is at the top.

Also makes people way too biased for those who are in the spotlight. Take Sen, for example. He rarely makes it to western tournaments, but often the times he does he's a goddamn beast. There's no love for him now just because he wasn't at IPL, IEM, MLG, but I guarantee you next time we see him, we'll be reminded of this fact.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
October 17 2011 14:01 GMT
#1390
I've said all along Huk is the most consistent foreigner. Sup bitches?
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 14:08:08
October 17 2011 14:06 GMT
#1391
I think a new poll is in order.
In light of the most recent results, it would have to be Huk with idra a close second. Stehpano would be in the top 5 and the only other player worth mentioning is thorzain.

EDIT: the reason for a new poll would be because people can only vote once and the current poll was from two weeks ago (And a lot has happened since two weeks ago)
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
October 17 2011 14:08 GMT
#1392
On October 17 2011 21:57 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 21:50 FairForever wrote:
On October 17 2011 20:55 Deckkie wrote:
On October 17 2011 19:44 0ne wrote:
Idra is the best obviously. Stephano? lolol


Why is it so obvious that IdrA is better than Stephano? enlighten me.


Definitely not obvious, but one could make a very convincing argument based on MLG results. Stephano won IPL which had slightly stronger competition than IEM (although Idra faced monsters in Puma and Revival). I gave Idra the edge slightly just because I was so impressed with the straight wins over HongUn and Bomber, and also playing MC and MKP very, very close.

Honestly either player would be very good, and hopefully we'll see both accept their spots into Code A (if Stephano gets an invite). Personally I think consistent Code S + a win in the MLG against top-level competition is the most important, so I'll go...

1) Huk
2a) Idra
2b) Stephano

I can't believe people keep picking Thorzain. He hasn't had any international top performances recently, and got beat by Idra in the RO32 in the IPL. He lost in Code A and while he did do well in the GSTL, those were BO1s against sometimes non-top Korean play.

He can 2nd in DH Valencia less than 1 month ago where he beat hero and huk before losing 2-3 to DRG.

yeah, Thorzain TvP is good... but any decent terran has good TvP nowadays.

Huk is clearly the best foreigner, second place is still up for discussion
badog
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 17 2011 14:20 GMT
#1393
On October 17 2011 21:48 UnholyRai wrote:
idra has a big weakness in his z v p.



His ZvP is weak. But his ZvMC is the real problem here.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 16:35:32
October 17 2011 14:23 GMT
#1394
Huk, no Ifs ands or buts
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
dosxx
Profile Joined September 2011
United States10 Posts
October 17 2011 14:28 GMT
#1395
It should be obvious that Huk is the best foreigner. He has been Code S for I don't know how long (one of the most consistent players in general in Code S), plus his wins at some big tourneys including his huge win last night put him over the top.

Second is much more difficult to acertain, but Huk should be considered the best non-Korean.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 14:30:11
October 17 2011 14:29 GMT
#1396
In term of experience i would say Huk or Idra but in term of pure raw skill Stephano seems a quite better atm
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
October 17 2011 14:32 GMT
#1397
there is no absolute best foreigner right now imo. people change their minds with every tournament win (as seen in the last three weeks), but the top foreigners are all on a very similar level. huk, stephano, idra, mana, maybe sase, those players are all on the same level and sometimes one of them is in a better shape than the others
danakaz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark84 Posts
October 17 2011 15:03 GMT
#1398
So HuK, right? :-)
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
October 17 2011 15:15 GMT
#1399
Kind of funny that 882 people voted for Idra to be removed from the list. I guess they kind of regret saying that right now
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 17 2011 16:05 GMT
#1400
I still think Thorzain is the best foreigner. Followed by Stephano.

Huks PvZ is like most toss and his PvP are not that good. He got a good group without any PvP bosses like Sase, Inori or Oz.
Idras ZvP is terrible (compared to his zVt)

As far as overall skill goes I would put Tzain>Stephano>Idra>HUK. Nani or Sase are imo the only ones that can contend.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Prev 1 68 69 70 71 72 80 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
16:00
King of the Hill #254
EmpressLilyy58
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 729
LamboSC2 528
MindelVK 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17685
Calm 3171
Mini 676
EffOrt 609
Shuttle 277
Jaedong 274
BeSt 144
actioN 139
ggaemo 105
firebathero 86
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 82
Sea.KH 61
scan(afreeca) 34
Rock 20
HiyA 12
Sacsri 12
Dota 2
qojqva2755
Counter-Strike
ScreaM3621
fl0m2399
byalli788
Other Games
singsing3568
FrodaN1135
Beastyqt719
ceh9669
ArmadaUGS177
XaKoH 105
QueenE62
Mew2King57
Trikslyr48
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream6426
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 399
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 80
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki23
• FirePhoenix12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis5025
• TFBlade1069
Other Games
• imaqtpie591
• Shiphtur227
Upcoming Events
Bombastic Starleague
1h 20m
Douyu Cup 2020
10h 20m
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Big Brain Bouts
21h 20m
Jumy vs eGGz
Harstem vs sebesdes
TriGGeR vs HeRoMaRinE
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 10h
Maestros of the Game
1d 17h
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 19h
Douyu Cup 2020
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Online Event
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Bombastic Starleague
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
OSC
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-24
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.