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icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 14:26:55
September 26 2011 14:26 GMT
#921
On September 26 2011 23:06 Athrun wrote:
I'd have to agree with Dawg_snow about Blasphemi trolling on every thread where stephano's name comes up. That having been said, I voted Thorzain, but I was torn between him, Huk, Mana, and Stephano. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he doesn't deserve to be on this list.


Stephano qualified for IPL-- beating several good players including MMA

Just dominated the FXO invitational and won the Scan invitational, beating Socke Kas and Tod a combined 7-1.

Good perfomances in cups every week, and you're labeling him as nothing but a good ladder run-- which not to mention 62-1 is pretty freakin good on the 2nd hardest server in the world.
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
September 26 2011 14:38 GMT
#922
Ret is just plain never gonna get credit for anything, I don't know why
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Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
September 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#923
True, ret has the best fucking macro.. If he wants to he can become the best easily..
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Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
September 26 2011 14:49 GMT
#924
Best one is HuK or Thorzain (voted for him) but Stephano is scary even though he wasn't in Korea (yet) and his potential is just huuuuuge. IdrA should be tilted off that list (sadly love you Greg) and Demuslim should be added because he is on such a high level even though he was injured for eternity...

On September 26 2011 23:38 EnderSword wrote:
Ret is just plain never gonna get credit for anything, I don't know why

Probably because he isn't the lucky one who gets a place in a big MLG stream when he plays, so you rarely see his play which is sad because I get a nerdboner everytime he does this crazy 4 hatch expand on tal darim!
OzVelas
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria516 Posts
September 26 2011 14:54 GMT
#925
On September 26 2011 23:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
So much talk about Stephano. Please stop it. At the moment he is a nobody with a good ladder run.


It was so funny to see Spanish people hype Lucifron and than he choked in front of DRG and he looked like a diamond player.

So shhhhhhh!

On topic, Thorzain all the way. Huk second.

Idra is not what he can be.


Thorzaid said stephano is the best foreign zerg !

T : Thorzain
P : Mana Huk
Z : Stephano Morrow
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
September 26 2011 14:56 GMT
#926
best =! most successful


On September 26 2011 19:51 OhMyGawd wrote:
so much hate in this thread...even to our beloved mc and idra

I hope that "beloved" isn't supposed to extend to Idra.


There are large parts of the community that agree that a mentally weak, bad mannered player like Idra should not be respected, and much less beloved.
Athrun
Profile Joined August 2011
Philippines16 Posts
September 26 2011 14:57 GMT
#927
@icarly: Yep, I just don't get it. Just ignore him. The most important opinion anyway is that of the pros, and MMA himself has said that Stephano is recognized in Korea as one of the top five foreigners, but that was a month or two ago which means that he'd have a higher regard for him now. Maybe Blasphemi knows something that the pros don't.
"I said I was addicted. I didnt say I had a problem." - House
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
September 26 2011 14:58 GMT
#928
I guess it has to be Huk. The only way you can compare the players is to judge results and Huk is the most decorated. However I still find it silly to distinguish him as a "foreigner" since he entered Korea as a pretty cheesy all-in player and evolved his game into a very Korean standard Protoss game. He is foreigner by nationality alone -- not training.
Wat
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3546 Posts
September 26 2011 15:07 GMT
#929
How did Sase get on this list instead of white-ra? Stephano only got so many votes because with some recent wins and the "stephanos ladderun thread" everyone jumped on the bandwagon, not because he is deserving of that title with zero lan wins. Idra has placed better in GSL than any other foreigner except perhaps HuK, Jinro got semifinals in two GSLs and won MLG Dallas but isn't even on this list...I can keep listing problems with this thread....Sase and Stephano aren't nearly as deserving of title of best foreigner as Jinro, HuK, Idra, White-ra, or Ret, not by a long shot. Once hes done with his 5 minutes of fame everyone will forget about him for the next 6 months.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9384 Posts
September 26 2011 15:13 GMT
#930
On September 26 2011 19:31 Tryxtira wrote:
I feel that SjoW should really be on that list instead of for example Kas. I think SjoW is probably top7 foreigners or something like that.. It's hard to not say HuK though, his results speak for themselves..


