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NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
September 24 2011 23:26 GMT
#541
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??

He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo.
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
izgodlee
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada133 Posts
September 24 2011 23:28 GMT
#542
On September 25 2011 07:52 Tewks44 wrote:
I've never understood the argument for SeleCT being American. He's from Korea. HuK is Canadian American even though he plays in Korea, not Korean so why do we call SeleCT American? It's a double standard it seems.


No some people are too simple to understand it... hes from korea, but he never trained for sc2 IN KOREA he trained in the US, thats the whole point. Don't understand how people still dont get this.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 24 2011 23:29 GMT
#543
On September 25 2011 07:46 PeachTea wrote:
Wow no QXC? ur definitely favoring europeans without putting QXC up there. You even put Kas up there... rediculous


Unfortunately QXC doesn't have comparable solo results to most of the people on that list, Kas included. His biggest achievement is probably all-killing IM and while I do not want to down-play that at all, he went through 3 players being field tested(really cocky by IM) before taking out MVP.

Certainly a strong player but I don't see how anyone could claim him as the best foreigner.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 24 2011 23:29 GMT
#544
Thorzain and HuK for top 2, hands down.

3rd and 4th is very close
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 24 2011 23:30 GMT
#545
On September 25 2011 08:28 izgodlee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:52 Tewks44 wrote:
I've never understood the argument for SeleCT being American. He's from Korea. HuK is Canadian American even though he plays in Korea, not Korean so why do we call SeleCT American? It's a double standard it seems.


No some people are too simple to understand it... hes from korea, but he never trained for sc2 IN KOREA he trained in the US, thats the whole point. Don't understand how people still dont get this.


Then why is HuK, who trains exclusively in korea now and has for a long time, considered a foreigner?
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 24 2011 23:31 GMT
#546
On September 25 2011 07:44 luckybeni2 wrote:
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On September 25 2011 07:21 tuho12345 wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:53 IMABUNNEH wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:50 Blasphemi wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:48 dgwow wrote:
Yeah HasuObs should be in the list, Stephano seems like a good player since he's beasting it up on ladder and tournaments lately, WhiteRa is definitely one of the top toss.

ThorZaiN is my vote as best foreigner because he's shown the strongest play in korea by a foreigner as of yet. But I'm doubtful he has the macro ability to play at the highest level as other foreigners catch up in skill.

How has Thorzain shown better play than Huk who is Code S.


Thorzain's matches in the GSTL showed a higher level skill than what HuK currently has, IMO. Just because someone isn't in Code S doesn't mean they're automatically worse than the people who are in Code S. Look how long it took Bomber to get into it, just as an example. While he was still only in Code A/B, was he automatically MUCH WORSE than everyone in Code S? Might I remind you Hong'Un is Code S?

Lol, couple games in team league and you put Tzain above HuK already? How about HuK get 2 acekills for oGs then? How many chances have we seen him performed in the GSTL?
Not in code S = not competing at the highest level of the game. Anyone that could make it to R8+ is consider really good.

//Oh and HongUn is the second best Protoss in the world. Just look at the result and ignore Tasstorsis.

Because huk made his ace kills when he was in really good shape and he did not show much of that in the past month.

Well look at all the guys on the list. Any of them is in the good shape right now? WHen was the last time we've seen Sen? NASL final ? last win for IdrA was IPL 1 right? Tzain 3 kills in GSTL don't mean anything. Please... At least HuK made R8 last GSL season.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
September 24 2011 23:31 GMT
#547
If it's an OSL/TSL like tournament with lots of time to prepare for the opponent. Thorzain. Otherwise, Huk.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
September 24 2011 23:32 GMT
#548
Well i just voted Dimaga because i think he has the most passion and potential for the game. He is a legend and an icon, and i think he will go very far
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PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
September 24 2011 23:33 GMT
#549
On September 25 2011 08:29 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:46 PeachTea wrote:
Wow no QXC? ur definitely favoring europeans without putting QXC up there. You even put Kas up there... rediculous


Unfortunately QXC doesn't have comparable solo results to most of the people on that list, Kas included. His biggest achievement is probably all-killing IM and while I do not want to down-play that at all, he went through 3 players being field tested(really cocky by IM) before taking out MVP.

Certainly a strong player but I don't see how anyone could claim him as the best foreigner.


Your right. I was just a bit flabbergasted at some of the picks from the OP. Well said
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
September 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#550
On September 25 2011 08:30 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 08:28 izgodlee wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:52 Tewks44 wrote:
I've never understood the argument for SeleCT being American. He's from Korea. HuK is Canadian American even though he plays in Korea, not Korean so why do we call SeleCT American? It's a double standard it seems.


No some people are too simple to understand it... hes from korea, but he never trained for sc2 IN KOREA he trained in the US, thats the whole point. Don't understand how people still dont get this.


Then why is HuK, who trains exclusively in korea now and has for a long time, considered a foreigner?


Why is this so hard for people to understand? Huk is a foreigner who represents what the korean training method does for you. Do people like you like stirring up shit?
The Notorious Winkles
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
September 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#551
On September 25 2011 08:23 PeachTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 08:13 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:46 PeachTea wrote:
Wow no QXC? ur definitely favoring europeans without putting QXC up there. You even put Kas up there... rediculous


bo9 kas vs qxc? 100 bucks on 4-0.


thats 100 bux gone. Plus qxc's tvz and tvp is much better. Even if Kas has better TvT. 100 bux Kas wouldnt all kill a korean team in his first season. Now thats a garunteed 100. QXC is better all around.


