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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 15:45:58
September 26 2011 15:45 GMT
#941
On September 27 2011 00:27 blackone wrote:
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On September 27 2011 00:26 freewareplayer wrote:
why the *** would you put idra on tha list? And look how many fanboiz actually voted on him....

Dont get me wrong, the guy is good, but definetly shouldnt even be a choice for top foreigner right now.

Idra is polarizing. He would also be very high in a "who's the worst player in the world" poll. Hell, he would be high on any poll you could imagine.

"Who is the most well-mannered pro player?"

SlayerSBoxer
White-Ra
Sheth
Idra


bam! :p
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 15:47:12
September 26 2011 15:46 GMT
#942
On September 27 2011 00:20 Vul wrote:
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On September 26 2011 23:26 icarly wrote:
On September 26 2011 23:06 Athrun wrote:
I'd have to agree with Dawg_snow about Blasphemi trolling on every thread where stephano's name comes up. That having been said, I voted Thorzain, but I was torn between him, Huk, Mana, and Stephano. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he doesn't deserve to be on this list.


Stephano qualified for IPL-- beating several good players including MMA

Just dominated the FXO invitational and won the Scan invitational, beating Socke Kas and Tod a combined 7-1.

Good perfomances in cups every week, and you're labeling him as nothing but a good ladder run-- which not to mention 62-1 is pretty freakin good on the 2nd hardest server in the world.


Online qualifiers are still online qualifiers and we've learned that you can't take them that seriously.



How so ?

Just look at the results of the other online qualifiers for major tournaments:
TSL3: all players in the Ro4 have won a TLopen
NASL season1: Puma won the online qualifier, ... just before winning whole tourney.

Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 15:49:36
September 26 2011 15:48 GMT
#943
You can separate tournament wins from player skill, you know. A player can be the best in the world and not win a single tournament.

Just look at Clide.


+ Show Spoiler +
People in this thread need to loosen up. :p
atomic55
Profile Joined March 2011
United States42 Posts
September 26 2011 15:55 GMT
#944
Lol, this is what happens when u put idra on a list. He clearly doesnt belong there but he gets 260 votes because of all the fanboys. Players such as Dimaga, Ret, and Naniwa get overlooked when they clearly should be at the top of the list.
Terran is Op. Thats not an opinion thats a Fact.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 15:56:12
September 26 2011 15:55 GMT
#945
On September 27 2011 00:46 Elean wrote:
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On September 27 2011 00:20 Vul wrote:
On September 26 2011 23:26 icarly wrote:
On September 26 2011 23:06 Athrun wrote:
I'd have to agree with Dawg_snow about Blasphemi trolling on every thread where stephano's name comes up. That having been said, I voted Thorzain, but I was torn between him, Huk, Mana, and Stephano. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he doesn't deserve to be on this list.


Stephano qualified for IPL-- beating several good players including MMA

Just dominated the FXO invitational and won the Scan invitational, beating Socke Kas and Tod a combined 7-1.

Good perfomances in cups every week, and you're labeling him as nothing but a good ladder run-- which not to mention 62-1 is pretty freakin good on the 2nd hardest server in the world.


Online qualifiers are still online qualifiers and we've learned that you can't take them that seriously.



How so ?

Just look at the results of the other online qualifiers for major tournaments:
TSL3: all players in the Ro4 have won a TLopen
NASL season1: Puma won the online qualifier, ... just before winning whole tourney.


Ok, and now look the other way.
How many ppl won games against koreans online but not so much offline?
oh and since when is TSL3 a lan? or am i missing something?
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
September 26 2011 15:57 GMT
#946
On September 27 2011 00:20 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 23:26 icarly wrote:
On September 26 2011 23:06 Athrun wrote:
I'd have to agree with Dawg_snow about Blasphemi trolling on every thread where stephano's name comes up. That having been said, I voted Thorzain, but I was torn between him, Huk, Mana, and Stephano. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he doesn't deserve to be on this list.


Stephano qualified for IPL-- beating several good players including MMA

Just dominated the FXO invitational and won the Scan invitational, beating Socke Kas and Tod a combined 7-1.

Good perfomances in cups every week, and you're labeling him as nothing but a good ladder run-- which not to mention 62-1 is pretty freakin good on the 2nd hardest server in the world.


Personally I'm going to suspend my judgment of Stephano until I can see him play in the IPL. Online qualifiers are still online qualifiers and we've learned that you can't take them that seriously.

I think Huk is the best foreigner because he has by far the best results in the GSL. Huk has been in code S for a while now, and made it to the ro8 recently, meanwhile Thorzain and Naniwa can't get out of Code A ro32.



Where does it say that we can only use GSL performance as a reference?
Thorzain manhandled Huk the last BO3 they played.
We make signature, then defense it.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
September 26 2011 15:58 GMT
#947
On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.
We make signature, then defense it.
darlhet
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy548 Posts
September 26 2011 16:13 GMT
#948
On September 27 2011 00:58 grobo wrote:
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On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.

yet huk played really well and thorzain did not, making tons of mistakes
"i feel like im wasting your time" qxc to whitera after getting crushed 0-4
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 16:17:03
September 26 2011 16:14 GMT
#949
On September 26 2011 07:38 Blasphemi wrote:
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On September 26 2011 04:00 Paladia wrote:
On September 26 2011 00:06 Blasphemi wrote:
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote:
On September 25 2011 23:25 Spicy Pepper wrote:
How many foreigners could be top 100 on KR ladder?

We know Huk can, so that's one.

Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while.

The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same.



So when Naniwa, Sase and Thorzain get opponents even easier than the ones Huk is in a group with in Code S and proceed to lose to them (generally 2-0), what exactly does that say about them?

Please state which players Thorzain, SaSe and Naniwa has had in their group and lost to 0-2 but Huk has had in his Code S group and won against. Or did you just make that up?

Regardless, No need to take a way around it and bring in some third party (with some flawed logic of paper beat stone, and stone beat scissors, so paper must own scissors!!11).

Thorzain and Huk has faced each other several times. Twice in the past few days, at Dreamhack, in which Thorzain won convincingly and in the EG Masters Cup, where Thorzain also won, both were best of threes. As far as I know, they've faced each other three times in public and Thorzain has won each time.

As such, I take Thorzain for the stronger player than Huk, though they are quite close.

That logic retarded as it only proves who is better in PvT. For example MMA usually beats Nestea but Nestea is a better player because Sc2 is not all about one matchup.

On a side note, if you have to throw insults around, it is because your point isn't good enough. As for who is the better player, them facing off and seeing the results is far superior to determine who is the better player than your method (throwing insults and flames around stating who you think is the best). Facts are always better than opinions.

However, if you want opinions. Boxer said in an interview that Thorzain is the player he most likes to watch. MMA said at MLG that Thorzain is the best foreigner. DongRaeGu said in the TL Attack last week that he considers Thorzain to be the best foreigner. Of course, the facts and the opinion of MMA, Boxer and DRG could all be wrong and you be right due to flaming more. Perhaps if you continue to throw even more insults in your next post, you will be even more right.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
September 26 2011 16:28 GMT
#950
On September 27 2011 01:13 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 00:58 grobo wrote:
On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.

yet huk played really well and thorzain did not, making tons of mistakes


i see what you did there.
let me guess: you play protoss in platinum?^^
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
September 26 2011 16:31 GMT
#951
On September 27 2011 01:13 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 00:58 grobo wrote:
On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.

yet huk played really well and thorzain did not, making tons of mistakes


I see, playing the "Toss is underpowered"-card. cute
We make signature, then defense it.
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
September 26 2011 16:37 GMT
#952
Seems like half of the people are hating on idra just to jump on the bandwagon , he's a good player with solid mechanics. Get over it.

That being said , I voted for sen although he hasn't been in the spot light lately.

Btw , did stephano do anything signifcant to deserve to place so high among all those incredible players? ( ret , naniwa) or is this more like a popularity poll.
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
September 26 2011 16:39 GMT
#953
On September 27 2011 00:45 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 00:27 blackone wrote:
On September 27 2011 00:26 freewareplayer wrote:
why the *** would you put idra on tha list? And look how many fanboiz actually voted on him....

Dont get me wrong, the guy is good, but definetly shouldnt even be a choice for top foreigner right now.

Idra is polarizing. He would also be very high in a "who's the worst player in the world" poll. Hell, he would be high on any poll you could imagine.

"Who is the most well-mannered pro player?"

SlayerSBoxer
White-Ra
Sheth


I think White-Ra wins that.

Sheth and BoxeR both seem to like sarcastic, subtle, but really harsh insults once in a while.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
September 26 2011 16:52 GMT
#954
I think Stephano and Mana are the best atm. Idra was in top 10, maybe even top 3, a year ago but now he is not even in top 20 imho.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
September 26 2011 17:03 GMT
#955
protoss: Mana
zerg: Stephano
terran: Thorzain

After the Homestory Cup I would have picked Huk, but I don't know how to rate Huk. I've never seen a good PvT game of him, at least no good macro game, and his last performances outside of Korea were horrible.
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
September 26 2011 17:13 GMT
#956
On September 27 2011 00:58 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.

One BO3 is the end all be all sure is.

Analyze 10 replays and see what they are doing.
What does it matter how I loose it?
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 26 2011 17:13 GMT
#957
Lol @ all the Idra hate. It seems he's all everyone can talk about.

Changing the subject, I feel Sheth should be there instead of Ret ... and Demuslim instead of Kas.
Also, I haven't seen Dimaga play in a while, so Idk how he's doing.
I'm not convinced about Stephano (even though TL seems to love him) and Naniwa, though I'm not sure who I'd replace them with. Major, Fenix, Sjow maybe?
Bora Pain minha porra!
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 26 2011 19:08 GMT
#958
Idra really suffers from the fact he mostly plays good players. I don't think any foreigner except Huk has to play as many Koreans as Idra does. Idra also doesn't play many if any small tournaments and thus isn't able to boost his reputation by crushing much lesser players.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 19:17:17
September 26 2011 19:17 GMT
#959
On September 27 2011 02:13 Percutio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 00:58 grobo wrote:
On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.

One BO3 is the end all be all sure is.

Analyze 10 replays and see what they are doing.


Smashed huk in the ass in the EG Master Cup as well. Looked about the same as Dreamhack. Thorzain only lost when he went for the all-in. For some reason Thorzain doesn't seem very proficient with doing them, lost horribly to Genius in the gstl as well when he could have easily taken him in a straight up game.
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Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
September 26 2011 19:17 GMT
#960
On September 27 2011 02:13 Percutio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 00:58 grobo wrote:
On September 27 2011 00:26 Percutio wrote:
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.


Watching their last BO3 all i'm seeing is Thorzain completely crushing huk.

One BO3 is the end all be all sure is.

Analyze 10 replays and see what they are doing.

Thorzain has won against Huk in all their official encounters.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
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