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On September 06 2011 00:16 lisward wrote:
I think it's very funny how people compare Major to Idra. Although Idra has been under performing of recent, he is nonetheless still one of the top level foreigners, with many achievements to back himself up. Idra is similar to Major in the sense that he can be unprofessional, mostly for getting frustrated after a loss and venting his anger on his opponent through personal attacks etc.
However, I feel that Idra is way more professional when it comes to his work ethics. He definitely trains hard for his games and he functions well in Team EG. He has also contributed much to the esports scene, bringing much interest into Starcraft 2 due to his outspoken and unique personality, being a host in the Starcraft 2 'show', Inside the Game, and one of the pioneer foreign Starcraft progamers, be it Brood War or Wings of Liberty.
What value has Major on the other hand, created for Starcraft? Although I am not familiar with the Brood War scene, I have heard much about Major being a menace in that scene, jumping from teams to teams and being an asshole. I did a quick check in Liquidpedia to take a look at his achievements in Starcraft 2; he's definitely not one of the 'best' foreigners so as to speak. His results are limited to mini online tourneys, although he did win the Latin Bnet Invitationals.
I'd like to point out that Major isn't BM, he is more than that, he is a blatant asshole. Idra may be considered by some to be 'asshole' by his childish 'rage' antics, but in comparison to what Major does, he is nothing. I'd like to talk about the SEA tourney hosted by Dox which Major fucked up for example. The SEA tourney was a mini online tourney with a prize pool of $500 fully paid for by Dox because he loved Starcraft 2 and he wanted to organize a tournament for the SEA community. Major having interest in taking part in that tournament, went to one of the admins of the tournament to clarify the rules on participation and was told that he could not participate as he was not a member of the SEA community. He then contacts Dox only on the day of the tournament, abusing him for an hour, calling him a 'faggot' and what not for not letting him play, and then goes on to smurf in the tournament, and like a moron, get caught. Showing no remorse for his actions, he proceeds to enter the stream chat for another hour and pick fights with people. A thread in TL was created by a disgruntled audience/participant of the tournament, and Major responded to the harsh reaction from the TL community by calling the SEA community shit and lying about the whole fiasco (it's funny how he blatantly lied about what went on in the chat between him and an admin, when a screenshot was posted showing the whole convo in the original post).
Now for you people who are thinking, what does this have ANYTHING to do with making his sponsors look bad, I'd like to put a quote, one of many such comments made in the thread regarding his behavior.
I think Idra and Major is very similar. If idra was on sixjax right now and they didnt sent him to MLG and deny his trip to korea, I bet you anything that Idra would start up a bigger shit storm than this.
Idra has many achievement(not really) dude is just at every major tournament. I think he's been only placed first at 1 MLG and 1 other tournament.
Major has only been to like 2 mlg and 1 blizzard invitation. Placed first at blizzard invitation.
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Recruiting Juan Lopez into SJ was the greatest blunder Artosis has ever made. Closely followed by the Artosis pylon.
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On September 06 2011 00:41 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:16 lisward wrote:
I think it's very funny how people compare Major to Idra. Although Idra has been under performing of recent, he is nonetheless still one of the top level foreigners, with many achievements to back himself up. Idra is similar to Major in the sense that he can be unprofessional, mostly for getting frustrated after a loss and venting his anger on his opponent through personal attacks etc.
However, I feel that Idra is way more professional when it comes to his work ethics. He definitely trains hard for his games and he functions well in Team EG. He has also contributed much to the esports scene, bringing much interest into Starcraft 2 due to his outspoken and unique personality, being a host in the Starcraft 2 'show', Inside the Game, and one of the pioneer foreign Starcraft progamers, be it Brood War or Wings of Liberty.
What value has Major on the other hand, created for Starcraft? Although I am not familiar with the Brood War scene, I have heard much about Major being a menace in that scene, jumping from teams to teams and being an asshole. I did a quick check in Liquidpedia to take a look at his achievements in Starcraft 2; he's definitely not one of the 'best' foreigners so as to speak. His results are limited to mini online tourneys, although he did win the Latin Bnet Invitationals.