You counter the silly argument (only focusing on the direct duell - one matchup) with another one (mentioning one arbitrary achievement which qxc probably couldn't easily repeat himself).

My impression: Kas and qxc are similar level. Both are not top10 foreigners.
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
September 24 2011 23:35 GMT
#552
On September 25 2011 08:31 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:44 luckybeni2 wrote:
On September 25 2011 07:21 tuho12345 wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:53 IMABUNNEH wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:50 Blasphemi wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:48 dgwow wrote:
Yeah HasuObs should be in the list, Stephano seems like a good player since he's beasting it up on ladder and tournaments lately, WhiteRa is definitely one of the top toss.

ThorZaiN is my vote as best foreigner because he's shown the strongest play in korea by a foreigner as of yet. But I'm doubtful he has the macro ability to play at the highest level as other foreigners catch up in skill.

How has Thorzain shown better play than Huk who is Code S.


Thorzain's matches in the GSTL showed a higher level skill than what HuK currently has, IMO. Just because someone isn't in Code S doesn't mean they're automatically worse than the people who are in Code S. Look how long it took Bomber to get into it, just as an example. While he was still only in Code A/B, was he automatically MUCH WORSE than everyone in Code S? Might I remind you Hong'Un is Code S?

Lol, couple games in team league and you put Tzain above HuK already? How about HuK get 2 acekills for oGs then? How many chances have we seen him performed in the GSTL?
Not in code S = not competing at the highest level of the game. Anyone that could make it to R8+ is consider really good.

//Oh and HongUn is the second best Protoss in the world. Just look at the result and ignore Tasstorsis.

Because huk made his ace kills when he was in really good shape and he did not show much of that in the past month.

Well look at all the guys on the list. Any of them is in the good shape right now? WHen was the last time we've seen Sen? NASL final ? last win for IdrA was IPL 1 right? Tzain 3 kills in GSTL don't mean anything. Please... At least HuK made R8 last GSL season.


Tzain almost takeing down the best ZvT'er in the world? Not includeing TvZ is his worst MU.
(This was at dreamhack valencia vs DRG)
Snitches get stiches
Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
September 24 2011 23:36 GMT
#553
Why the OP say Huk is half canadian and american? He's canadian of course.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
September 24 2011 23:36 GMT
#554
On September 25 2011 08:26 NexUmbra wrote:
Why do people underestimate MaNa so much??

He beat PuMa in a best of 3 in a LAN 2-0... also beat in 2-0 in EG masters cupo.


Agreed. I don't even like Mana but he's just been tearing it up recently.

Really Mana and HuK should be 1 and 2 depending on how you see it. Not sure how anyone can justify putting Thorzain at #1, he did decently in the GSTL but other than that hasn't done anything recently.
Sackings
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada457 Posts
September 24 2011 23:37 GMT
#555
given the state of the game right now I have a hard time being convinced tzain is the best foreigner. Dont get me wrong hes probably my favorite terran but i dunno if hes better than huk/naniwa/sen. In a bo7 with huk/nani im sure he'd come out of top, but... ghost/terran is imba atm so it doesnt mean much
naniwa fighting!!!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 24 2011 23:37 GMT
#556
Feel weird to me to see Huk listed as Canadian when Select is listed American but whatever.. ( select train on korean ladder and with korean quite a lot actually soo... )

Thorzain get the top tho. Select is not far tho but as i said.. if he lived in korea he would just be one these top korean everyone fear. Sen is really high up there too, but seriously, a foreigner from asia is not really comparable to an european/american.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 23:38:18
September 24 2011 23:37 GMT
#557
ThorZaIN!

Terran - Swedish - Baller

Oh and did i mention he's play is super solid and that he + Show Spoiler +
took two games from the same guy who just recently 2-0ed MVP :D
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
September 24 2011 23:39 GMT
#558
On September 25 2011 08:37 Noocta wrote:
Feel weird to me to see Huk listed as Canadian when Select is listed American but whatever.. ( select train on korean ladder and with korean quite a lot actually soo... )

Thorzain get the top tho. Select is not far tho but as i said.. if he lived in korea he would just be one these top korean everyone fear. Sen is really high up there too, but seriously, a foreigner from asia is not really comparable to an european/american.


What are you saying?
The Notorious Winkles
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 24 2011 23:41 GMT
#559
On September 25 2011 08:39 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 08:37 Noocta wrote:
Feel weird to me to see Huk listed as Canadian when Select is listed American but whatever.. ( select train on korean ladder and with korean quite a lot actually soo... )

Thorzain get the top tho. Select is not far tho but as i said.. if he lived in korea he would just be one these top korean everyone fear. Sen is really high up there too, but seriously, a foreigner from asia is not really comparable to an european/american.


What are you saying?


What i mean is that someone like Sen get easy acces to korean ladder. I don't really think Sen is the same level of "foreigner" than someone in europe/america.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 24 2011 23:42 GMT
#560
On September 25 2011 08:31 neobowman wrote:
If it's an OSL/TSL like tournament with lots of time to prepare for the opponent. Thorzain. Otherwise, Huk.


See now I never really got why people have this perception about Thorzain. I recall many who used to say he's only good in a TSL setting where he has at least a week to prepare for his next match, even after he went 9th at MLG (losing to MC and taking two more games off him in the process) and barely losing out to July and Hasu for his Dreamhack group. More recently, he's done pretty well in the GSTL for a foreigner, which exposes you to a variety of different opponents giving you little preparation. He also came in second at the Dreamhack invitational.

Willing to bet he'll roflstomp his IPL3 group as well :p.
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