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Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
October 20 2011 20:39 GMT
#1441
On October 21 2011 05:37 brain_ wrote:
I think IdrA is better than HuK at the moment, despite MLG's outcome. Lets be honest, could HuK have beaten Bomber? No way. HuK definitely earned his MLG win, but if IdrA hadn't knocked Bomber out, Bomber would have taken 1st place for sure.

I also think that IdrA is better than MC at the moment. IdrA lost because he had just played 8 of the most intense games we'd ever seen - five games vs Boxer ending in a 4-3 win, and three brutally long, razor-thin games against Bomber, all back to back. Nobody could play their best, or anything approaching their best, only minutes after an ordeal like that.


IdrA said it had nothing to do with being tired.
He said it was just his ZvP not being his best MU.
Think it was on ITG.
Always look on the bright side of life
Syben
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
October 20 2011 20:46 GMT
#1442
On October 21 2011 05:39 Deckkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 05:37 brain_ wrote:
I think IdrA is better than HuK at the moment, despite MLG's outcome. Lets be honest, could HuK have beaten Bomber? No way. HuK definitely earned his MLG win, but if IdrA hadn't knocked Bomber out, Bomber would have taken 1st place for sure.

I also think that IdrA is better than MC at the moment. IdrA lost because he had just played 8 of the most intense games we'd ever seen - five games vs Boxer ending in a 4-3 win, and three brutally long, razor-thin games against Bomber, all back to back. Nobody could play their best, or anything approaching their best, only minutes after an ordeal like that.


IdrA said it had nothing to do with being tired.
He said it was just his ZvP not being his best MU.
Think it was on ITG.


Not only that but I dont even remember the last time IdrA actually beat HuK in a tournament setting. It has been months if I recall. IdrA is getting good, but don't discount HuK so easily.
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 20 2011 20:47 GMT
#1443
On October 21 2011 05:39 ThatGuy89 wrote:
how can thorzain be top? seriously

sruely you have to judge this on results. And who on that list has more then HuK?


I dunno, maybe you can judge their play by watching them play?
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Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 20:02:39
October 23 2011 19:59 GMT
#1444
In term of recent results, it's obviously among Huk, Idra and Stephano

Now we can compare their respective resutlts

From http://www.sc2charts.net since september:

Stephano : 80W, 22L, win ratio 78.5% (20W, 9L, 69% win rate against koreans+HUK)
Huk : 35W, 22L, win ratio 61.5% (20w, 14L, 58.8% against koreans + stephano)
Idra : 60W, 33L, win ratio 64.5% (17w, 13L, 56.6% against koreans)

Now, if you judge on results only, I think it's pretty obvious who is the best. Stephano's winrate is just insane.

Personnaly, I agree with the post above mine, and it's better to judge after watching them play.
kofman
Profile Joined August 2011
Andorra698 Posts
October 23 2011 20:01 GMT
#1445
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners.
Jacob666
Profile Joined January 2011
United States285 Posts
October 23 2011 20:04 GMT
#1446
Think about it, pretty much all thorzain has done was winning TSL 3. There were plenty other big tournaments that huk idra and others did better then him at. i honestly dont see why thorzain is #1 when you look at results and recent activity.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 23 2011 20:06 GMT
#1447
The reason Thorzain was at the top of list is because the poll was taken just after his great performance at DH, and after a month in Korea. Right now it's pretty clearly between Stephano, HuK and Idra.
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ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 23 2011 20:08 GMT
#1448
you gotta notice that 90% of the votes were made before october, before IPL3, MLG, IEM, ESWC, Blizzcon and after Dreamhack Invitational Valencia.

Since the thread editor is permabanned, there wont be a new one i guess. maybe someone should copy the thread and make a 2nd pool, like in early november or so?
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 20:10:06
October 23 2011 20:09 GMT
#1449
On October 24 2011 05:06 MCDayC wrote:
The reason Thorzain was at the top of list is because the poll was taken just after his great performance at DH, and after a month in Korea. Right now it's pretty clearly between Stephano, HuK and Idra.


Well to be fair to Thorzain he has been sick the last 2 weeks he had a nasty troat infection at IPL. But I do agree Idra,Huk and Stephano seems to be ahead everyone els atm
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 23 2011 20:11 GMT
#1450
On October 24 2011 05:06 MCDayC wrote:
The reason Thorzain was at the top of list is because the poll was taken just after his great performance at DH, and after a month in Korea. Right now it's pretty clearly between Stephano, HuK and Idra.


Yup.

I wish we could get poll options to display votes over time as some kind of graph, would be interesting to track how things tend to trend.

That said Stephano obviously cemented his claim as one of the truly top foreigners this weekend, only Huk is a rival to him right now results-wise.

