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On September 20 2011 06:29 Geos13 wrote:They should give Dark Templars a researchable blink upgrade  Okay that might be OP but it would make them a far more potent and resilient harass unit. Maybe the expansion could add a unit that is built at the forge so that it would still be accessible tier 1 but wont need to be cost ineffective because of warp functionality. Something tailored for fast expands like a slow, tough defender unit...
Shove dark templar into a colossus, making them invisible w/ thermal lance. Stick a pair of HT/sentry on each legs for storm/ff on demand. Sprinkle immortal's hardened shield and you got optimus primetoss.
But seriously, I think most of the korean protosses are suffering from low morales as well, which is affecting their game play. Follow Alicia on tweeter is so sad because it's such a downer.
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On September 20 2011 06:39 Avs wrote:
Hopefully Protoss will innovate their way back into this. All I've heard are terran terran terran innovating their strategies constantly week after week.
Well innovate as terran isn't a big deal, just roll new units to make in your 1/1/1 (reaper/tank/medivac? seems legit).
But for the protoss innovators I heard of a korean named jang that is still code B but that got innovative builds and a great unit control. I did the air expand safe versus the roach all-in long before everyone else, and I lately saw him use templar on warp prism to avoid EMP. He is currently on a loosing streak, but I hope that if he get over his nerves he can do great (for a protoss I mean, like ro4 of code A).
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On September 20 2011 06:39 Avs wrote: Until everything tried fails, then the game is unbalanced.
since there is no way to tell if everything has been tried, the game is never unbalanced by that logic.
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On September 20 2011 06:14 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 06:10 dirtyBeat wrote:
Blizzard should move DT´s to templar archives maybe, dark shrine was the most stupid thing in game, in SC1 you could go templar tech, harassing with DT´s and making HT for your big engagements at least But then Zerg would need much earlier detection; overseers and/or spores would need to be rebalanced.
Overseers are already getting buffed. (Much needed I think)
I actually wonder what would be so bad about bring KA back... I don't believe the win rates were really that skewed, and ghost play wasn't all that popular back then. With people being much better at ghosts now... I feel like it wouldn't be obscene to bring KA back.
Old WG timings would likely help with balance a lot, but 4 gating is the most boring thing in the world, so I'm okay if they try other things.
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Personally I'm glad that MC isn't doing so well right now. He has some really good decision making and macro in some games (NASL Finals come to mind) but he's skated so long on risky coin flippy shit, he shouldn't be at the top. I think HuK is actually a stronger player than NaNi or SaSe mechanically, though SaSe is definitely more creative and NaNi is pretty good at figuring stuff out for himself.
HerO is very good, and Sage is pretty intelligent. Protoss just need players who don't follow the mantra that you need to take huge risks 2/3 games in a Bo3 and they'll start to be very sucessful (the ghost is going to be toned down fairly soon, I feel, and infestors are getting the nerfbat and were being figured out anyway).
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Ghosts are fine the way they are, HTs need a speed boost and maybe KA back. infestors on the other hand need to be nerfed a bit. but they should be alright after patch 1.4 is out.
i'd say MC isn't playing well, even though toss aren't doing too well recently, MC is better than that imo.
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I dont wanna use the "U" word. But come on... I think it says volumes when there are 20 Code S players that are terran, 5 Protoss, and 7 Zerg.
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watching korean protoss is the only reason i really watch GSL and i can't even remember the last time i saw one win a series. it's pretty depressing to see that even while living in a pro team house, they can't figure anything out 
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On September 20 2011 07:31 HellionDrop wrote:
Ghosts are fine the way they are, HTs need a speed boost and maybe KA back. infestors on the other hand need to be nerfed a bit. but they should be alright after patch 1.4 is out.
i'd say MC isn't playing well, even though toss aren't doing too well recently, MC is better than that imo.
Yeah man, ghosts are totally fine, ask any terran. Don't listen to those whiny protoss and zerg who tell you that they're the natural (and cheap) counter to every unit they have with insane range, though. ghosts might actually need a buff, because sometimes if you are really sloppy with them you might lose one or two before you snipe obs or overseers to make your ghosts untargatable and able to rape an entire army; that shouldn't happen.
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No Huk? No Puzzle? No Alicia?
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HerO is very good, and Sage is pretty intelligent. Protoss just need players who don't follow the mantra that you need to take huge risks 2/3 games in a Bo3 and they'll start to be very sucessful (the ghost is going to be toned down fairly soon, I feel, and infestors are getting the nerfbat and were being figured out anyway).
Thats just what nani was complaining about lately. He cant find a way to anything about the 1/1/1 without taking huge risks.
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Hmm despite not really going for Protoss players in general, I'm not writing off MC anytime soon - he just needs to shake whatever it is that's bugging him off and come back.
I'll be waiting
Do want to see more of HerO though.
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Until I see a Protoss truly show us his power, I'm under the assumption that Protoss is a dead race. RIP Protoss :-/
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On September 19 2011 18:40 Asha` wrote:
HongUn didn't even get a mention despite being the 2nd best toss of sc2 and arguably the best of the last few months? xD
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HongUn has his moments, he's just consistently average. Any game I watch including HongUn is completely lack luster. I used to be a big fan of the guy when he did double forge play before it was adapted by Tyler, and thought it was genius. Since then he's just been following the standards. There's nothing wrong with that, but in no means should he be crowned the 2nd best toss of sc2 or even close to the best in the last few months.
I personally think if results continue to post up the way they do, HuK will probably take the roll of best Protoss in the world, but it all depends on how the Korean meta-game shifts with the next patch.
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On September 20 2011 07:22 Arisen wrote:
Personally I'm glad that MC isn't doing so well right now. He has some really good decision making and macro in some games (NASL Finals come to mind) but he's skated so long on risky coin flippy shit, he shouldn't be at the top. I think HuK is actually a stronger player than NaNi or SaSe mechanically, though SaSe is definitely more creative and NaNi is pretty good at figuring stuff out for himself.
HerO is very good, and Sage is pretty intelligent. Protoss just need players who don't follow the mantra that you need to take huge risks 2/3 games in a Bo3 and they'll start to be very sucessful (the ghost is going to be toned down fairly soon, I feel, and infestors are getting the nerfbat and were being figured out anyway).
Mc hasn't been doing that coin flippy bullshit since season 3. Most of his recent games have been safe macro oriented games, and he's been getting smashed.
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On September 20 2011 08:11 Ghola wrote:
Mc hasn't been doing that coin flippy bullshit since season 3
Yes, he has. I see him DT, 2 star, really unsafe early expands, etc. He still does all that stupid shit he's been doing, he's just not winning now.
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I don't feel at all that protoss is losing because they don't macro, that was 3-4 seasons ago toss that all'nd every game. MC is still better than everyone up there, excluding Sage potentially, IMO. People are waaaaaaaaaaay too quick to cross off players (MVP anyone?)
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On September 20 2011 08:30 Arisen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:11 Ghola wrote:
Mc hasn't been doing that coin flippy bullshit since season 3 Yes, he has. I see him DT, 2 star, really unsafe early expands, etc. He still does all that stupid shit he's been doing, he's just not winning now.
Oh no! He build DT's one game and did a 1 gate expo LEARN TO PLAY SAFE MC!!. MVP does tons of risky bunker rushes, cheese, 1 base all in vs huk, but you revere him why? BECAUSE TERRAN ALL INS DON'T SUCK.
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Protoss has no hero. Blizzard won't let them.
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You paraphrased so many lines from The Dark Knight I don't even know where to begin...
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