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On September 25 2011 10:06 rpgalon wrote:
huk have a good chance of being the only protoss in the whole code S next seasion, I think he is the best foreigner.
He's in the up and downs atm along with Puzzle T_T
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On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements.
tbh, he was quite lucky with his groups in most main tournaments so far and ofc hes #3 in my ranking even, but you cannot denie he got a lot of luck in some tours and gsl groups. He would never requalify for code S if he would drop now... no chance.
My ranking is:
#1 ThorZaiN
TSL winner, 2-0 HerO, 2-1 HuK, 2-3 DRG (who beat MVP 2-0) in Dreamhack inv. Train in SlayerS house.
#2 Stephano
3rd in assembly losing 2-3 to dimaga unluckily, 2-0 vs huk @ hsc3, winning ipl3 qualifier #3 over MMA (who said hes top 3 zerg... i dont agree with that btw), insane ladder record and getting better and better with every week of progaming.
#3 HuK
Dreamhack winner, good performance overall and in GSL, although some grid and groupluck. still the best foreign protoss atm.
after that comes: Sen, Mana, Naniwa, Select for ME.
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On September 25 2011 10:04 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:59 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. Thorzain performed extremely well in Korea when he was there and took DRG down to the wire at DH while beating HuK in that same tournament. Right now, Thorzain is playing at the highest level of any foreigner. Thorzain lost more games than he won in Korea. That is performing 'extremely well'? Thorzain was outplayed by DRG. He got some lucky spawns and looked worse than DRG even in the games he won. Every terran is outperformed by DRG, His 1st trip to Korea and performing the way he did? I see that as performing extremely well, he only got roflstomped in 1 game iirc and that was due to banshees. Also his code A match was the day after he landed so none of the foreigners performed well in those.
Bad excuses for their code a failure. Koreans win every LAN under those conditions. Thorzain was outclassed by Yugioh playing dated and one dimensional strats.
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Thorzain is the best foreigner atm.
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On September 25 2011 10:08 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:06 rpgalon wrote:
huk have a good chance of being the only protoss in the whole code S next seasion, I think he is the best foreigner. He's in the up and downs atm along with Puzzle T_T
he got 3rd and therefore stays in code S. #4 is up and down, #3 is stay, #1 and #2 is ro32.
thats why its harder to drop from code S then to qualify for it.
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How is this still a debate? Huk is still in Code S as a protoss and he is the only foreigner still in Code S.
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On September 25 2011 10:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:04 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 10:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:59 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. Thorzain performed extremely well in Korea when he was there and took DRG down to the wire at DH while beating HuK in that same tournament. Right now, Thorzain is playing at the highest level of any foreigner. Thorzain lost more games than he won in Korea. That is performing 'extremely well'? Thorzain was outplayed by DRG. He got some lucky spawns and looked worse than DRG even in the games he won. Every terran is outperformed by DRG, His 1st trip to Korea and performing the way he did? I see that as performing extremely well, he only got roflstomped in 1 game iirc and that was due to banshees. Also his code A match was the day after he landed so none of the foreigners performed well in those. Bad excuses for their code a failure. Koreans win every LAN under those conditions. Thorzain was outclassed by Yugioh playing dated and one dimensional strats.
TvZ is his worst matchup, everyone who knows about sc2 knows that.
+ that was right after arriving in korea. AND code A is not too much easier then Code S - and HuK has a hard time at it atm.
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On September 25 2011 10:06 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:03 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 10:00 Numy wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. Achievements really don't mean much when you are looking at current form. Unless those achievements are in fact current. Unfortunately that's not really the case so it's pointless to look at them. All of Huks achievements are current except the MLG win. Dreamhack and HSC isn't really recent anymore? Weren't those 3-4 months ago?
Ok so you just proved this entire poll is pointless. We can't use results unless they are current. If there are no current results we have no proof that someone is actually preforming very well right now. If all else fails go to older results. Which all say Huk is easily far ahead #1.
