I'm happy to announce that we have brought IeZaeL+eXeCuToR, formerly Team Wizards, to the fold! They will help bolster our lineup and are pretty cool guys :D!
I hope that FnaticMSI can also help foster growth in the competitive 2on2 scene in the coming months. Expect us to host a few 2on2 tournaments in the near future, 2on2 replay packs, and even some strategy guides and VOD's!
We're glad to have such a nice and experienced 2on2 team on the roster, and I'm sure they will be an invaluable asset moving forward.
Always cool to see more teams pick up designated 2v2 players, I like the diversity it adds to the scene. TBH its pretty surprising this is coming from Fnatic, from what I can tell Rain & TT1 are doing a great job in 2v2 so far.
Trying to remove some excess fatigue perhaps?
On September 17 2011 04:04 gullberg wrote: There's a 2v2 scene?
Gz IeZaeL and eXeCuToR.
Should check out the Evil Geniuses Master's Cup where scores are often decided by the 2v2 match results.
On September 17 2011 04:12 Noam wrote: Always cool to see more teams pick up designated 2v2 players, I like the diversity it adds to the scene. TBH its pretty surprising this is coming from Fnatic, from what I can tell Rain & TT1 are doing a great job in 2v2 so far.
On September 17 2011 04:04 gullberg wrote: There's a 2v2 scene?
Gz IeZaeL and eXeCuToR.
Should check out the Evil Geniuses Master's Cup where scores are often decided by the 2v2 match results.
It helps a lot. Rain sometimes has to play 1v1 + 2v2 + ACE. That's exhausting for 1 person. This should help quite a bit. Now we have 2 great teams, and can rotate, etc.
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
Obviously he's concerned about his professionalism as a representative of the team. Getting defensive about it is probably not going to help as much as a generic "He's changed his ways and is dedicated to becoming a better person" comment.
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
Obviously he's concerned about his professionalism as a representative of the team. Getting defensive about it is probably not going to help as much as a generic "He's changed his ways and is dedicated to becoming a better person" comment.
I'm not defensive at all... but bringing up stuff that people did years ago isn't really helpful? TT1 used to hack, Lastshadow cheated, Spades was banned as a cheater, and there are various others as well. All of the above mentioned people have solid reputations in SC2 and are well known for being honest gamers today.
Therefore, what point does bringing up someone's past have to do with this discussion. New game, new year, new era.
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
eXeCuToR was caught hacking in SCBW and TeamWizards' recent performance in PTSL has been called into question by members of the 2v2 community (namely Protech) also for possibly hacking. Anyone who watched PTSL knows the questionable play to which I am referring.
In light of this information, do you wish to make another comment about their trustworthiness?
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
eXeCuToR was caught hacking in SCBW and TeamWizards' recent performance in PTSL has been called into question by members of the 2v2 community (namely Protech) also for possibly hacking. Anyone who watched PTSL knows the questionable play to which I am referring.
In light of this information, do you wish to make another comment about their trustworthiness?
On September 17 2011 04:42 pavement ist rad wrote:
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
eXeCuToR was caught hacking in SCBW and TeamWizards' recent performance in PTSL has been called into question by members of the 2v2 community (namely Protech) also for possibly hacking. Anyone who watched PTSL knows the questionable play to which I am referring.
In light of this information, do you wish to make another comment about their trustworthiness?
I followed that entire debate, yes.
Ok, tight. I personally never thought the incident was very convincing so I have no strong opinions. I hope the 2v2 community grows. I LOVE FNATIC!!!!
On September 17 2011 04:42 pavement ist rad wrote:
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
eXeCuToR was caught hacking in SCBW and TeamWizards' recent performance in PTSL has been called into question by members of the 2v2 community (namely Protech) also for possibly hacking. Anyone who watched PTSL knows the questionable play to which I am referring.
In light of this information, do you wish to make another comment about their trustworthiness?
I followed that entire debate, yes.
Ok, tight. I personally never thought the incident was very convincing so I have no strong opinions. I hope the 2v2 community grows. I LOVE FNATIC!!!!
