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This is really more like "which foreigner do i like most"
it isnt about the best
look at the list, think about the strong macro players... the players with wide ranges of play..
huk? idra? sen? even naniwa. Ret is the second lowest?
thorzain being first is just like, mindblowing. He is a great player for sure but his builds and macro are not up to 'gosu' standards. If the list were only, "which foreign terrans are the best", Thorzain very well might win. But I think in terms of mechanical skill, he isn't anywhere near the top.. meaning the word 'best' is probably not a very good word to use for a poll.
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Huk is wayyy better than anyone else. he is the only foreigner in code S. As long as this si true- he is hands down the best foreigner.
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Yeah HasuObs should be in the list, Stephano seems like a good player since he's beasting it up on ladder and tournaments lately, WhiteRa is definitely one of the top toss.
ThorZaiN is my vote as best foreigner because he's shown the strongest play in korea by a foreigner as of yet. But I'm doubtful he has the macro ability to play at the highest level as other foreigners catch up in skill.
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On September 25 2011 06:48 dgwow wrote:
Yeah HasuObs should be in the list, Stephano seems like a good player since he's beasting it up on ladder and tournaments lately, WhiteRa is definitely one of the top toss.
ThorZaiN is my vote as best foreigner because he's shown the strongest play in korea by a foreigner as of yet. But I'm doubtful he has the macro ability to play at the highest level as other foreigners catch up in skill.
How has Thorzain shown better play than Huk who is Code S.
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On September 25 2011 06:50 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 06:48 dgwow wrote:
Yeah HasuObs should be in the list, Stephano seems like a good player since he's beasting it up on ladder and tournaments lately, WhiteRa is definitely one of the top toss.
ThorZaiN is my vote as best foreigner because he's shown the strongest play in korea by a foreigner as of yet. But I'm doubtful he has the macro ability to play at the highest level as other foreigners catch up in skill. How has Thorzain shown better play than Huk who is Code S.
Thorzain's matches in the GSTL showed a higher level skill than what HuK currently has, IMO. Just because someone isn't in Code S doesn't mean they're automatically worse than the people who are in Code S. Look how long it took Bomber to get into it, just as an example. While he was still only in Code A/B, was he automatically MUCH WORSE than everyone in Code S? Might I remind you Hong'Un is Code S? 
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On September 25 2011 06:40 darkscream wrote:
This is really more like "which foreigner do i like most"
it isnt about the best
look at the list, think about the strong macro players... the players with wide ranges of play..
huk? idra? sen? even naniwa. Ret is the second lowest?
thorzain being first is just like, mindblowing. He is a great player for sure but his builds and macro are not up to 'gosu' standards. If the list were only, "which foreign terrans are the best", Thorzain very well might win. But I think in terms of mechanical skill, he isn't anywhere near the top.. meaning the word 'best' is probably not a very good word to use for a poll.
This post is nonsense, if you think that thorzain isn't the best, is your opinion. Don't bring your opinions as facts. Thorzain lost 2-3 against drg in dh valencia. He won 3-2 against MC when MC was in good shape.
And if you define mechanical skill as being the best, you better change the poll to which foreigner does have the most mechanical skill.
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Idra has shown no reason to be on this list. I think Sen, Huk, and Thorzain are the premier foreigners at their respective races. Shoutouts to Naniwa, Stephano, and Select.
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Thorzain has been the most consistently strong player that I've seen, able to compete with anyone. Sen has been consistent as well, but I haven't seen him play enough. Huk/Dimaga/Mana have shown great ability at times, but they sprinkle in a decent amount of poorly played games too. Stephano I haven't seen enough of, and the rest I would put a step behind.
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On September 25 2011 06:53 IMABUNNEH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 06:50 Blasphemi wrote:On September 25 2011 06:48 dgwow wrote:
Yeah HasuObs should be in the list, Stephano seems like a good player since he's beasting it up on ladder and tournaments lately, WhiteRa is definitely one of the top toss.
ThorZaiN is my vote as best foreigner because he's shown the strongest play in korea by a foreigner as of yet. But I'm doubtful he has the macro ability to play at the highest level as other foreigners catch up in skill. How has Thorzain shown better play than Huk who is Code S. Thorzain's matches in the GSTL showed a higher level skill than what HuK currently has, IMO. Just because someone isn't in Code S doesn't mean they're automatically worse than the people who are in Code S. Look how long it took Bomber to get into it, just as an example. While he was still only in Code A/B, was he automatically MUCH WORSE than everyone in Code S? Might I remind you Hong'Un is Code S?
Hongun is a much better player than Thorzain. Ignore Artosis, you don't get Code S ro4 twice and stay in Code s every season being bad
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How can people say that MaNa is the best? Its totally unproven. I think that its a toss up between HuK, Thorzain, and Sen.
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On September 25 2011 00:49 PirateEd wrote:
I think Whitera and Morrow definitely deserve to be on this list more than Mana, Kas, or Sase
to be fair, sase DID qualify for code-a
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Hasuobs and Socke missing? They have constant results and always are at the top of the foreigner scene. In my eyes both better than (I gonna get hated for this) players like Idra, especially considering constant results and mindset at tournaments.
ThorZain also has my vote, he just seems to have a huge understanding and natural talent for the game. I really think he will do really fine.
