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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
This could also create a intersting mechanic : The protoss player sees baneling drop incoming on his ball -> immediatly clumps all of his unit to prevent the baneling rain, leaving his army vulnerable to fungals even more. We'll just have to see how it goes if this change gets implemented in the patch release, anyways this is a BIG change in the game mechanics. | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:49 ohampatu wrote: As a toss player, i dont mind if they can drop on my army actually. LOL, i was just proving it is indeed a bug fix. Ideally, i think they should keep it in, and mebe tweak code untill its working as intended. Something like, 'banes can drop when 'this much' space is open'. So like, if theres even just a small amount, banes will still work. That way it still prevents other units from abusing this. Cuzz currently you can abuse this mechanic with different units as zerg. Really? Because I was under the impression (and correct me if I'm wrong) that this was a problem specific to banelings, not overlords-- you can't drop roaches or queens or whatever into the middle of armies unless there's space (out of any transport, medivac, warp prism, etc) whereas you can drop banes wherever you want (out of any transport, medivac, warp prism, etc) in the current patch, and in the PTR they're patching banelings, not overlords. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:39 spbelky wrote: I can't tell if half the people in this thread are huge trolls or like complaining for the sake of it. Stop being being so overdramatic, half of you are acting as if they patched it so banelings can no longer be loaded in to overlords period. As stated before, this is a BUG FIX. Meaning there was something innately broken, that is now being fixed. For those of you saying "well, considering how a baneling works, it would make sense for it to be able to drop on top of things even if there isn't space". I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but there are a lot of things that occur in this game that don't seem physically possible, but somehow are; as well as some things that should be allowed to occur, logically, but a las can not. Yes, logically a baneling should be able to drop out of the sky and explode on impact on to a clump of units. However, following that logic, a COMMAND CENTER should be able to land on a BURROWED ZERGLING. Unfortunately, neither of these actions can actually occur in game. There are rules and restrictions to this game. Some of them follow the logic of physics, some follow the logic of balance, and others follow the logic of the game engine. Just because something is a bug doesn't mean it should be taken out of gameplay for that reason in and of itself. See every major esport title for instances of this. Saying "DERP It's a bug, rules, must come out!!1" isn't a good argument. | ||
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Binabik
Germany686 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:49 FrodaN wrote: So...Blizzard meant to put in an intelligent nerf, but instead broke it to make baneling drops useless. I just hope they don't treat this like the phoenix bugs... Oh boy how long did that exist? Like 4 weeks? ._. That was the worst time ever ^^ I'd be fine if they refix it, I never had problems with Banelings the last few weeks. | ||
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InstantKarma
United States205 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:45 ohampatu wrote: I repeat: You misunderstand. The test above proves that Zerg drops aren't following the same 'rules' that Terran and Protoss's are. I dont care how long its been being used. If i can't duplicate the same drop pattern you can do on a different race, its bugged. Get off your high horse. Too many zerg have been doing ez drops on us thinking is ok, and its not. Also, this is ptr. They are prolly working on the code to perfect it how they want. They dont care 'how youve been playing for months'. I don't misunderstand. It's you that can't grasp the importance of dynamic play in an RTS game. Why can't these drops be unique to banelings? It doesn't matter if it was a bug or not. It adds an extra dimension of strategy to the game. What if stacking air units was considered a bug and removed? It makes no sense. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
To Zerg players: Shit hasn't changed you're still gonna own toss that stand under ovies. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:45 Logros wrote: Why do people keep posting like baneling drops aren't possible anymore? Multiple people have tried it out on PTR and it's still fine. Because multiple people post without thinking and than other people that just want to post something quote them and argue about something that isn't even in the video and more importantly in the notes. The reason why I am so convinced that the video shows a unintended version of the mechanic now is that the patch notes say something completely different and if you think logically what are the chances that the content of the sentence is not accurate to the coding of the game not being accurate to what they had in mind. This is the equivalent of a patch note that says" Colossus can no longer get vision up cliffs" and than a video showing a Colossus shooting down a fucking viking. People are arguing just for the sake of arguing by now. | ||
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:50 Deimos0 wrote: I fail to see how you can call an argument that bling drops are bug 'wrong' while stating, that drops were 'unique strategy'. Bug is still a bug, especially drops for P and T were designed on the same scheme - no dropping units when there's no space left. I don't see any reasons why Zerg shouldn't follow the same rule. And by the way - just try it on PTR instead of crying - there were a post clearly stating that it is possible. Lol we are not raging that it will not be possible, you are quite right. But we are just simply debating about the attention and the original interest of blizzard of making/trying to apply this change. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:52 Binabik wrote: Oh boy how long did that exist? Like 4 weeks? ._. That was the worst time ever ^^ I'd be fine if they refix it, I never had problems with Banelings the last few weeks. I think this is just on the PTR-- not on the actual ladder servers, so in that respect you don't have to worry. | ||