I'd like to point out that Major isn't BM, he is more than that, he is a blatant asshole. Idra may be considered by some to be 'asshole' by his childish 'rage' antics, but in comparison to what Major does, he is nothing. I'd like to talk about the SEA tourney hosted by Dox which Major fucked up for example. The SEA tourney was a mini online tourney with a prize pool of $500 fully paid for by Dox because he loved Starcraft 2 and he wanted to organize a tournament for the SEA community. Major having interest in taking part in that tournament, went to one of the admins of the tournament to clarify the rules on participation and was told that he could not participate as he was not a member of the SEA community. He then contacts Dox only on the day of the tournament, abusing him for an hour, calling him a 'faggot' and what not for not letting him play, and then goes on to smurf in the tournament, and like a moron, get caught. Showing no remorse for his actions, he proceeds to enter the stream chat for another hour and pick fights with people. A thread in TL was created by a disgruntled audience/participant of the tournament, and Major responded to the harsh reaction from the TL community by calling the SEA community shit and lying about the whole fiasco (it's funny how he blatantly lied about what went on in the chat between him and an admin, when a screenshot was posted showing the whole convo in the original post).
Now for you people who are thinking, what does this have ANYTHING to do with making his sponsors look bad, I'd like to put a quote, one of many such comments made in the thread regarding his behavior.
I think Idra and Major is very similar. If idra was on sixjax right now and they didnt sent him to MLG and deny his trip to korea, I bet you anything that Idra would start up a bigger shit storm than this.
Lol i am sure you didn't read any of that.
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After reading that second statement, which really does clear things up, it is obviously apparent that SJ made the right decision. Ultimately Major was acting like a child, reflecting his immaturity as not only a player, but in representing a larger organization.
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On September 05 2011 00:43 justnoob.br wrote:
the problem of e-Sports is that kids (yeah, like 22 - 25 yr that are mentally kids) are playing in the professional scene.
when players realize that sports needs ethics and professionalism, then we'll see the real professionals in action.
congrats to sixjax gaming for taking this decision.
There's a lot more problems than just the lack of professionalism among some players. Sure we have Maj0r or IdrA who are notorious for their horrible mannerisms and poor sportsmanship, but so does any sport. It's not just E-Sports that has players who act like (pardon the language, but it's really the best word) utter douche-bags.
Is SK.Swarm raging at his teammate + Show Spoiler + really any worse than the way Terrell Owens acts towards his teammates. I'm an Eagles fan and I remember back when we were doing well Owens was acting like an absolute prick.
But as far as grown men acting childishly about their contracts with teams, if you think that's something exclusively found in E-Sports than you must be crazy.
EDIT: I didn't even realize that there was any debate over Maj0r being similar to IdrA. IdrA acts more childishly towards his opponents whereas Maj0r just has a serious problem with authority. Both are really big problems, but they are a bit different. You don't hear stories about IdrA cheating, but you also don't hear as many stories about Maj0r BMing the crap out of his opponent. They're both BM, but still very different.