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Huk, he is the only one in code S at the moment, and also the only one who as won 2 major tournaments with koreans in it. He has been a little weak lately, like every toss and he is not very consistant, but he has the results to claim this title.
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Huk is definitly the best, voting thorzain above him is just silly.
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On September 25 2011 07:02 immortlone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 00:49 PirateEd wrote:
I think Whitera and Morrow definitely deserve to be on this list more than Mana, Kas, or Sase to be fair, sase DID qualify for code-a
Playing in a tournament of only Swedes. SaSe is really good though, his Code A games haven't been indicative of his true skill.
On September 25 2011 07:11 Mementoss wrote:
Huk is definitly the best, voting thorzain above him is just silly.
I think Huk is a bit better, but someone thinking Thorzain is better isn't far-fetched at all. Hell, Thorzain has beat Huk twice recently (EGMC or a different team league, and Dreamhack).
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On September 25 2011 06:02 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 06:00 Belha wrote:
This list makes me miss the old tournaments without korean domination/pressence : (
Btw, Select, american?? He lives and practices on NA
So by this logic HuK and Jinro are Korean, you are pretty retarded, kid.
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On September 25 2011 06:40 darkscream wrote:
This is really more like "which foreigner do i like most"
it isnt about the best
look at the list, think about the strong macro players... the players with wide ranges of play..
huk? idra? sen? even naniwa. Ret is the second lowest?
thorzain being first is just like, mindblowing. He is a great player for sure but his builds and macro are not up to 'gosu' standards. If the list were only, "which foreign terrans are the best", Thorzain very well might win. But I think in terms of mechanical skill, he isn't anywhere near the top.. meaning the word 'best' is probably not a very good word to use for a poll.
What kind of tripe is this? Thorzain's macro is some of the best as far as foreigners go, he is a very macro-oriented player. Also, how can you say he's nowhere near the top in mechanical skill? There are few code S terrans, and pretty much no foreign terrans I'd expect to stand up to DRG in a bo5 like Thorzain did. His defense against DRG's godly muta micro and ling runbys was very impressive, especially the antiga game.
He also seems to be ahead of the curve in terms of builds compared to other foreigners. He was like one of the first terrans I saw along with Morrow who actually tried using ghosts against Infestor/BL when everyone was still bitching about it. Mass thor against MC and win? He did it. He always keeps up on his upgrades nicely as well. So yeah, as far foreigners go I'd say his builds are quite solid.
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On September 25 2011 07:02 immortlone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 00:49 PirateEd wrote:
I think Whitera and Morrow definitely deserve to be on this list more than Mana, Kas, or Sase to be fair, sase DID qualify for code-a
He was given an invite. Jinro rejected his and advised to give it to SaSe.
I was still not too impressed by Thorzain's TvZ even against DRG. He won game 2 on build order (although that's DRG's fault for such risk taking) and got outplayed for the rest of the game and won simply because he reduced the drone count to 17 very early on. In game 4, he got imba spawns on Antiga which are banned on GSL. Terran has TWO free gold bases and can siege the gas at Zerg's main. It's like Xelnaga but perhaps worse. No counterattacking potential AT ALL - tanks in correct position + planetary result in easy 5 bases whilst Zerg has no 4th at all.
Every other game DRG didn't look close to losing (except on metal where he lost his 3rd).
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On September 25 2011 06:40 darkscream wrote:
This is really more like "which foreigner do i like most"
it isnt about the best
look at the list, think about the strong macro players... the players with wide ranges of play..
huk? idra? sen? even naniwa. Ret is the second lowest?
thorzain being first is just like, mindblowing. He is a great player for sure but his builds and macro are not up to 'gosu' standards. If the list were only, "which foreign terrans are the best", Thorzain very well might win. But I think in terms of mechanical skill, he isn't anywhere near the top.. meaning the word 'best' is probably not a very good word to use for a poll.
Yes, yes, Zerg is the only race that requires 'skill'. All Terrans suck. Worship your master Idra. Maybe if you looked up to zerg's that are good like Nestea or DRG you would have a more balanced view of the world.
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On September 25 2011 05:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 05:23 rysecake wrote:On September 25 2011 05:19 xbankx wrote:
If this poll was 6-7 month ago, 100% Idra. Now days, Now days, I think only Huk, Sen, and Thorzain is true contenders. I voted Thorzain because he seem to have the best potential by far. Huk seem to stagnant atm. Actually if this poll was 7 months ago, 100% jinro. Idra has never been the best foreigner. Naw, Idra still imo. Idra still had the edge with much better results back then. Not to mention he and many other zerg had to contend with a lot of bullshit tournament maps. Idra has been in the toilet recently, with the last time he looked good being...MLG Columbus? However, to say he was never the best foreigner is just flat out wrong. I'm not really a huge idra fan but he should be credited with being the best foreigner throughout the beta and well into the early parts of 2011. He won an MLG, beat tester and won King of the Beta, and qualified for every GSL open. Probably would've still held on to his code S spot for awhile if he hadn't gone back to the US.
Alright I'll give Idra the "top foreigner during the beta" title I guess. Though that was back at a point where very few good players had switched over yet. Today Idra's skill level is no where near top tier. Players like tester and fruitdealer have completely fallen since higher players switched over, example bw a-teamer immvp.
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