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On September 15 2011 01:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 23:57 Chill wrote:On September 14 2011 23:30 Micket wrote:
Artosis said on a sotg episode that mid masters NA players couldn't get out of Plat in KR. So, this situation is probably quite common.
I think NA and Eu are similar (mid masters NA = low masters Eu?) but KR is ridiculous. Artosis also likes to make bold biased claims. I love the guy, but don't take something he said in passing as the truth. I think Chill is correct here. Most people who play Sc2 do so casually, and for Plat League to be at a higher level in KR than in NA would mean thatn the 60-79th percentiles of players would have to be better. Also, Artosis may have been joking, or may have misspoken somewhere. Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 22:13 titan55 wrote:
I noticed in NA, i have a lot of build order win but on this Asian server, i'm having ZERO build orders. Games are much more macro orientated and I'm pretty much only having a 60% win percentage here in platinum
I've played like two(2) macro games total on KR. I get 6-pooled, roach rushed, baneling busted, 4gated, 3gate VR allined, 2gated, thor rushed, bio rushed, marine scv allined, etc most of my games. In my experience, Koreans are in a big rush to finish the game. There's a reason the most aggressive, fastest, deadliest and all-innest 4-warpgate rush is called the Korean 4gate.
Yeah I thought it was strange that he was experiencing more "macro" games in KR server. Normally macro phase begins once a player has given up on an aggression (or a player successfully defended). A lot of builds that are considered "cheese" (such as marine/scv and 1/1/1) come much faster and stronger.
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The KR server is no joke, my MMR puts me against Top Plat/ Daimond players for the most part and I'm Master in NA.
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On September 15 2011 03:11 sm0b wrote:
The KR server is no joke, my MMR puts me against Top Plat/ Daimond players for the most part and I'm Master in NA.
Are you playing with the lag though?
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On September 15 2011 03:04 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2011 01:39 Blazinghand wrote:On September 14 2011 23:57 Chill wrote:On September 14 2011 23:30 Micket wrote:
Artosis said on a sotg episode that mid masters NA players couldn't get out of Plat in KR. So, this situation is probably quite common.
I think NA and Eu are similar (mid masters NA = low masters Eu?) but KR is ridiculous. Artosis also likes to make bold biased claims. I love the guy, but don't take something he said in passing as the truth. I think Chill is correct here. Most people who play Sc2 do so casually, and for Plat League to be at a higher level in KR than in NA would mean thatn the 60-79th percentiles of players would have to be better. Also, Artosis may have been joking, or may have misspoken somewhere. On September 14 2011 22:13 titan55 wrote:
I noticed in NA, i have a lot of build order win but on this Asian server, i'm having ZERO build orders. Games are much more macro orientated and I'm pretty much only having a 60% win percentage here in platinum
I've played like two(2) macro games total on KR. I get 6-pooled, roach rushed, baneling busted, 4gated, 3gate VR allined, 2gated, thor rushed, bio rushed, marine scv allined, etc most of my games. In my experience, Koreans are in a big rush to finish the game. There's a reason the most aggressive, fastest, deadliest and all-innest 4-warpgate rush is called the Korean 4gate. Yeah I thought it was strange that he was experiencing more "macro" games in KR server. Normally macro phase begins once a player has given up on an aggression (or a player successfully defended). A lot of builds that are considered "cheese" (such as marine/scv and 1/1/1) come much faster and stronger.
I experience most of the time macro games on korea where as on NA I get cheese for what seems most of my games now of days. (although I kind of stopped playing on NA as I have played like maybe 15 ladder games in the past 2 or so weeks mainly play korea). I am high masters/gm on NA (didn't get gm this season as again mainly play korean) and I'm mid-high masters on korea and I play a lot more macro oriented games.
The skill level between the servers is very large, and the average korean is a lot better then the average EU/NA players its why the korean server is such good practice. Their builds are a lot more refined, better macro, better multi tasking, just better game play.
but to the OP, not playing for 2 weeks does make you rusty and then playing on the hardest server out there doesn't help either. I know a couple mid-low masters player on NA who play on korea but can't get out of diamond so don't feel to bad just have to get used to the playstyle and seeing flaws in your builds. I have found many flaws in my zvt/zvp from playing on korea and its helped me make some huge adjustments and now I just have a more refined build ^_^.
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I was #7 GM on NA season 2. I've lost to platinum players on KR multiple times.
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Currently I'm about 820 with 160 pool masters in NA and about 530 +100ish pool diamond in KR. I've only played about 60 games on the KR server so far but but I have about a 65% win rate so far so I should be a little bit higher in diamond. There's definitely a noticeable and significant difference between the skill level of the korean ladder and the NA ladder. Sometimes on NA I play a 900 masters level guy and I shake my head thinking wow, the last platinum korean guy I played was much better than this.
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Wow i figured US Masters would be Gold Kr level, I guess I was close enough. They are actually just that much better so dont freak out. You just wont have your shiny feel good masters icon anymore, but the higher competition will make you an actually better player. Its a 100% win for you as long as you arnt one of those superficial people.
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Blazinghand
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On September 15 2011 03:34 R0YAL wrote:
Wow i figured US Masters would be Gold Kr level, I guess I was close enough. They are actually just that much better so dont freak out. You just wont have your shiny feel good masters icon anymore, but the higher competition will make you an actually better player. Its a 100% win for you as long as you arnt one of those superficial people.
Technically, unless you're at the very very top of the NA server, it's the same level of competition; you'll win over 50% rate until you're up against opponents of your skill level. If you're playing tougher players on KR, you'll get demoted until you're facing opponents of the same skill, since that's how MMR works.
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Yea tw/kr server is definitely harder. I bought a taiwanese account a while back (when I was in high diamond) and i was plat, almost diamond. I havn't playedon it for a while, but the skill gap is quite noticeable. I'd say the distribution is high diamond-low masters (NA) is plat (KR), mid masters (NA) is diamond (KR), and high masters (NA) somewhere between high diamond-high-ish masters (KR). I can't say for gm, but there are many gm in NA who are not gm in KR.
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Opinion: The average EU/KR player is better than NA.
[Don't kid yourselves with the mysticism. For every great Korean player, there are thousands of Korean newbs. Starcraft to Korea is not like soccer to Brazil, where any average dude off the street could take on any American collegiate-level soccer player.]
Fact: There are a larger number of good players in EU/KR. This results in a steeper skill curve and a masters-skilled NA player would be repositioned into plat/diamond in KR/EU server.
Leagues are not standardized. It's all curves
I think, like most people, you are overrating the EU ladder. A NA master would definitely still stay master on EU (and probably at around the same ratings to be fair). To be honest, I think the only real difference is that EU seems to have better zergs overall.
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