I've been in communication with the Wizards guys for over a month, when they first approached me, I've been following their results on ladder and of course in the PTSL. I believe in being innocent until proven guilty, and I believe that there is nowhere near conclusive enough evidence to make any valid assumptions about them cheating
I dunno executor but me and iezael used to 2v2 a lot on iCCup. Good player, and I love to see teams pick up 2v2 teams in the hopes that it will develop and become a more viable competitive matchup.
On September 17 2011 04:31 JiYan wrote: im assuming this is only going to be effective online. i dont think fnatic would send these players to LANs
If there ever happened to be a really big 2v2 LAN... we'd send them. Unfortunately this doesn't exist right now =[
I currently have something in the works, I plan on using my lan center to host 2v2 tournaments soon. We only have 8 pc's right now, but once we get about 14-20 I feel that's enough to host an invite only 2v2 lan. The problem of course now is just finding money.
i played them several times with an random mate (rt) and i gotta say, that all they do is abuse the current strengh of T Z earlygame. Strange decision by fnatic in my opinion, but best of luck to them. maybe i got the wrong impression after all.
^ I gotta agree here. Being a PP team you realize it is just so easy to be abused by TZ teams and it's quite hard to stop on a lot of the maps. I respect TZ teams a lot more when their play tries to encourage a macro game or atleast a game longer than 5 minutes. I understand doing what you have to do to win, but I feel as maps for 2v2 improve, a lot of that "cheese/all in" style play from teams won't be as effective and some teams that abuse that will fall from the spotlight.
This is really cool. I like that 2v2 keeps getting more attention. It's a really fun game type and still works well enough to have competitive teams.
The 2v2 atmosphere is currently so far behind the 1v1 that it's almost impossible to compare the two. 2v2 still has a LONG way to go, but with stuff like this happening it's gaining ground quickly, Once there's a good competitive setting for 2v2 we'll see things improving. Hell, compare old GSLs to the current ones and you'll see how poor play and cheesy play dominated the first couple, and suddenly things began to improve.
On September 17 2011 05:18 Azide wrote: ^ I gotta agree here. Being a PP team you realize it is just so easy to be abused by TZ teams and it's quite hard to stop on a lot of the maps. I respect TZ teams a lot more when their play tries to encourage a macro game or atleast a game longer than 5 minutes. I understand doing what you have to do to win, but I feel as maps for 2v2 improve, a lot of that "cheese/all in" style play from teams won't be as effective and some teams that abuse that will fall from the spotlight.
You abuse the hell out of PP vs me in 2v2 Random Team
Also very good pickup. They are better then protech team but just lacked the practice. One of the best 2v2 teams.
On September 17 2011 05:18 Azide wrote: ^ I gotta agree here. Being a PP team you realize it is just so easy to be abused by TZ teams and it's quite hard to stop on a lot of the maps. I respect TZ teams a lot more when their play tries to encourage a macro game or atleast a game longer than 5 minutes. I understand doing what you have to do to win, but I feel as maps for 2v2 improve, a lot of that "cheese/all in" style play from teams won't be as effective and some teams that abuse that will fall from the spotlight.
You abuse the hell out of PP vs me in 2v2 Random Team
Also very good pickup. They are better then protech team but just lacked the practice. One of the best 2v2 teams.
How so? I'm curious to have an example of where you felt we abused the races. As PP it feels like we are constantly at a disadvantage and lack map control (big understatement). Like I said, people do what they have to do to win. A lot of the time we try to play macro style. And we've lost a lot in a macro style game vs TZ/PZ teams like mystik/illusive and power/protech. PP isn't a one build order and you're set type of matchup we have to do something different each matchup, each map. As maps improve, this should change though.
On September 17 2011 04:26 Xeris wrote: So were a ton of people who are currently good/known/reputable in SC2 ? What's your point #_#
He's been caught SO many times. Again and again and again. What the hell Xeris.
Agreed with jimminy_kriket. I think it's a pity that repeated previous offenses are just completely washed away regardless of what they've proved about themselves in the past. Executor was also known for his extreme bm towards admins and other competitors and was banned a lot of times for gratuitous flaming as well as hacking.
This is a real shame, Executor is probably the worst hacker from bw and a huge douche on top of that. He has ruined so many cw and his resume is atrocious. All of his achievements because of mh...
