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[Poll] Best Foreigner? - Page 27

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DiuLaSing
Profile Joined August 2011
Hong Kong225 Posts
September 24 2011 22:47 GMT
#521
dude...imsorry...select is korean...if he is, is Rain also foreigner?
"You just abuse idiocy" - bad boy
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
September 24 2011 22:52 GMT
#522
On September 25 2011 07:47 DiuLaSing wrote:
dude...imsorry...select is korean...if he is, is Rain also foreigner?


Please don't start this debate -.- Huk is Korean! Select is Korean! Rain is foreign! whatever... it matters not one whit... its just that a significant portion of Select's career has been in America.
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
lulzury
Profile Joined February 2010
United States236 Posts
September 24 2011 22:52 GMT
#523
If Huk is on that list, where the hell is Fenix? You don't take out TSL_Heart and TSL_Clide and then join team IM for absolutely no reason.
SEn hwaiting!!!
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
September 24 2011 22:52 GMT
#524
I've never understood the argument for SeleCT being American. He's from Korea. HuK is Canadian American even though he plays in Korea, not Korean so why do we call SeleCT American? It's a double standard it seems.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Superpower
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia212 Posts
September 24 2011 22:55 GMT
#525
Sen + ThorZain and i'm zerg biased.
Taeja <3
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 24 2011 22:55 GMT
#526
On September 25 2011 07:40 Soulriser wrote:
im not sure why everyone thinks Idra shouldnt be on the list. At the moment, maybe he isnt doing so well, but there isnt really room to argue that hes bad. he did incredibly well for a foreigner in BW, and hasnt done that bad in SC2 either. if someone could actually explain WHY he doesnt deserve to be considered good, then i would really like to hear a logical, factual reason.

I don't think anybody says that Idra is not good. He clearly is very good. Many people just question if he is good enough to be in the top 12 at this very moment. The list of top foreign players is quite stacked, many of them are close to each other in terms of skill, if you consider that he lost quite a lot against other foreign players lately I think you can understand why people voted him.

Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
September 24 2011 22:57 GMT
#527
Mana, Thorzain, and naniwa are definateley the best at the moment, however I can see MorroW, Strelok, select and Sjow getting to that level.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
September 24 2011 23:00 GMT
#528
ThorZain at the top, but according to his TLPD still hasn't won anything since that big teamliquid tourney.

Voted IdrA just based on consistency, and #1 seed in MLG, along with numerous wins over time without playing the "strongest/easiest/most used/whatever you want to call it" race.

HybridZ
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada103 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 23:09:05
September 24 2011 23:06 GMT
#529
Huk should be known as the best foreigner as hes in code S and no other foriegner can say that.. Then I'd say stephano and thorzain. Haters, just watch stephano play and you'll realize he is the future of the foreigner scene.
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Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-24 23:08:22
September 24 2011 23:06 GMT
#530
Interesting that 34% of the votes are for a terran player, 33% for a zerg player, and 33% for a protoss player.

Thorzain obviously is winning that poll just because there is no terran competition.

In a poll including the korean scene, he would get no vote at all, he is just another terran among so many.

Huk on the contrary would get votes even in a poll including koreans.
Soulriser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States192 Posts
September 24 2011 23:08 GMT
#531
On September 25 2011 07:55 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:40 Soulriser wrote:
im not sure why everyone thinks Idra shouldnt be on the list. At the moment, maybe he isnt doing so well, but there isnt really room to argue that hes bad. he did incredibly well for a foreigner in BW, and hasnt done that bad in SC2 either. if someone could actually explain WHY he doesnt deserve to be considered good, then i would really like to hear a logical, factual reason.

I don't think anybody says that Idra is not good. He clearly is very good. Many people just question if he is good enough to be in the top 12 at this very moment. The list of top foreign players is quite stacked, many of them are close to each other in terms of skill, if you consider that he lost quite a lot against other foreign players lately I think you can understand why people voted him.




that makes sense. =P if you saw, i didnt vote for him either. right now id say that ThorZain is the strongest if i had to make a solid decision. Everyone jsut constantly hates on Idra and im not sure why. right now, hes doing pretty badly. haha, theres no question about that. =P
Luna_ca
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada17 Posts
September 24 2011 23:10 GMT
#532
Huk fighting~
H.A.T.E.R.S = Having Anger Towards Everyone Reaching Success
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
September 24 2011 23:13 GMT
#533
On September 25 2011 07:46 PeachTea wrote:
Wow no QXC? ur definitely favoring europeans without putting QXC up there. You even put Kas up there... rediculous


bo9 kas vs qxc? 100 bucks on 4-0.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
September 24 2011 23:14 GMT
#534
Probably Thorzain and Major in terms of raw skill, and Huk in terms of results/ability to perform under pressure.
DizzyDrone
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
September 24 2011 23:18 GMT
#535
Huk is the only one who consistantly takes games of Korean players at the moment, and more importantly the only one competing at the top level in Korea. Untill one of the others in that poll reach code S status and start performing better then Huk there I don't think you can call them the best foreigners.
zeenix1
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden89 Posts
September 24 2011 23:20 GMT
#536
Best potential, or best player (read race)?

Naniwa at a laughable 4%, just waiting for the koreans to figure out the meta-game and he'll be back on top.

SeleCT, korean currently residing in korea... take him off the list :D
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 24 2011 23:21 GMT
#537
On September 25 2011 08:00 ThaZenith wrote:
ThorZain at the top, but according to his TLPD still hasn't won anything since that big teamliquid tourney.

Voted IdrA just based on consistency, and #1 seed in MLG, along with numerous wins over time without playing the "strongest/easiest/most used/whatever you want to call it" race.



Yeah but ThorZaiN has consistently placed exceptionally well, and he did really well in the GSTL.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
GxZ
Profile Joined April 2010
United States375 Posts
September 24 2011 23:22 GMT
#538
By results, it would be HuK....
PeachTea
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States149 Posts
September 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#539
On September 25 2011 08:13 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 07:46 PeachTea wrote:
Wow no QXC? ur definitely favoring europeans without putting QXC up there. You even put Kas up there... rediculous


bo9 kas vs qxc? 100 bucks on 4-0.


thats 100 bux gone. Plus qxc's tvz and tvp is much better. Even if Kas has better TvT. 100 bux Kas wouldnt all kill a korean team in his first season. Now thats a garunteed 100. QXC is better all around.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1358 Posts
September 24 2011 23:25 GMT
#540
Do you realise guyz once again that this thread is quite foolish ??
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