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On September 25 2011 10:09 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:08 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 10:06 rpgalon wrote:
huk have a good chance of being the only protoss in the whole code S next seasion, I think he is the best foreigner. He's in the up and downs atm along with Puzzle T_T he got 3rd and therefore stays in code S. #4 is up and down, #3 is stay, #1 and #2 is ro32. thats why its harder to drop from code S then to qualify for it.
Oh ya, I forgot they changed the format :D
Any protoss left leaves hope
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I didn't vote because I'm still not quite sure right now. But if we do the same poll again in six months, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be Stephano.
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On September 25 2011 10:08 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. tbh, he was quite lucky with his groups in most main tournaments so far and ofc hes #3 in my ranking even, but you cannot denie he got a lot of luck in some tours and gsl groups. He would never requalify for code S if he would drop now... no chance. My ranking is: #1 ThorZaiN TSL winner, 2-0 HerO, 2-1 HuK, 2-3 DRG (who beat MVP 2-0) in Dreamhack inv. Train in SlayerS house. #2 Stephano 3rd in assembly losing 2-3 to dimaga unluckily, 2-0 vs huk @ hsc3, winning ipl3 qualifier #3 over MMA (who said hes top 3 zerg... i dont agree with that btw), insane ladder record and getting better and better with every week of progaming. #3 HuK Dreamhack winner, good performance overall and in GSL, although some grid and groupluck. still the best foreign protoss atm. after that comes: Sen, Mana, Naniwa, Select for ME.
Only MVP wins tournaments by beating every other good player in it. Most tournament winners beat 1 or 2 top players max.
Stephano over Huk is absurd. He has won nothing.
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On September 25 2011 10:08 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:06 rpgalon wrote:
huk have a good chance of being the only protoss in the whole code S next seasion, I think he is the best foreigner. He's in the up and downs atm along with Puzzle T_T
Nah he beat zenio so he stays in S.
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On September 25 2011 10:09 Supamang wrote:
How is this still a debate? Huk is still in Code S as a protoss and he is the only foreigner still in Code S.
and the only one besides Jinro and Idra who ever stayed in korea for longer then 1 month. Once more: HuK would have a rly hard time to requalify if he ever drops into Code A (see MC... n/c)
Lets be honest: Major tournament.
HuK gets Thorzain in round 1. Who will win it?
HuK gets Stephano in round 1. Who is your favorite?
in both cases i would give HuK's opponents a slight edge. But we will see in IPL 3 where Stephano and HuK are in 1 group 
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On September 25 2011 10:08 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:04 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 10:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:59 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. Thorzain performed extremely well in Korea when he was there and took DRG down to the wire at DH while beating HuK in that same tournament. Right now, Thorzain is playing at the highest level of any foreigner. Thorzain lost more games than he won in Korea. That is performing 'extremely well'? Thorzain was outplayed by DRG. He got some lucky spawns and looked worse than DRG even in the games he won. Every terran is outperformed by DRG, His 1st trip to Korea and performing the way he did? I see that as performing extremely well, he only got roflstomped in 1 game iirc and that was due to banshees. Also his code A match was the day after he landed so none of the foreigners performed well in those. Bad excuses for their code a failure. Koreans win every LAN under those conditions. Thorzain was outclassed by Yugioh playing dated and one dimensional strats.
He was outclassed so he lost 1-2? He played his own strat (the spoon terran). Korean's are the best players, I thought this was the "best foreigner discussion" which has nothing to do with how well korean's perform.
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On September 25 2011 10:11 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:08 DiaBoLuS wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. tbh, he was quite lucky with his groups in most main tournaments so far and ofc hes #3 in my ranking even, but you cannot denie he got a lot of luck in some tours and gsl groups. He would never requalify for code S if he would drop now... no chance. My ranking is: #1 ThorZaiN TSL winner, 2-0 HerO, 2-1 HuK, 2-3 DRG (who beat MVP 2-0) in Dreamhack inv. Train in SlayerS house. #2 Stephano 3rd in assembly losing 2-3 to dimaga unluckily, 2-0 vs huk @ hsc3, winning ipl3 qualifier #3 over MMA (who said hes top 3 zerg... i dont agree with that btw), insane ladder record and getting better and better with every week of progaming. #3 HuK Dreamhack winner, good performance overall and in GSL, although some grid and groupluck. still the best foreign protoss atm. after that comes: Sen, Mana, Naniwa, Select for ME. Only MVP wins tournaments by beating every other good player in it. Most tournament winners beat 1 or 2 top players max. Stephano over Huk is absurd. He has won nothing.
true - he has won nothing, but hes still the better player. thats where my focus is. yours might be on results, but i ask for the BEST foreigner, not the most successful.
