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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:31 Hierarch wrote: I've heard of him + Show Spoiler + and he lost 0-2 to DRG in AOL And is 3-3 overall against him. Wouldn't call that "outperforming", both are very solid at this matchup. Also barely won 3-2 vs scfou back in that lg thing. not sure what his record vs mma is (just naming off some top tvz'ers who don't get "destroyed" vs drg. Like I said though they're all top tier at this matchup | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:28 rysecake wrote: Falsehood, surely you must have heard of mister immvp who just lost 0-2 vs drg. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
honestly idra shouldnt be on the list. nowadays hes just a hyped up 2ndrate player. since come back from korea his results have gotten worse and worse. my opinion not fact  | ||
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critique
United States135 Posts
Don't get me wrong, Thorzain is a hell of a player, but he lost in code A ro 32. For me results trump all other considerations, so the only foreigner competing in the toughest tournament in the world is, by default, the best foreigner. | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:36 rysecake wrote: And is 3-3 overall against him. Wouldn't call that "outperforming", both are very solid at this matchup. Also barely won 3-2 vs scfou back in that lg thing. not sure what his record vs mma is (just naming off some top tvz'ers who don't get "destroyed" vs drg. Like I said though they're all top tier at this matchup At that time sC had just barely lost 2-3 to NesTea and had the sickest 2 rax going, so not surprising. He's the only zerg to consistently take games and matches off these top TvZ players also it seems. I think he's 3-3 with MMA? | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
 ThorZaIN,  NaNiwa, and  Stephano which works really well since it represents of all three races. I'd have picked HuK over NaNiwa if HuK made it out of his ezpz group. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On September 25 2011 00:51 Denzil wrote: I haven't been up to date with Stephano lately but what has he done against Koreans? The only thing I think I can remember is him getting crushed by MC at HSC he just destroyed MMA. Like it wasnt even close. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:44 critique wrote: Huk is in Code S. Thorzain is not. Don't get me wrong, Thorzain is a hell of a player, but he lost in code A ro 32. For me results trump all other considerations, so the only foreigner competing in the toughest tournament in the world is, by default, the best foreigner. That's a poor argument, it just forgoes all analysis. If you want to say that you could say he shouldn't be in Code S because he got knocked out by MC who isnt even in Code A now. But that of course would be stupid because you have to analyze the games and careers of the players. When I think of sen and thorzain I think of two players I would bet on to beat huk especially with the state of protoss relatively easily. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:08 Hierarch wrote: He's in the up and downs atm along with Puzzle T_T no, he is not, he is the only protoss with 100% chance of being in code S next season | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:48 Juanald wrote: you really should have added an other option sense you left out a lot of our high level players. EG.Machine , EG.LzGaMeR mOoNgLaDe coL.CaTz and coL. Drewbie to name a few ehm... machine and lzgamer are not nearly at that level. but yeah, its sadly impossible to name more then 12 players @ polls. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On September 25 2011 08:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: See now I never really got why people have this perception about Thorzain. I recall many who used to say he's only good in a TSL setting where he has at least a week to prepare for his next match, even after he went 9th at MLG (losing to MC and taking two more games off him in the process) and barely losing out to July and Hasu for his Dreamhack group. More recently, he's done pretty well in the GSTL for a foreigner, which exposes you to a variety of different opponents giving you little preparation. He also came in second at the Dreamhack invitational. Willing to bet he'll roflstomp his IPL3 group as well :p. He's good on short notice but he does better when he gets to prepare for his opponent. In Dreamhack, he had a general idea of who he was playing since there's only 8 people. In TSL, he knew exactly who he was playing and had time to prepare a lot so he dominated everyone inthat tournament. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
On September 25 2011 11:04 DiaBoLuS wrote: ehm... machine and lzgamer are not nearly at that level. but yeah, its sadly impossible to name more then 12 players @ polls. Isn't he trolling? | ||
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critique
United States135 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:48 Juanald wrote: you really should have added an other option sense you left out a lot of our high level players. EG.Machine , EG.LzGaMeR mOoNgLaDe coL.CaTz and coL. Drewbie to name a few Seriously? I love EG's SC2 team. I think they are a chill bunch of guys that are dead serious about working their asses off to get better. But what have Machine and Lzgamer done that would possibly merit a place in the 'best foreigner' discusion? Niether of them have put up any result that wold remotely qualify them for the discussion; ditto for moonglade and catz. Drewbie has shown some good MLG results, so if you squint your eyes and take a few shots you may be able to convince yourself he belongs in a discussion with Huk and Naniwa (people who have, you known, won MLGs). But Catz, Moonglade, Machine, and Lzgamer have not done anything that would merit a comparison to the top foreigners mentioned in the OP. | ||
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LRObot
United States153 Posts
I believe the strongest contender would be HuK. | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:52 Sub40APM wrote: he just destroyed MMA. Like it wasnt even close. Online tournament. Fenix said last week he could barely play in NASL due to the lag. | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 25 2011 11:17 critique wrote: Seriously? I love EG's SC2 team. I think they are a chill bunch of guys that are dead serious about working their asses off to get better. But what have Machine and Lzgamer done that would possibly merit a place in the 'best foreigner' discusion? Niether of them have put up any result that wold remotely qualify them for the discussion; ditto for moonglade and catz. Drewbie has shown some good MLG results, so if you squint your eyes and take a few shots you may be able to convince yourself he belongs in a discussion with Huk and Naniwa (people who have, you known, won MLGs). But Catz, Moonglade, Machine, and Lzgamer have not done anything that would merit a comparison to the top foreigners mentioned in the OP. do i have to remind you about the drewbie vs europe series? 3 to 17 maps. not even the TOP of europe. just saying ^^ But yeah, drewbie, moonglade and catz are closer then machine and especially LzGamer (who doesnt even knoe what race he rly plays  )And i LOVE EG. | ||
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Ozell
Canada105 Posts
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 25 2011 11:21 Blasphemi wrote: Online tournament. Fenix said last week he could barely play in NASL due to the lag. agree, especially if youre not used to. BUT: MMA said himself how impressed he was with stephano. and its not like its his only achievement^^ Lets just w8 for IPL3 - i expect at elast top 16 from stephano - best foreigner in that tour. | ||
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