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On September 06 2011 00:37 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:35 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:33 zeru wrote:On September 06 2011 00:26 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 23:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 05 2011 21:53 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 21:51 KristianJS wrote:
Some people seem to think that being in a team is a one way deal. The team provides for the player period and expects nothing in return. That's bullshit. The deal goes both ways. If Major doesn't respect his contractual obligations then sixjax have no reason whatsoever to respect his wishes. People need to stop talking about the contract like they have seen what it says. So many gaming organizations contracts are extremely vague and undetailed. Well, you don't know what's in the contract either, so why don't you just shut up? The second statement from SixJax explains specific contract conditions that Major broke, some of them even were widely known in TL before (like the swearing at wbc). What more do you need to shut up about how Major isn't at fault here when he clearly is? 1. I never claimed to know whats in the contract 2. I never said major isnt at fault 3. The only thing which is mentioned to be an actual contract breach so far is about not wearing team shirt. 4. Why so aggressive? I'm simply saying sixjax is a trashy organization which is financed by shady ways to aquire money but still can't afford to send a single player to MLG and doesn't live up to their side of their agreements either. So you don't think looking for other teams is a breach of his own team's contract? Of course it is, I don't even have to look at the actual contract to know it is. Being aggressive to his own teammats? Nevermind the contract, you think any team would think that's acceptable? Refusing to play? Didn't you stop and think for a second that that might be a breach on a contract of a PLAYER? About point number 4 of your (nerdy) breakdown list, I'm tired of you and all your idiotic posts on this thread. Over and over again more facts come up and more people reaffirm what actually everyone already knew, that Major is a spoiled asshole that can't sit still in a team if they aren't feeding grapes to his mouth by an arabian slave while he chills at a pool, and you still come here and not only defend the guy, but also on completely irrational grounds. Regardless of SixJax's history as a company (and not as a sponsor, which by the way is an entirely different thing), Major's history on every other team pretty much reaffirms that it's Major who's at fault here. Again. Haha, the grounds arent irrational at all. Just because major did things wrong doesn't mean sixjax didn't, which is the way you are thinking, that if anything is irrational. But looking at your post you are pretty mad and people often don't think straight when they are mad.  It's only breach of contract if its listed in the contract. You don't have to know whats in the contract to know whats in the contract? Doesn't make any sense at all. You have no clue at all what is detailed in the contract, neither do I, but I'm not trying to argue that the things he did are contract breaches or not, you are. ...So you don't think it's not a breach of a player's contract if the player refuses to play? I hope you're joking, because the alternative is that you're simply too dense to make a coherent argument. I have seen several gaming contracts from different games and organizations, not all of them prevent the player from talking to other teams. I'm not dense at all
You're not even responding to what I said, so I'll ask again:
So you don't think it's not a breach of a player's contract if the player refuses to play?
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On September 06 2011 00:37 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:35 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:33 zeru wrote:On September 06 2011 00:26 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 23:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 05 2011 21:53 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 21:51 KristianJS wrote:
Some people seem to think that being in a team is a one way deal. The team provides for the player period and expects nothing in return. That's bullshit. The deal goes both ways. If Major doesn't respect his contractual obligations then sixjax have no reason whatsoever to respect his wishes. People need to stop talking about the contract like they have seen what it says. So many gaming organizations contracts are extremely vague and undetailed. Well, you don't know what's in the contract either, so why don't you just shut up? The second statement from SixJax explains specific contract conditions that Major broke, some of them even were widely known in TL before (like the swearing at wbc). What more do you need to shut up about how Major isn't at fault here when he clearly is? 1. I never claimed to know whats in the contract 2. I never said major isnt at fault 3. The only thing which is mentioned to be an actual contract breach so far is about not wearing team shirt. 4. Why so aggressive? I'm simply saying sixjax is a trashy organization which is financed by shady ways to aquire money but still can't afford to send a single player to MLG and doesn't live up to their side of their agreements either. So you don't think looking for other teams is a breach of his own team's contract? Of course it is, I don't even have to look at the actual contract to know it is. Being aggressive to his own teammats? Nevermind the contract, you think any team would think that's acceptable? Refusing to play? Didn't you stop and think for a second that that might be a breach on a contract of a PLAYER? About point number 4 of your (nerdy) breakdown list, I'm tired of you and all your idiotic posts on this thread. Over and over again more facts come up and more people reaffirm what actually everyone already knew, that Major is a spoiled asshole that can't sit still in a team if they aren't feeding grapes to his mouth by an arabian slave while he chills at a pool, and you still come here and not only defend the guy, but also on completely irrational grounds. Regardless of SixJax's history as a company (and not as a sponsor, which by the way is an entirely different thing), Major's history on every other team pretty much reaffirms that it's Major who's at fault here. Again. Haha, the grounds arent irrational at all. Just because major did things wrong doesn't mean sixjax didn't, which is the way you are thinking, that if anything is irrational. But looking at your post you are pretty mad and people often don't think straight when they are mad. It's only breach of contract if its listed in the contract. You don't have to know whats in the contract to know whats in the contract? Doesn't make any sense at all. You have no clue at all what is detailed in the contract, neither do I, but I'm not trying to argue that the things he did are contract breaches or not, you are. ...So you don't think it's not a breach of a player's contract if the player refuses to play? I hope you're joking, because the alternative is that you're simply too dense to make a coherent argument. I have seen several gaming contracts from different games and organizations, not all of them prevent the player from talking to other teams. I'm not dense at all
I think it's very funny how sixjax explicity stated that Major breached his contract, and then you come up with your blanket argument based on your alleged 'seeing' of several gaming contracts from different games and organizations, that Sixjax lied about Major breaching his contract, because that's what you're trying to say right? That Major didn't break his contract?
