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On October 24 2011 05:36 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:31 HappyChris wrote:On October 24 2011 05:25 XenoX101 wrote:
Huk & IdrA are pretty tied at the moment in my opinion, with Stephano a little behind them. I wonder whether Huk could've beaten Bomber if he had to face him in MLG Orlando, he did beat MC pretty convincingly in their first game on tal'darim however in the 4 gate vs 4 gate. Stephano has done very well but from my understanding he has yet to beat a player of Bomber or MC's caliber in a tournament and has lost games to slightly lower players like Kiwikaki and just recently NightEnD in the ESWC pool play, his ZvP in general seems a bit weak to put him among the other two top foreigners, but we'll see as he gets more opportunities to prove the extent of his abilities. How can you list Idra and Huk over Stephano when none of them have won 2 major lans in his last 3 lans. I would say they are equal. Maybe stephano is slightly ahead. The guy won more money in the last 2 weeks then any other foreigner since release But its hard to say Idra,Stephano,Huk all 3 are amasing Lol, perhaps because just a couple months ago HuK HAD won 2 of the last three major lans and NOW he's won MLG Providence too. Dunno if I'd consider idra to be on the same tier yet but he's close, and yeah stephano is amazing too
HuK won Providence? Well, than this ends this discussion he's the best.
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1. HuK
2. Stephano
3. Sen
4.-5. NaNiwa/IdrA
6.-7. ThorZaiN/ret
8.-9. SeleCT (if you count him as a non-korean)/SaSe
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Stephano has won the most prize money of any foreigner.
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Thorzain get's rick rolled by Idra in every match they meet in a tournament. Also Stephano is a bit overrated and I do not think the ESWC is a good reference since they did not use player booths and the casters were casting the game over the loud speaker in FRENCH. Probably the most deserving people and actual best are Naniwa, Huk, and Sen who each have proven it through their consistency in winning and placing well in tournaments. Most of the other people on the list have had times when they were knocked out rather early or by someone who shouldn't of beat them, while Naniwa, Huk, and Sen pretty much make it to round of 8 in every tournament they enter and are rarely caught by an upset.
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On October 24 2011 05:50 kofman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:43 1Eris1 wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. Rofl what? Thats a terrible comparison. It's not like Stephano knocked out Idra and HuK. Idra and Huk placed higher then Stephano at MLG, guess they are better than Stephano. MLG was before ESWC. Idra and Huk were better than Stephano then, but now, he is better, since he placed higher at the most recent tournament. It should also be noted that ESWC is a MUCH bigger tournament that MLG, with more than 5x the prize money for 1st place.
You cannot be serious. Please tell me you're joking.
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I mean its easier to have a relative top of each race than a definitive best:
Terran: Thorzain
Zerg: IdrA/Stephano
Protoss: Huk (maybe Mana)
I mean they will shift from position but the game is volatile enough to not be set at good/better/best.. I mean LiveZerg beat Idra -.-
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On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting.
All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better.
Please, how it that not accurate?
Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting.
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Results wise its huk for me hes also in code s which shows alot.
Whitera is my fav foreigner by far as a personailty and just an allround awsome guy.
Sen also seemed very good at blizzcon but I don't watch the tesl so not really sure, how hes doing overall.
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On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting.
Too bad MLG is 5k dollar and you have a better chance of winning by being already in pool.
Seriously Stephano just won 70k dollars in three weeks XD.
People are underestimating him it's crazy
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On October 24 2011 05:52 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:50 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:43 1Eris1 wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. Rofl what? Thats a terrible comparison. It's not like Stephano knocked out Idra and HuK. Idra and Huk placed higher then Stephano at MLG, guess they are better than Stephano. MLG was before ESWC. Idra and Huk were better than Stephano then, but now, he is better, since he placed higher at the most recent tournament. It should also be noted that ESWC is a MUCH bigger tournament that MLG, with more than 5x the prize money for 1st place. You cannot be serious. Please tell me you're joking.
I'm serious.
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I'd say Stephano due to his recent wins. His play is very impressive, it's solid, standard and hard to find mistakes in his play. Huk might be the only one to rival his skill in my opinion.
Idra and Mana kinda comes close but still a bit away in my opinion.
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On October 24 2011 05:52 kofman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting. All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better. Please, how it that not accurate? Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting.
Where in my post did I say I even like Idra?
HuK did not attend ESWC.
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Man. Idra has as many haters as he does lovers.
These polls are pointless, nobody votes the truth just who their favorite is.