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On September 25 2011 10:10 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:08 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 10:04 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 10:02 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:59 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. Thorzain performed extremely well in Korea when he was there and took DRG down to the wire at DH while beating HuK in that same tournament. Right now, Thorzain is playing at the highest level of any foreigner. Thorzain lost more games than he won in Korea. That is performing 'extremely well'? Thorzain was outplayed by DRG. He got some lucky spawns and looked worse than DRG even in the games he won. Every terran is outperformed by DRG, His 1st trip to Korea and performing the way he did? I see that as performing extremely well, he only got roflstomped in 1 game iirc and that was due to banshees. Also his code A match was the day after he landed so none of the foreigners performed well in those. Bad excuses for their code a failure. Koreans win every LAN under those conditions. Thorzain was outclassed by Yugioh playing dated and one dimensional strats. TvZ is his worst matchup, everyone who knows about sc2 knows that. + that was right after arriving in korea. AND code A is not too much easier then Code S - and HuK has a hard time at it atm.
A while back there wasnt much difference but these days Code S is much better. Besides even I could get invited to Code A and lose in Round 1, that's no achievement at all.
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On September 25 2011 10:11 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:08 DiaBoLuS wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. tbh, he was quite lucky with his groups in most main tournaments so far and ofc hes #3 in my ranking even, but you cannot denie he got a lot of luck in some tours and gsl groups. He would never requalify for code S if he would drop now... no chance. My ranking is: #1 ThorZaiN TSL winner, 2-0 HerO, 2-1 HuK, 2-3 DRG (who beat MVP 2-0) in Dreamhack inv. Train in SlayerS house. #2 Stephano 3rd in assembly losing 2-3 to dimaga unluckily, 2-0 vs huk @ hsc3, winning ipl3 qualifier #3 over MMA (who said hes top 3 zerg... i dont agree with that btw), insane ladder record and getting better and better with every week of progaming. #3 HuK Dreamhack winner, good performance overall and in GSL, although some grid and groupluck. still the best foreign protoss atm. after that comes: Sen, Mana, Naniwa, Select for ME. Only MVP wins tournaments by beating every other good player in it. Most tournament winners beat 1 or 2 top players max. Stephano over Huk is absurd. He has won nothing.
it isn't absurd at all...stephano is crazy good, he even beat huk at homestory cup. stephano just needs more proving to the viewers, which he will hopefully do at mlg and ipl
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I mean come on, it's Thorzain... The only one who had show some consistency against koreans.
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On September 25 2011 10:11 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:06 Hierarch wrote:On September 25 2011 10:03 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 10:00 Numy wrote:On September 25 2011 09:51 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 09:40 tuho12345 wrote:On September 25 2011 09:17 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??
He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo. Because he's won zero major tournaments. Anyone without a major win is irrelevant here. Stephano/Sen hasn't won anything as well beside some small tourneys online right? MaNa has been in a quite a few final and second places already Stephano doesn't deserve a mention either. The correct answer is Huk, easily and I don't even like Huk and the day he's in Code B is a good day for me but clearly he's the best foreigner. Dreamhack winner, Homestory winner, MLG winner, Code S, highest foreigner at the last two MLGs. No one else compares to Huk's achievements. Achievements really don't mean much when you are looking at current form. Unless those achievements are in fact current. Unfortunately that's not really the case so it's pointless to look at them. All of Huks achievements are current except the MLG win. Dreamhack and HSC isn't really recent anymore? Weren't those 3-4 months ago? Ok so you just proved this entire poll is pointless. We can't use results unless they are current. If there are no current results we have no proof that someone is actually preforming very well right now. If all else fails go to older results. Which all say Huk is easily far ahead #1.
Who you beat and how you beat them is indicative of current skill.
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