Yea I don't know how I feel about this...these guys shouldn't just get a fresh new start in sc2 just because it's a new game considering how bad they were (at least executor was) in bw.
In general I like the Fnatic team but I really question this decision. However, it's not for me to decide, so good luck Fnatic!
Xeris why people brings this up is because most of them never forgives a maphacker. Its not that eXeCuToR did it just once he did it more than once. And got caught every time of them.
Spades never cheated, he maphacked. And yes hes matured now but some people thinks without proof that some people doesn't really change.
Sorry to be negative but the past cannot simply be washed away. Executor was a dbag (and that is putting it lightly) in BW. It's just strange to see a respectable organization recruit someone whose resume is HIGHLY tainted.
I want the 2v2 scene to grow but I would hope for better ambassadors.
I want the 2v2 scene to grow but I would hope for better ambassadors.
Like who, protech? LOL!
manner and 2v2 don't particularly go hand in hand, trust me.
Azide, please stop playing the "we're PP and so abused" card, it's not valid. PP has some of the strongest one base pushes and deathball scenarios in the game all the way up from double 4 gate and you know it. You guys probably win 95% of your games that last from 8-13 minutes.
yeah it's easy to lose early, but that's because you're trying to eek out an advantage by both going cy core, if one of you forged and one of you fast stalker'd every game your mid game might not be as strong with the double tech you two like to do, but your bitching about being exploited early would cease.
By the way, nice pick up.. These guys seem very dedicated from what I've seen, and they're super nice and willing to discuss the game.
if marine = zealot = zergling, i could see 2v2 being a real MU, but as it stands its all about sling/smarine bumrushing the shit out of eachother with little real skill involved. so i don't see how picking up people for 2v2 makes any sense at all.
On September 17 2011 07:05 VTPerfect wrote: if marine = zealot = zergling, i could see 2v2 being a real MU, but as it stands its all about sling/smarine bumrushing the shit out of eachother with little real skill involved. so i don't see how picking up people for 2v2 makes any sense at all.
I don't know what a smarine is (speed marine? lol), but that's not at all what 2v2 is.
On September 17 2011 07:05 VTPerfect wrote: if marine = zealot = zergling, i could see 2v2 being a real MU, but as it stands its all about sling/smarine bumrushing the shit out of eachother with little real skill involved. so i don't see how picking up people for 2v2 makes any sense at all.
I don't know what a smarine is (speed marine? lol), but that's not at all what 2v2 is.
I want the 2v2 scene to grow but I would hope for better ambassadors.
Like who, protech? LOL!
manner and 2v2 don't particularly go hand in hand, trust me.
Azide, please stop playing the "we're PP and so abused" card, it's not valid. PP has some of the strongest one base pushes and deathball scenarios in the game all the way up from double 4 gate and you know it. You guys probably win 95% of your games that last from 8-13 minutes.
yeah it's easy to lose early, but that's because you're trying to eek out an advantage by both going cy core, if one of you forged and one of you fast stalker'd every game your mid game might not be as strong with the double tech you two like to do, but your bitching about being exploited early would cease.
By the way, nice pick up.. These guys seem very dedicated from what I've seen, and they're super nice and willing to discuss the game.
levels man, do you really know how bad 2 4 gates are in 2v2 vs good players? sure it would work in RT ladder but common dude... we are talking about sponsored teams at this point in this thread. or teams good enough to be.
PP has a lot of 1 base timing pushes that are strong however we have stopped trying to use these as they arent as good as you think. any team taht knows its coming, instantly shut down. its like a 1 trick pony, only would work once in a bo3 since it is so easily counterable. TZ has just as many strong timing pushes vs PP. if there was a way we could expand and macro and survive we would, trust me. in the maps with a free expo we take it almost every time. in the recent z33k tournament, the casters are predicting "oh they will double 4 gate and get an easy win" but they see us take a nexus and are baffled. we then lose the game to a good timing push by ax/strife.
we never both go cy core fyi, most of the time one will forge and one will gate. because thats the only choice when a zerg is in the equation. if one guy forges and one guy fast stalkers, what does taht accomplish? my stalker will get destroyed by a single proxied marauder which will then proceed to grow in numbers and pick off my gate as speedlings run past the cannons and into my base (tempest, again, comes to mind). so, we must invest massive amounts of cannons and try to get a tech advantage while surviving to kill marauders/marines somehow.
i just wish u would post with some relevant experience dude. like do u not think i know what im talking about after 100s of games as a PP team at top 10 NA ranking at the lowest? you cant tell me like in previous arguments to "try mothership rushing its one of the strongest PP strats out there" because that is laughable and just as bad as every other 1 base timing push if you know its coming
I want the 2v2 scene to grow but I would hope for better ambassadors.