HuK currently has the best results from any foreigner has to be in top 3 for the sole reason he is a code s player when no other foreigner is. He also won 2 of like his last 3 LAN events. So yea, HuK without a questions has to be up there.
I think the Sen is better than Idra/Stephano but Idra/Stephano have more recent results. Sen can't really be put on a list untill he starts playing tourneys like he did in the past. Thorzain shows potential, but no results.
HuK
Idra (his game vs bomber most people considered the finals of mlg)
Stephano/Mana
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On October 24 2011 05:53 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:52 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting. All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better. Please, how it that not accurate? Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting. Where in my post did I say I even like Idra? HuK did not attend ESWC.
Stephano is the best foreigner. Period.
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On October 24 2011 05:54 kofman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:53 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:52 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting. All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better. Please, how it that not accurate? Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting. Where in my post did I say I even like Idra? HuK did not attend ESWC. Stephano is the best foreigner. Period.
Well I can tell this is a pointless argument. I won't be bothered to respond any more.
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On October 24 2011 05:25 XenoX101 wrote:
Huk & IdrA are pretty tied at the moment in my opinion, with Stephano a little behind them. I wonder whether Huk could've beaten Bomber if he had to face him in MLG Orlando, he did beat MC pretty convincingly in their first game on tal'darim however in the 4 gate vs 4 gate. Stephano has done very well but from my understanding he has yet to beat a player of Bomber or MC's caliber in a tournament and has lost games to slightly lower players like Kiwikaki and just recently NightEnD in the ESWC pool play, his ZvP in general seems a bit weak to put him among the other two top foreigners, but we'll see as he gets more opportunities to prove the extent of his abilities.
Stephano has weak ZvP? He has beaten HuK quite a few times, 3-1 Mana a few hours ago, (no he didn't lose to NightEnd btw) statistically its his best matchup. His style is super solid (just roach/ling hydra corruptor, no gimmicks) but with really amazing expansion timings. As for beating top players, he recently beat MKP at ESWC, is he good enough?
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On October 24 2011 05:54 kofman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:53 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:52 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting. All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better. Please, how it that not accurate? Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting. Where in my post did I say I even like Idra? HuK did not attend ESWC. Stephano is the best foreigner. Period.
1 tournament win means pretty much nothing. Def top 3. But you can't make that kinda claim till the dude can actually win or at least place high a few times in a row. He went off his ipl3 win to not do shit in mlg. Just like thorzain did after tsl
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sucks for huk that he won MLG though, prize pool is so bad and it's the hardest tourney GSL aside
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On October 24 2011 05:55 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:54 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:53 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:52 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting. All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better. Please, how it that not accurate? Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting. Where in my post did I say I even like Idra? HuK did not attend ESWC. Stephano is the best foreigner. Period. Well I can tell this is a pointless argument. I won't be bothered to respond any more.
Thanks for finally understanding that Stephano is the best foreinger.
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On October 24 2011 05:56 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 05:54 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:53 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:52 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:41 Dodgin wrote:On October 24 2011 05:38 kofman wrote:On October 24 2011 05:22 MonkSEA wrote:On October 24 2011 05:01 kofman wrote:
After recent tournaments, its pretty obvious the answer is stephano. He has won both the ipl and the eswc, which featured many top koreans are well as top foreigners. By top koreans in ESWC you mean MKP? I wouldn't even put him in the top 5 Terrans anymore. Sorry but you should of looked at the roster before you pluralized Koreans. It should of been separated from IPL all together. Idra, Thorzain, and MC also went to ESWC, and Stephano ended up winning it. That means that Stephano is better than Thorzain and Idra, who along with Huk, are probably the only contenders to position of being the best foreigner. MC and MKP are both top Koreans, so therefore the word "Koreans" is correct. All three went to MLG Orlando and Idra and HuK placed higher. See how easy it is to spin that? Blind fanboyism is disgusting. All three went to ESWC and Stephano placed higher. Therefore, he is better. Please, how it that not accurate? Just so you know, I'm not a Stephano fanboy. I just think hes the best foreigner. Idra fanboys like you are disgusting. Where in my post did I say I even like Idra? HuK did not attend ESWC. Stephano is the best foreigner. Period. 1 tournament win means pretty much nothing. Def top 3. But you can't make that kinda claim till the dude can actually win or at least place high a few times in a row. He went off his ipl3 win to not do shit in mlg. Just like thorzain did after tsl
stephano won 2 tourneys
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