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:36 FabledIntegral wrote: What? It's important for balance. Nothing to do with "because it's exploitable." I still argue it's hardly even an exploit, it's utterly stupid you can't drop a SUICIDE unit that's meant to explode on contact on an enemy army. You don't drop marines as bombs onto the enemy, they're meant to land and fight, with banelings you want the opposite effect. That's not necessarily true. I have seen a TvZ where a Terran dropped marines onto banelings on the ground to kill them inefficiently for the Zerg. This bug fix would stop that as well. In any case, I think people should chill. We seem to be getting different information from different people. Some people have tested it and the baneling drops do not work, while others have tested it and they still work. Perhaps we should wait until we see if this change goes through, and then what the pros think of it when they try executing it. Did it ever occur to some of you that the guy in the initial video is executing it poorly? Or as someone mentioned earlier that an army on the move will naturally create enough openings for the baneling drops to still work? I just don't see a reason to get all in a huff over something that we don't know if it will even come to fruition. | ||
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RTudoRR
Romania216 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:03 demonik187 wrote: As much as I hate to say it, Banelings drops in a dense area actually make more sense because they never technically should touch the ground as they explode on impact. Other units I could see not being able to drop if the area is too packed with units/stuff. then maybe banelings should do friendly fire aswell?? since hey , it makes a HELL lot of sense that when something EXPLODES it doesn't care if it's friend or foe right? | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:52 TheKefka wrote: Because multiple people post without thinking and than other people that just want to post something quote them and argue about something that isn't even in the video and more importantly in the notes. The reason why I am so convinced that the video shows a unintended version the the mechanic now is that the patch notes say something completely different and if you think logically what are the chances that the content of the sentence is not accurate to the coding of the game not being accurate to what they had in mind. This is the equivalent of a patch note that says" Colossus can no longer get vision up cliffs" and than a video showing a Colossus shooting down a fucking viking. Colossus with anti-air now that's something that would flood the world in tears | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:52 TheKefka wrote: Because multiple people post without thinking and than other people that just want to post something quote them and argue about something that isn't even in the video and more importantly in the notes. The reason why I am so convinced that the video shows a unintended version the the mechanic now is that the patch notes say something completely different and if you think logically what are the chances that the content of the sentence is not accurate to the coding of the game not being accurate to what they had in mind. This is the equivalent of a patch note that says" Colossus can no longer get vision up cliffs" and than a video showing a Colossus shooting down a fucking viking. Hahahaha :D You're so right | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:53 flowSthead wrote:Did it ever occur to some of you that the guy in the initial video is executing it poorly? Or as someone mentioned earlier that an army on the move will naturally create enough openings for the baneling drops to still work? I just don't see a reason to get all in a huff over something that we don't know if it will even come to fruition. The same person made both videos and the Zealot balls appear equally clumped | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:52 TheKefka wrote: This is the equivalent of a patch note that says" Colossus can no longer get vision up cliffs" and than a video showing a Colossus shooting down a fucking viking. This is so beautiful. I think this is a good point. Whether or not the nerf is warranted (I play terran, I have no comment on PvZ) an unintended consequence is unintended. | ||
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Deimos0
Poland277 Posts
Lol we are not raging that it will not be possible, you are quite right. But we are just simply debating about the attention and the original interest of blizzard of making/trying to apply this change. Apparently some users still are raging (or it is just maybe me replying too slow). There were few statements from Blizzard that changes on PTR are a result of observing games - if it is true in this banelings' case, then something about that drops must have caught testers' attention. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:33 hunts wrote: so with fungal nerf, NP nerf, baneling drop removal, this leaveszerg with what exactly vs a protoss death ball? Next time, before you post such clueless comments, realize that the number of fungals required to kill any protoss unit is totally unchanged from previous patch. People just post random shit and lose their head when they see stuff in the patch notes. Also test stuff out for yourself on PTR. instead of relying on some random person's video. If something is broken, Blizzard will fix it. After all, you zergs got buff after bufff after buff through incessant whining. You will receive buffs if required. | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:05 Olsson wrote: Great. Two things viable against protoss deathball: Fungal: Nerfed but will still be decent. Baneling Rain: Completely nullified and worthless now. Don't forget the neural parasite nerf  | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
Look at the last baneling dropped from the last overlord. It is dropped out of synch (later than it should be) and it's dropped further forward than you'd expect, outside the zealot ball. Presumably because there was no room to drop. If that's the case then I don't think anything has changed and the guy making the experiment wasn't careful enough to have identical zealot clumps. | ||
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