Like who, protech? LOL!
manner and 2v2 don't particularly go hand in hand, trust me.
Azide, please stop playing the "we're PP and so abused" card, it's not valid. PP has some of the strongest one base pushes and deathball scenarios in the game all the way up from double 4 gate and you know it. You guys probably win 95% of your games that last from 8-13 minutes.
yeah it's easy to lose early, but that's because you're trying to eek out an advantage by both going cy core, if one of you forged and one of you fast stalker'd every game your mid game might not be as strong with the double tech you two like to do, but your bitching about being exploited early would cease.
By the way, nice pick up.. These guys seem very dedicated from what I've seen, and they're super nice and willing to discuss the game.
levels man,
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because that is laughable and just as bad as every other 1 base timing push if you know its coming
Fast stalker fends off a reaper/overlord scout etc. since your ally went forge first.
As for your main talking point, yes Azide, anything is stoppable when you know it's coming (and good players find ways to scout, go figure!), but that's not particularly relevant in my opinion. Zealots are ridiculously good defensively and protoss has enough "anti-scouting" to be unpredictable and safe in the early game.
What you're arguing is basic starcraft theory and applies to any match up.
You seem to think my argument is hinged on "PP is good because they have strong 1 base timings", but that was just a broad example from the bucket list of strong strategies PP can do. double proxy cheese, all the way to a double deathball, PP is perfectly fine.
your condescending appeal to rank or "playing good people" is, quite frankly, irrelevant as well. I mean, I missed you in PTSL....? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
well theres actually a number of 2v2 tournaments out there, particularly the ones by z33k and itsgosu. with of course the EG Masters, there might actually be a solid development of 2v2 play which is great.
On September 17 2011 11:50 JiYan wrote: well theres actually a number of 2v2 tournaments out there, particularly the ones by z33k and itsgosu. with of course the EG Masters, there might actually be a solid development of 2v2 play which is great.
it's not really "development" right now it's more like "devolution"
I want the 2v2 scene to grow but I would hope for better ambassadors.
Like who, protech? LOL!
manner and 2v2 don't particularly go hand in hand, trust me.
Azide, please stop playing the "we're PP and so abused" card, it's not valid. PP has some of the strongest one base pushes and deathball scenarios in the game all the way up from double 4 gate and you know it. You guys probably win 95% of your games that last from 8-13 minutes.
yeah it's easy to lose early, but that's because you're trying to eek out an advantage by both going cy core, if one of you forged and one of you fast stalker'd every game your mid game might not be as strong with the double tech you two like to do, but your bitching about being exploited early would cease.
By the way, nice pick up.. These guys seem very dedicated from what I've seen, and they're super nice and willing to discuss the game.
levels man,
[....]
because that is laughable and just as bad as every other 1 base timing push if you know its coming
Fast stalker fends off a reaper/overlord scout etc. since your ally went forge first.
As for your main talking point, yes Azide, anything is stoppable when you know it's coming (and good players find ways to scout, go figure!), but that's not particularly relevant in my opinion. Zealots are ridiculously good defensively and protoss has enough "anti-scouting" to be unpredictable and safe in the early game.
What you're arguing is basic starcraft theory and applies to any match up.
You seem to think my argument is hinged on "PP is good because they have strong 1 base timings", but that was just a broad example from the bucket list of strong strategies PP can do. double proxy cheese, all the way to a double deathball, PP is perfectly fine.
your condescending appeal to rank or "playing good people" is, quite frankly, irrelevant as well. I mean, I missed you in PTSL....? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What good is a fast stalker vs a proxied marauder? I have no issue with reaper/overlords.