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They broke the contract first by not sending him to Korea and pretending that it was because of some stupid shit going down at MLG and some jerseys so I don't know why you two are so hung up on this over the last couple of pages.
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On September 06 2011 00:46 Jinsho wrote:
They broke the contract first by not sending him to Korea and pretending that it was because of some stupid shit going down at MLG and some jerseys so I don't know why you two are so hung up on this over the last couple of pages.
Refrain from posting.
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On September 06 2011 00:43 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 00:43 justnoob.br wrote:+ Show Spoiler +the problem of e-Sports is that kids (yeah, like 22 - 25 yr that are mentally kids) are playing in the professional scene.
when players realize that sports needs ethics and professionalism, then we'll see the real professionals in action.
congrats to sixjax gaming for taking this decision. There's a lot more problems than just the lack of professionalism among some players. Sure we have Maj0r or IdrA who are notorious for their horrible mannerisms and poor sportsmanship, but so does any sport. It's not just E-Sports that has players who act like (pardon the language, but it's really the best word) utter douche-bags. Is SK.Swarm raging at his teammate [spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU really any worse than the way Terrell Owens acts towards his teammates. I'm an Eagles fan and I remember back when we were doing well Owens was acting like an absolute prick. But as far as grown men acting childishly about their contracts with teams, if you think that's something exclusively found in E-Sports than you must be crazy. EDIT: I didn't even realize that there was any debate over Maj0r being similar to IdrA. IdrA acts more childishly towards his opponents whereas Maj0r just has a serious problem with authority. Both are really big problems, but they are a bit different. You don't hear stories about IdrA cheating, but you also don't hear as many stories about Maj0r BMing the crap out of his opponent. They're both BM, but still very different.
Oh wow, that video is disturbing, I dunno much about SK.swarm but he deserves a sound kick in the balls for that one LOL. Anyways, off topic.