I'm predicting a Naniwa resurgence in these polls by the end of the year though.

Also worth noting that Sen finally shows back up in an event outside of Thailand and instantly delivers a big result. He's still very relevant in all these discussions.
Zazzles
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Slovakia153 Posts
October 23 2011 20:19 GMT
#1451
In my opinion

top 3 foreign zergs: Stephano, Idra, Sen
top 3 foreign protosses: Huk, Naniwa, Mana
top 3 foreign terrans: just Thorzain....
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NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
October 23 2011 20:22 GMT
#1452
On October 24 2011 05:19 Zazzles wrote:
In my opinion

top 3 foreign zergs: Stephano, Idra, Sen
top 3 foreign protosses: Huk, Naniwa, Mana
top 3 foreign terrans: just Thorzain....


Agree on this, but I don't know who's better between mana and sase. But I don't see any better foreign zergs then those 3.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 20:24:47
October 23 2011 20:22 GMT
#1453
On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners.


By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together.
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 23 2011 20:24 GMT
#1454
white-ra should be here
what's with the hate on Idra.

This is such a pointless thread though, it doesnt matter who the best foreigner is... it should just be who's doing well.
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Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
October 23 2011 20:24 GMT
#1455
On October 24 2011 05:19 Zazzles wrote:
In my opinion

top 3 foreign zergs: Stephano, Idra, Sen
top 3 foreign protosses: Huk, Naniwa, Mana
top 3 foreign terrans: just Thorzain....


jinro. demuslim. bratok. GOOOODY. there are a few who can at least compete.
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XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
October 23 2011 20:25 GMT
#1456
Huk & IdrA are pretty tied at the moment in my opinion, with Stephano a little behind them. I wonder whether Huk could've beaten Bomber if he had to face him in MLG Orlando, he did beat MC pretty convincingly in their first game on tal'darim however in the 4 gate vs 4 gate. Stephano has done very well but from my understanding he has yet to beat a player of Bomber or MC's caliber in a tournament and has lost games to slightly lower players like Kiwikaki and just recently NightEnD in the ESWC pool play, his ZvP in general seems a bit weak to put him among the other two top foreigners, but we'll see as he gets more opportunities to prove the extent of his abilities.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
October 23 2011 20:28 GMT
#1457
On October 24 2011 05:24 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 05:19 Zazzles wrote:
In my opinion

top 3 foreign zergs: Stephano, Idra, Sen
top 3 foreign protosses: Huk, Naniwa, Mana
top 3 foreign terrans: just Thorzain....


jinro. demuslim. bratok. GOOOODY. there are a few who can at least compete.



None of those guys you listed are close right no.

I would add Select maybe to that list? He had a pretty solid performance at Blizzcon.
As for a third terran? Uhm. Uh. Who cares, theres enough Korean terrans that we can count them as foreigners.
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AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
October 23 2011 20:29 GMT
#1458
On October 21 2011 05:39 Deckkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 05:37 brain_ wrote:
I think IdrA is better than HuK at the moment, despite MLG's outcome. Lets be honest, could HuK have beaten Bomber? No way. HuK definitely earned his MLG win, but if IdrA hadn't knocked Bomber out, Bomber would have taken 1st place for sure.

I also think that IdrA is better than MC at the moment. IdrA lost because he had just played 8 of the most intense games we'd ever seen - five games vs Boxer ending in a 4-3 win, and three brutally long, razor-thin games against Bomber, all back to back. Nobody could play their best, or anything approaching their best, only minutes after an ordeal like that.


IdrA said it had nothing to do with being tired.
He said it was just his ZvP not being his best MU.
Think it was on ITG.


Its a different matchup... terrans have a much harder time dealing with zerg then with protoss not to mention idras zvt looks crazy good... his zvp is a little lack luster
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Skillig
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium141 Posts
October 23 2011 20:29 GMT
#1459
stephano >huk>idra imo
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
October 23 2011 20:29 GMT
#1460
On October 24 2011 05:25 XenoX101 wrote:
Huk & IdrA are pretty tied at the moment in my opinion, with Stephano a little behind them. I wonder whether Huk could've beaten Bomber if he had to face him in MLG Orlando, he did beat MC pretty convincingly in their first game on tal'darim however in the 4 gate vs 4 gate. Stephano has done very well but from my understanding he has yet to beat a player of Bomber or MC's caliber in a tournament and has lost games to slightly lower players like Kiwikaki and just recently NightEnD in the ESWC pool play, his ZvP in general seems a bit weak to put him among the other two top foreigners, but we'll see as he gets more opportunities to prove the extent of his abilities.

He didnt lose to nightend, he started 0-1 because he was late for his match.
His ZvP is awesome tbfh
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