A lot of things are scoutable, yes... a 3 gate expo vs zerg in 1v1 is scoutable... can the zerg punish it and win every time once they know what the protoss is doing? no, of course not. they can apply pressure and try to... but depending on how its played out someone will win and lose. double proxy is terrible LOL only good thing would be double deathball but good luck getting ot that point. and we have lost multiple games at that point in the game to good macro players.
you missed me in PSTL because i was gone for the summer when the open bracket was being done. otherwise i would have taken ur spot (im assumign you were in it)
On September 17 2011 18:05 IntotheNorth wrote: I would never forget the dark past executor has back in BW, once cheater, always cheater, soemthing you cant change.
I don't see how this statement makes any sense. Do you mean this literally? I mean, you can stop using hacks/cheats. If you are refering to people thinking of them as hackers/cheaters, then I guess it makes sense.
Anyhow, it's always nice to see the 2v2 scene grow, it makes for some interesting matches for sure. Good luck to fnatic in further team leagues!
On September 17 2011 05:18 Azide wrote: How so? I'm curious to have an example of where you felt we abused the races. As PP it feels like we are constantly at a disadvantage and lack map control (big understatement). Like I said, people do what they have to do to win. A lot of the time we try to play macro style. And we've lost a lot in a macro style game vs TZ/PZ teams like mystik/illusive and power/protech. PP isn't a one build order and you're set type of matchup we have to do something different each matchup, each map. As maps improve, this should change though.
There is so much cheese you can do to me as a Zerg and also i cant apply early pressue due to mass sentry + gate wall off. Also if i go macro style you can feed one for mass voidray and Zergs anti air sucks vs 4 base Protoss when im on 2 You are very good so nothing against your skill level but i think you know what i mean.
On September 17 2011 05:18 Azide wrote: How so? I'm curious to have an example of where you felt we abused the races. As PP it feels like we are constantly at a disadvantage and lack map control (big understatement). Like I said, people do what they have to do to win. A lot of the time we try to play macro style. And we've lost a lot in a macro style game vs TZ/PZ teams like mystik/illusive and power/protech. PP isn't a one build order and you're set type of matchup we have to do something different each matchup, each map. As maps improve, this should change though.
There is so much cheese you can do to me as a Zerg and also i cant apply early pressue due to mass sentry + gate wall off. Also if i go macro style you can feed one for mass voidray and Zergs anti air sucks vs 4 base Protoss when im on 2 You are very good so nothing against your skill level but i think you know what i mean.
Im high ranked Masters, finished like 9th in NA and 26th Global last season. Azide and Superninja are hands down the best PP team, while i agree vs a T i believe PP may struggle but vs a Zerg id like to know more on this . I think out of the multiple times ive played them ive managed 1 or 2 wins and i try to think of a counter to it but i dont see it possibly.
Also that 400 supply death ball you get to in late game is like unstoppable.
On September 17 2011 18:32 Kennigit wrote: lol Xeris, i don't think you can say "i believe in innocent until proven guilty" when there is a history of hacking haha.
Either way, they did well in PSTL, congrats on the pick up.
Think he is referring to his sc2 career.
Some1 said about TT1 that has showed to be fair in sc2, and the same reasoning goes for executor, not a single proof but protech whining like a crybaby even winning (he's so cocky he might think he is that good, he wins even cheating opponents)
On September 18 2011 00:02 NrT.RuSH wrote: Im high ranked Masters, finished like 9th in NA and 26th Global last season. Azide and Superninja are hands down the best PP team, while i agree vs a T i believe PP may struggle but vs a Zerg id like to know more on this . I think out of the multiple times ive played them ive managed 1 or 2 wins and i try to think of a counter to it but i dont see it possibly.
Also that 400 supply death ball you get to in late game is like unstoppable.
You have heard of rauder/ling pushes and similar things? Guess not...
On September 18 2011 00:02 NrT.RuSH wrote: Im high ranked Masters, finished like 9th in NA and 26th Global last season. Azide and Superninja are hands down the best PP team, while i agree vs a T i believe PP may struggle but vs a Zerg id like to know more on this . I think out of the multiple times ive played them ive managed 1 or 2 wins and i try to think of a counter to it but i dont see it possibly.
Also that 400 supply death ball you get to in late game is like unstoppable.
You have heard of rauder/ling pushes and similar things? Guess not...