Dude stop you bias. YOu have no idea what your talking about. Kas mechanics are so much better than sjows.
OzVelas
Profile Joined September 2011
Bulgaria516 Posts
September 26 2011 15:14 GMT
#931
On September 27 2011 00:07 goswser wrote:
How did Sase get on this list instead of white-ra? Stephano only got so many votes because with some recent wins and the "stephanos ladderun thread" everyone jumped on the bandwagon, not because he is deserving of that title with zero lan wins. Idra has placed better in GSL than any other foreigner except perhaps HuK, Jinro got semifinals in two GSLs and won MLG Dallas but isn't even on this list...I can keep listing problems with this thread....Sase and Stephano aren't nearly as deserving of title of best foreigner as Jinro, HuK, Idra, White-ra, or Ret, not by a long shot. Once hes done with his 5 minutes of fame everyone will forget about him for the next 6 months.


Who is in your opinion the best foreigner (non chinese, if that would make a difference) at the moment?

FD is still the best z in your eyes ?
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
September 26 2011 15:19 GMT
#932
On September 26 2011 23:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
So much talk about Stephano. Please stop it. At the moment he is a nobody with a good ladder run.


It was so funny to see Spanish people hype Lucifron and than he choked in front of DRG and he looked like a diamond player.

So shhhhhhh!

On topic, Thorzain all the way. Huk second.

Idra is not what he can be.

But well, as you said lucifron choked, you can't say that is his average play.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 26 2011 15:20 GMT
#933
On September 26 2011 23:26 icarly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 23:06 Athrun wrote:
I'd have to agree with Dawg_snow about Blasphemi trolling on every thread where stephano's name comes up. That having been said, I voted Thorzain, but I was torn between him, Huk, Mana, and Stephano. I'm a huge Idra fan, but he doesn't deserve to be on this list.


Stephano qualified for IPL-- beating several good players including MMA

Just dominated the FXO invitational and won the Scan invitational, beating Socke Kas and Tod a combined 7-1.

Good perfomances in cups every week, and you're labeling him as nothing but a good ladder run-- which not to mention 62-1 is pretty freakin good on the 2nd hardest server in the world.


Personally I'm going to suspend my judgment of Stephano until I can see him play in the IPL. Online qualifiers are still online qualifiers and we've learned that you can't take them that seriously.

I think Huk is the best foreigner because he has by far the best results in the GSL. Huk has been in code S for a while now, and made it to the ro8 recently, meanwhile Thorzain and Naniwa can't get out of Code A ro32.

Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
September 26 2011 15:23 GMT
#934
On September 27 2011 00:13 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 19:31 Tryxtira wrote:
I feel that SjoW should really be on that list instead of for example Kas. I think SjoW is probably top7 foreigners or something like that.. It's hard to not say HuK though, his results speak for themselves..


Dude stop you bias. YOu have no idea what your talking about. Kas mechanics are so much better than sjows.



Kas may have better mechanics but Sjow has better decision making
Wat
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
September 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#935
Watch HuK vs Thorzain replays and you will quickly realize why HuK is the best foreigner at the moment.

Thorzain gives good games and I would say is easily the second best and has the highest untapped potential, but HuK isn't the type to slow down either.
What does it matter how I loose it?
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
September 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#936
why the *** would you put idra on tha list? And look how many fanboiz actually voted on him....

Dont get me wrong, the guy is good, but definetly shouldnt even be a choice for top foreigner right now.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
September 26 2011 15:27 GMT
#937
On September 27 2011 00:26 freewareplayer wrote:
why the *** would you put idra on tha list? And look how many fanboiz actually voted on him....

Dont get me wrong, the guy is good, but definetly shouldnt even be a choice for top foreigner right now.

Idra is polarizing. He would also be very high in a "who's the worst player in the world" poll. Hell, he would be high on any poll you could imagine.
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
September 26 2011 15:29 GMT
#938
definitely (T)ThorZaIN and (P)HuK, Who have both shown they can play great games against the best of the koreans.

the other player that i really think would be on this list if he played against koreans more often would be (Z)DIMAGA. he unfortunately does not make it into a lot of the tournaments that i watch so I can't say he is best, but when I do see him play I really like to see what kind of stuff he does.
Schenkee
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland322 Posts
September 26 2011 15:30 GMT
#939
Huk as he has the best results
ElTiozo
Profile Joined March 2011
France43 Posts
September 26 2011 15:30 GMT
#940
Stephano has had good results on LAN. He played only a few international events though. Only 2 Ian events I guess :
Homestory cup, ended #5, beating Huk, Insolence, Jinro, Xlord & White-Ra; losing to thorzain & mc
Assembly Summer, ended #3, beating Satinii, biGs, Bratok, Sen, Seiplo and losing to Dimaga

So you can't really say he is only "online" ...

Anyway, my money is still on Thorzain, with Stephano and Naniwa/Huk not far behind.
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