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UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
October 17 2011 12:48 GMT
#1381
idra has a big weakness in his z v p.

Gogo Grubby.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
October 17 2011 12:50 GMT
#1382
On October 17 2011 20:55 Deckkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 19:44 0ne wrote:
Idra is the best obviously. Stephano? lolol


Why is it so obvious that IdrA is better than Stephano? enlighten me.


Definitely not obvious, but one could make a very convincing argument based on MLG results. Stephano won IPL which had slightly stronger competition than IEM (although Idra faced monsters in Puma and Revival). I gave Idra the edge slightly just because I was so impressed with the straight wins over HongUn and Bomber, and also playing MC and MKP very, very close.

Honestly either player would be very good, and hopefully we'll see both accept their spots into Code A (if Stephano gets an invite). Personally I think consistent Code S + a win in the MLG against top-level competition is the most important, so I'll go...

1) Huk
2a) Idra
2b) Stephano

I can't believe people keep picking Thorzain. He hasn't had any international top performances recently, and got beat by Idra in the RO32 in the IPL. He lost in Code A and while he did do well in the GSTL, those were BO1s against sometimes non-top Korean play.
VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden1923 Posts
October 17 2011 12:57 GMT
#1383
On October 17 2011 21:50 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 20:55 Deckkie wrote:
On October 17 2011 19:44 0ne wrote:
Idra is the best obviously. Stephano? lolol


Why is it so obvious that IdrA is better than Stephano? enlighten me.


Definitely not obvious, but one could make a very convincing argument based on MLG results. Stephano won IPL which had slightly stronger competition than IEM (although Idra faced monsters in Puma and Revival). I gave Idra the edge slightly just because I was so impressed with the straight wins over HongUn and Bomber, and also playing MC and MKP very, very close.

Honestly either player would be very good, and hopefully we'll see both accept their spots into Code A (if Stephano gets an invite). Personally I think consistent Code S + a win in the MLG against top-level competition is the most important, so I'll go...

1) Huk
2a) Idra
2b) Stephano

I can't believe people keep picking Thorzain. He hasn't had any international top performances recently, and got beat by Idra in the RO32 in the IPL. He lost in Code A and while he did do well in the GSTL, those were BO1s against sometimes non-top Korean play.

He can 2nd in DH Valencia less than 1 month ago where he beat hero and huk before losing 2-3 to DRG.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 13:04:27
October 17 2011 13:02 GMT
#1384
After IEM : " Idra is definitly the best foreigner "
After IPL " OMG, look at Stephano this guy is the best"
After MLG " Don't be fool, Huk is the best, he's the most accomplish one ! "

._.


On October 17 2011 21:02 shell wrote:
well idra, huk, stephano are the 3 best foreigners right now! based on latest tournament results!

Thorzain and naniwa would complete my top5!

What i would like to know is why foreign terrans suck so much compared to koreans?



Mechanics.
Terran is all about that. You can be a godly tactician and have great results with Terran ( that's how players like Goody, Sjow or even Thorzain are here ) but perfect mechanics just put the race to another level.
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TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
October 17 2011 13:09 GMT
#1385
Wow how things have changed in the 3 weeks since this poll came out lol. Wish i could re-vote for sure.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 17 2011 13:10 GMT
#1386
On October 17 2011 22:02 Noocta wrote:
After IEM : " Idra is definitly the best foreigner "
After IPL " OMG, look at Stephano this guy is the best"
After MLG " Don't be fool, Huk is the best, he's the most accomplish one ! "

._.



It's just that their respective fans express themselves mostly when they win, so it gives the impression that common thoughts have changed. Those convinced that HuK is the best foreigner (me for example, and for a long time :p) will not shit on IdrA and Stephano's victories by saying "OLOLOL that guy is definitely not the best!" and will remain somewhat silent. However when HuK gets a big win, we celebrate and throw around confettis, fireworks and omgbonjwas.
I don't think people's opinion swing that easily
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
October 17 2011 13:13 GMT
#1387
I think its pretty fair to say HuK, IdrA, Stephano & ThorZaiN are all around the same level, it all depends on the momentum =)

currently HuK has he most impressive results..... but ThorZaiN didnt do any MLG's so hard to say
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Twilight_Archon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States11 Posts
October 17 2011 13:45 GMT
#1388
These polls are so "corrupt."
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cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
October 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#1389
Yeah, these polls really are silly... the amount of change that's happened the last 3 weeks should make you realize how close everyone is at the top.