Ah yes the AUTO win vs mass sentry and stalkers and cannons! I totally forgot about that!
On September 17 2011 18:32 Kennigit wrote: lol Xeris, i don't think you can say "i believe in innocent until proven guilty" when there is a history of hacking haha.
Either way, they did well in PSTL, congrats on the pick up.
Really, Kennigit? Has he hacked in SC2? What about TT1, Spades, LastShadow? All of those guys have proven that just because you hacked in BW, it doesn't have to translate over to SC2. That argument is so stupid... hacking in 2006 and playing SC2 in 2011. Huge divide.
I've been talking to them for over a month, and didn't make this decision lightly.
On September 18 2011 00:02 NrT.RuSH wrote: Im high ranked Masters, finished like 9th in NA and 26th Global last season. Azide and Superninja are hands down the best PP team, while i agree vs a T i believe PP may struggle but vs a Zerg id like to know more on this . I think out of the multiple times ive played them ive managed 1 or 2 wins and i try to think of a counter to it but i dont see it possibly.
Also that 400 supply death ball you get to in late game is like unstoppable.
You have heard of rauder/ling pushes and similar things? Guess not...
Ah yes the AUTO win vs mass sentry and stalkers and cannons! I totally forgot about that!
not really on a lot of the maps you cant do anything about it because you wont have enough sentries fast enough for the wide ramps. OR, the ramps are too small at the bottom to block (tempest comes to mind). you can build 3 cannons max but as soon as the gate and forge are killed by marauders the lings have a field day running by once the 1 or 2 sentries u have by that time are out of energy. not to mention your gateway is dead so you cant keep making units until your 2nd and 3rd one are up which will be just around the time yours dies. even roach marauder... its very very very possible to lose, and hard to hold
if you dont scout a proxy perfectly or know what they are doing, you lose quit easily its simple as that. the fact that you are zerg means we cant just leave our bases whenever we want and expand in fear of being surrounded by mass mass lings and then a moved with stim by a terran or something similar
the worst is u scout a proxy and they dont go all in with it so you prepare, u mass cannons, u get some kinda tech out... but its faked pressure and they are both expanding and macroing up and you have a useless amount of cannons at your natural.
Like i said Azide, much respect for you as a player, def a top 2v2 player imo. I just feel PP is not as weak as you think coming from a Zergs perspective.
can't stop proxy marauders and lings? all you have to do is have one or both of you 2 gate zealot. zealots destroy that crappy strategy i haven't lose to marauder ling in so long
GJ fanatic for picking the most recidive maphacker in SC1. He was caught hacking for years and when you speak to him about it this is what he has to say: "It's just a game, chill bro, I don't care". Really bad move there, we should exclude these players from competitions.
On September 18 2011 01:02 Skillver wrote: Well I don't play PP, but I point out my feelings as a PT team. Well we shouldn't abuse this thread for some 2v2 balance discussions
This.
More congratulations/speculation on whether or not eXeCuToR is actually haXeCuToR.
First off, Congrats.
Secondly, a few friends and I have our own personal speculations on just how 'legit' eXeCuToR is. But we haven't yet put it all together to see if there is anything that's actually SUBSTANTIAL rather than, well...speculation.
So for now, once again Congrats on the new additions to your team.
On September 18 2011 00:57 hipsterHobbit wrote: can't stop proxy marauders and lings? all you have to do is have one or both of you 2 gate zealot. zealots destroy that crappy strategy i haven't lose to marauder ling in so long
ok ill stop with the balance discussion. too many trollevels
What am i even supposed to say to that? Are you saying 2 gating doesn't work vs that cheese? Once you have a critical mass of zealots no amount of lings will do anything to you and you can just chase the marauders away over and over.
Also, what's your point coming in here and saying PP sucks? Are you saying if your matchup was stronger fnaticMSI would have picked up you and superninja instead? and I quote "LOOOOOOOOL"
ok ill stop with the balance discussion. too many trollevels
What am i even supposed to say to that? Are you saying 2 gating doesn't work vs that cheese? Once you have a critical mass of zealots no amount of lings will do anything to you and you can just chase the marauders away over and over.
