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MaNderjao
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden19 Posts
October 20 2011 16:16 GMT
#1401
HuK, Stephano and IdrA are the best foreigners atm imo. I think SaSe is better than ThorZaIN atm.

1. HuK/Stephano/IdrA can't decide. Stephano is almost always good, IdrA is really good atm and HuK is good in periods I think.

2. SaSe
3. ThorZaIN
4. MaNa
5. SeleCT, NaNi, Dimaga.
Ventor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States336 Posts
October 20 2011 16:27 GMT
#1402
Stephano wins one tournament and gets as much credit as HuK who has won multiple tournaments and has stayed in Code S for many months... I'm pretty sure a player needs to do more than that to be crowned best foreigner. Same with Thorzain, 1 online tournament win.
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polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
October 20 2011 16:30 GMT
#1403
On October 21 2011 01:16 MaNderjao wrote:
HuK, Stephano and IdrA are the best foreigners atm imo. I think SaSe is better than ThorZaIN atm.

1. HuK/Stephano/IdrA can't decide. Stephano is almost always good, IdrA is really good atm and HuK is good in periods I think.

2. SaSe
3. ThorZaIN
4. MaNa
5. SeleCT, NaNi, Dimaga.

im not sure we can consider stephano yet, he has only really done well in a couple tournaments. I think his lack of world wide exposure has certainly helped him, as idra mentioned in inside the game, its a different style that people haven't seen before, and as such haven't quite adapted to it yet, the question of if he is one of the top players is if he can adapt to the adaptation or if he'll fall off once his style is figured out.
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Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
October 20 2011 16:47 GMT
#1404
Thorzain at his best absolutely obliterates anyone but Stephano. He is that good.
Skarmory
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
October 20 2011 16:55 GMT
#1405
I guess he wasn't at his best, against a much more jet lagged Idra at IPL. We all know how great Thorzain is, can't even advance past ro32 in code A. Winning an online tournament a million months ago = murders all foreigners easily? Here are some facts for you blind zealots. Go to liquipedia and look at his tournament wins. Wow, so many crazy 1st place finishes! If you want to ONLY go off of victories, Huk makes Thorzain look like a total scrub nub. What do I know though, I don't drink the European cool aid.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Thorzain
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
October 20 2011 17:00 GMT
#1406
On October 21 2011 01:55 Skarmory wrote:
I guess he wasn't at his best, against a much more jet lagged Idra at IPL. We all know how great Thorzain is, can't even advance past ro32 in code A. Winning an online tournament a million months ago = murders all foreigners easily? Here are some facts for you blind zealots. Go to liquipedia and look at his tournament wins. Wow, so many crazy 1st place finishes! If you want to ONLY go off of victories, Huk makes Thorzain look like a total scrub nub. What do I know though, I don't drink the European cool aid.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Thorzain


There are more eloquent ways of expressing your opinion than shitting all over an amazing player, and dissing an entire continent because of one person's opinion.
TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 17:06:12
October 20 2011 17:05 GMT
#1407
Huk and Idra are the best foreigners imo. Not only did they show a good performance in the recent MLG, but theyve also been around since the beginning. Sure, both had bad times, but they always come back and are overall the most accomplished foreigners.

Id put Stephano in third. Hes an awesome player and he might even be the best at the moment, but he has to prove that he can stay on that level.
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Skarmory
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
October 20 2011 17:06 GMT
#1408
On October 21 2011 02:00 Resilient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 01:55 Skarmory wrote:
I guess he wasn't at his best, against a much more jet lagged Idra at IPL. We all know how great Thorzain is, can't even advance past ro32 in code A. Winning an online tournament a million months ago = murders all foreigners easily? Here are some facts for you blind zealots. Go to liquipedia and look at his tournament wins. Wow, so many crazy 1st place finishes! If you want to ONLY go off of victories, Huk makes Thorzain look like a total scrub nub. What do I know though, I don't drink the European cool aid.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Thorzain


There are more eloquent ways of expressing your opinion than shitting all over an amazing player, and dissing an entire continent because of one person's opinion.