Also makes people way too biased for those who are in the spotlight. Take Sen, for example. He rarely makes it to western tournaments, but often the times he does he's a goddamn beast. There's no love for him now just because he wasn't at IPL, IEM, MLG, but I guarantee you next time we see him, we'll be reminded of this fact.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
October 17 2011 14:01 GMT
#1390
I've said all along Huk is the most consistent foreigner. Sup bitches?
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nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 14:08:08
October 17 2011 14:06 GMT
#1391
I think a new poll is in order.
In light of the most recent results, it would have to be Huk with idra a close second. Stehpano would be in the top 5 and the only other player worth mentioning is thorzain.

EDIT: the reason for a new poll would be because people can only vote once and the current poll was from two weeks ago (And a lot has happened since two weeks ago)
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
October 17 2011 14:08 GMT
#1392
On October 17 2011 21:57 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 21:50 FairForever wrote:
On October 17 2011 20:55 Deckkie wrote:
On October 17 2011 19:44 0ne wrote:
Idra is the best obviously. Stephano? lolol


Why is it so obvious that IdrA is better than Stephano? enlighten me.


Definitely not obvious, but one could make a very convincing argument based on MLG results. Stephano won IPL which had slightly stronger competition than IEM (although Idra faced monsters in Puma and Revival). I gave Idra the edge slightly just because I was so impressed with the straight wins over HongUn and Bomber, and also playing MC and MKP very, very close.

Honestly either player would be very good, and hopefully we'll see both accept their spots into Code A (if Stephano gets an invite). Personally I think consistent Code S + a win in the MLG against top-level competition is the most important, so I'll go...

1) Huk
2a) Idra
2b) Stephano

I can't believe people keep picking Thorzain. He hasn't had any international top performances recently, and got beat by Idra in the RO32 in the IPL. He lost in Code A and while he did do well in the GSTL, those were BO1s against sometimes non-top Korean play.

He can 2nd in DH Valencia less than 1 month ago where he beat hero and huk before losing 2-3 to DRG.

yeah, Thorzain TvP is good... but any decent terran has good TvP nowadays.

Huk is clearly the best foreigner, second place is still up for discussion
badog
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 17 2011 14:20 GMT
#1393
On October 17 2011 21:48 UnholyRai wrote:
idra has a big weakness in his z v p.



His ZvP is weak. But his ZvMC is the real problem here.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 16:35:32
October 17 2011 14:23 GMT
#1394
Huk, no Ifs ands or buts
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
dosxx
Profile Joined September 2011
United States10 Posts
October 17 2011 14:28 GMT
#1395
It should be obvious that Huk is the best foreigner. He has been Code S for I don't know how long (one of the most consistent players in general in Code S), plus his wins at some big tourneys including his huge win last night put him over the top.

Second is much more difficult to acertain, but Huk should be considered the best non-Korean.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1359 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 14:30:11
October 17 2011 14:29 GMT
#1396
In term of experience i would say Huk or Idra but in term of pure raw skill Stephano seems a quite better atm
hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
October 17 2011 14:32 GMT
#1397
there is no absolute best foreigner right now imo. people change their minds with every tournament win (as seen in the last three weeks), but the top foreigners are all on a very similar level. huk, stephano, idra, mana, maybe sase, those players are all on the same level and sometimes one of them is in a better shape than the others
danakaz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark84 Posts
October 17 2011 15:03 GMT
#1398
So HuK, right? :-)
Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
October 17 2011 15:15 GMT
#1399
Kind of funny that 882 people voted for Idra to be removed from the list. I guess they kind of regret saying that right now
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
October 17 2011 16:05 GMT
#1400
I still think Thorzain is the best foreigner. Followed by Stephano.

Huks PvZ is like most toss and his PvP are not that good. He got a good group without any PvP bosses like Sase, Inori or Oz.
Idras ZvP is terrible (compared to his zVt)

As far as overall skill goes I would put Tzain>Stephano>Idra>HUK. Nani or Sase are imo the only ones that can contend.
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