Also, what's your point coming in here and saying PP sucks? Are you saying if your matchup was stronger fnaticMSI would have picked up you and superninja instead? and I quote "LOOOOOOOOL"
i dont think Azide was saying fnaticMSI would pick him up. He was responding to a question i asked. And we werent doing a "Balance discussion". I just made a point and he asked for a example then other people gave their opinion
I think everyone deserves a second chance, especially since this is a new game. I've played them both in 2v2 and 1v1, they are very mannered and legitimately good so congratulations to them for joining FnaticMSI, looking forward to seeing more 2v2 in leagues
As a big fan of 2v2s I'm happy with the news even if it is these two guys.
To the people saying about TT1 doing so well why would they get a 2v2 team for clan wars, well there is a huge difference in a 1v1 player playing 2s sometimes when he gets bored vs 2 people that play together everyday and witness all the different changes when they happen. That is the reason why PSTL ended with 2 2v2 teams and not any of the 1v1 pros.
On September 17 2011 18:32 Kennigit wrote: lol Xeris, i don't think you can say "i believe in innocent until proven guilty" when there is a history of hacking haha.
Either way, they did well in PSTL, congrats on the pick up.
Really, Kennigit? Has he hacked in SC2? What about TT1, Spades, LastShadow? All of those guys have proven that just because you hacked in BW, it doesn't have to translate over to SC2. That argument is so stupid... hacking in 2006 and playing SC2 in 2011. Huge divide.
I've been talking to them for over a month, and didn't make this decision lightly.
I love your attitude on how you can and should wash away the past and there's no solid evidence regarding sc2 other than the speculation (and I'm highly suspicious of it but wouldn't say its concrete) but I'll never understand the majority of the sc2 community and this whole idea that cheaters should get as many chances as they want.
BM is part of the game so who cares if they were rude but only in starcraft 2 have I seen this global disgusting behavior across all players and fans that BM is far far far far worse than history of hacking. If they raged on everyone instead of that fake nice attitude I suddenly noticed they pulled out of no where during the PTSL I'm sure you wouldn't have picked them up, which is where the joke lies.
I think thats one of the problems with sc2 fans and I dont understand why most people are so innocent :| ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Personally I only liked sen on your team in terms of skill (relative to other progamers of course) but you guys lost him for whatever reason so w/e. Hey don't worry though, in 4 years you should recruit sorcery and vitamin ^O^O^O^ I'm sure they will have changed too :D
ugh, you added eXe? not cool, one of my most hated players of all time, I really can't support this decision but good luck to the rest of fnatic, I just hope your 2v2 team loses every match they play.
On September 17 2011 18:32 Kennigit wrote: lol Xeris, i don't think you can say "i believe in innocent until proven guilty" when there is a history of hacking haha.
Either way, they did well in PSTL, congrats on the pick up.
Really, Kennigit? Has he hacked in SC2? What about TT1, Spades, LastShadow? All of those guys have proven that just because you hacked in BW, it doesn't have to translate over to SC2. That argument is so stupid... hacking in 2006 and playing SC2 in 2011. Huge divide.
I've been talking to them for over a month, and didn't make this decision lightly.
I love your attitude on how you can and should wash away the past and there's no solid evidence regarding sc2 other than the speculation (and I'm highly suspicious of it but wouldn't say its concrete) but I'll never understand the majority of the sc2 community and this whole idea that cheaters should get as many chances as they want.
BM is part of the game so who cares if they were rude but only in starcraft 2 have I seen this global disgusting behavior across all players and fans that BM is far far far far worse than history of hacking. If they raged on everyone instead of that fake nice attitude I suddenly noticed they pulled out of no where during the PTSL I'm sure you wouldn't have picked them up, which is where the joke lies.
I think thats one of the problems with sc2 fans and I dont understand why most people are so innocent :| ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Personally I only liked sen on your team in terms of skill (relative to other progamers of course) but you guys lost him for whatever reason so w/e. Hey don't worry though, in 4 years you should recruit sorcery and vitamin ^O^O^O^ I'm sure they will have changed too :D
you talk shit out of your ass and it hurts me. i know ieza and exe for quite some time now, and they have a history of being good mannered pretty much all the time in cws / tours and even ladder. it's because of people like you that rumours become reputations. why do you talk about them? you don't know them.
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