Facts speak for themselves, if you don't like my post, just click the link and read how awesome he is.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
October 20 2011 17:08 GMT
#1409
On October 21 2011 01:55 Skarmory wrote:
I guess he wasn't at his best, against a much more jet lagged Idra at IPL. We all know how great Thorzain is, can't even advance past ro32 in code A. Winning an online tournament a million months ago = murders all foreigners easily? Here are some facts for you blind zealots. Go to liquipedia and look at his tournament wins. Wow, so many crazy 1st place finishes! If you want to ONLY go off of victories, Huk makes Thorzain look like a total scrub nub. What do I know though, I don't drink the European cool aid.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Thorzain


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Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 17:10:44
October 20 2011 17:09 GMT
#1410
On October 21 2011 01:27 Ventor wrote:
Stephano wins one tournament and gets as much credit as HuK who has won multiple tournaments and has stayed in Code S for many months... I'm pretty sure a player needs to do more than that to be crowned best foreigner. Same with Thorzain, 1 online tournament win.


Although I do agree with you to a certain amount.
Stephano was already hyped up before the tournament, it isnt as much this one win its people that watch him reguraly that know he is one very scary zerg (I can see their point).

But I feel its to easy to say that X players are the best atm. Think it will take a few years and a lot of tournaments before we can determen that kind of drastic accusations.

Also, Nerchio is very underrated in this thread, NERCHIO!!

edit: typo
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canSore
Profile Joined November 2010
132 Posts
October 20 2011 17:15 GMT
#1411
How the hell did huk get number 2
bad with girls, good with zerg
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
October 20 2011 17:18 GMT
#1412
this is what I posted the first day of MLG in the MLG live report thread



I'm still trying to figure out why HuK isn't considered the best overall foreigner and Protoss in the world by everyone....

and everyone said I was wrong and that I only think that because I am from the US
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 17:22:51
October 20 2011 17:19 GMT
#1413
Based on recent results, actually evaluating their gameplay, and of course, my personal opinion:

1) HuK
2) Stephano
3) IdrA

Maybe Thorzain at the fourth spot? Not too sure. It's a close pack behind the top three in my opinion. I put Stephano above IdrA because I believe that Stephano has as good of a ZvT as IdrA, much better ZvP, and a substantially better/more consistent ZvZ. (I would also bet on Stephano to win in a ZvZ BO3 against IdrA)
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
October 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#1414
It's really hard to place them in order.. For example Stephano could probably beat Huk but Huk can probably beat a lot of people Stephano can't.

I guess you have to rate them on recent tournament results

Huk
Stephano
Idra
Then it gets blurry...Thorzain perhaps
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mnck
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1518 Posts
October 20 2011 17:34 GMT
#1415
I love how currently one of each race is in top 3 That makes me happy. All the talk about the game being imbalanced I really think people put to much in ups and downs between the races and shifts in the metagame. Sure protoss is at a low right now, but MLG still ended up in a PvP finals. Ofc it was only a P that won becauseu IMMvp didn't show, but one guy being better doesnt make his race imbalanced.

My personal top 3 reflects the current top 3 in the poll:
ThorZain, HuK and Stephano. Hard to compare people's skill across races. They play very different styles and all have areas they really stand out in.
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QxGRockEr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States191 Posts
October 20 2011 19:48 GMT
#1416
ret should have more votes
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Vladix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands227 Posts
October 20 2011 19:51 GMT
#1417
On October 21 2011 04:48 QxGRockEr wrote:
ret should have more votes


Ret performs good atm, but lacks the top finishers i guess.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 20 2011 19:55 GMT
#1418
I'm just confused how stephano gets called better than Idra. I mean he has almost no results in comparison, and has just recently done well while Idra has been doing pretty well for basicly all of SC2 so far. It really feels like people have the syndrome of "omg this new player just popped up and did decently, he's the next bonjua!!" And don't get even half as excited for better players who have been doing better for longer, because they're not "new and fresh"

Stephano is obviously good and all, but you can't be serious in trying to put him above idra or huk when he just entered the tournament scene.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 20 2011 19:58 GMT
#1419
1) Huk
2) Idra/Stephano/Sen
3) Thorzain/Dimaga on a good day
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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
October 20 2011 20:00 GMT
#1420
On October 21 2011 02:19 OneOther wrote:
Based on recent results, actually evaluating their gameplay, and of course, my personal opinion:

1) HuK
2) Stephano
3) IdrA

Maybe Thorzain at the fourth spot? Not too sure. It's a close pack behind the top three in my opinion. I put Stephano above IdrA because I believe that Stephano has as good of a ZvT as IdrA, much better ZvP, and a substantially better/more consistent ZvZ. (I would also bet on Stephano to win in a ZvZ BO3 against IdrA)


I would probably agree with this. ThorZaIN seems a bit out of shape(?) at the moment. A while back i would have said he was the best foreigner (like when he 2-0d IdrA etc) however he did almost beat DongRaeGu in a bo5
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