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On September 06 2011 00:48 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:45 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 00:37 zeru wrote:On September 06 2011 00:35 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:33 zeru wrote:On September 06 2011 00:26 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 23:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 05 2011 21:53 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 21:51 KristianJS wrote:
Some people seem to think that being in a team is a one way deal. The team provides for the player period and expects nothing in return. That's bullshit. The deal goes both ways. If Major doesn't respect his contractual obligations then sixjax have no reason whatsoever to respect his wishes. People need to stop talking about the contract like they have seen what it says. So many gaming organizations contracts are extremely vague and undetailed. Well, you don't know what's in the contract either, so why don't you just shut up? The second statement from SixJax explains specific contract conditions that Major broke, some of them even were widely known in TL before (like the swearing at wbc). What more do you need to shut up about how Major isn't at fault here when he clearly is? 1. I never claimed to know whats in the contract 2. I never said major isnt at fault 3. The only thing which is mentioned to be an actual contract breach so far is about not wearing team shirt. 4. Why so aggressive? I'm simply saying sixjax is a trashy organization which is financed by shady ways to aquire money but still can't afford to send a single player to MLG and doesn't live up to their side of their agreements either. So you don't think looking for other teams is a breach of his own team's contract? Of course it is, I don't even have to look at the actual contract to know it is. Being aggressive to his own teammats? Nevermind the contract, you think any team would think that's acceptable? Refusing to play? Didn't you stop and think for a second that that might be a breach on a contract of a PLAYER? About point number 4 of your (nerdy) breakdown list, I'm tired of you and all your idiotic posts on this thread. Over and over again more facts come up and more people reaffirm what actually everyone already knew, that Major is a spoiled asshole that can't sit still in a team if they aren't feeding grapes to his mouth by an arabian slave while he chills at a pool, and you still come here and not only defend the guy, but also on completely irrational grounds. Regardless of SixJax's history as a company (and not as a sponsor, which by the way is an entirely different thing), Major's history on every other team pretty much reaffirms that it's Major who's at fault here. Again. Haha, the grounds arent irrational at all. Just because major did things wrong doesn't mean sixjax didn't, which is the way you are thinking, that if anything is irrational. But looking at your post you are pretty mad and people often don't think straight when they are mad. It's only breach of contract if its listed in the contract. You don't have to know whats in the contract to know whats in the contract? Doesn't make any sense at all. You have no clue at all what is detailed in the contract, neither do I, but I'm not trying to argue that the things he did are contract breaches or not, you are. ...So you don't think it's not a breach of a player's contract if the player refuses to play? I hope you're joking, because the alternative is that you're simply too dense to make a coherent argument. I have seen several gaming contracts from different games and organizations, not all of them prevent the player from talking to other teams. I'm not dense at all I think it's very funny how sixjax explicity stated that Major breached his contract, and then you come up with your blanket argument based on your alleged 'seeing' of several gaming contracts from different games and organizations, that Sixjax lied about Major breaching his contract, because that's what you're trying to say right? That Major didn't break his contract? I responded to that already, i never denied that he breached his contract. However they just stated that he breached it by not representing his team by wearing the shirt. Not the other ways this guy is claiming it was.
I love how you're still not answering to my question. Do I really need to write it in font size 48?
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On September 06 2011 00:43 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 00:43 justnoob.br wrote:
the problem of e-Sports is that kids (yeah, like 22 - 25 yr that are mentally kids) are playing in the professional scene.
when players realize that sports needs ethics and professionalism, then we'll see the real professionals in action.
congrats to sixjax gaming for taking this decision. There's a lot more problems than just the lack of professionalism among some players. Sure we have Maj0r or IdrA who are notorious for their horrible mannerisms and poor sportsmanship, but so does any sport. It's not just E-Sports that has players who act like (pardon the language, but it's really the best word) utter douche-bags. Is SK.Swarm raging at his teammate + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU really any worse than the way Terrell Owens acts towards his teammates. I'm an Eagles fan and I remember back when we were doing well Owens was acting like an absolute prick. But as far as grown men acting childishly about their contracts with teams, if you think that's something exclusively found in E-Sports than you must be crazy. EDIT: I didn't even realize that there was any debate over Maj0r being similar to IdrA. IdrA acts more childishly towards his opponents whereas Maj0r just has a serious problem with authority. Both are really big problems, but they are a bit different. You don't hear stories about IdrA cheating, but you also don't hear as many stories about Maj0r BMing the crap out of his opponent. They're both BM, but still very different.
Oh god Swarm... how the years fly by...
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On September 06 2011 00:46 Jinsho wrote:
They broke the contract first by not sending him to Korea and pretending that it was because of some stupid shit going down at MLG and some jerseys so I don't know why you two are so hung up on this over the last couple of pages.
Do you know what you're even saying and how little sense it makes?
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On September 06 2011 00:41 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:16 lisward wrote:
I think it's very funny how people compare Major to Idra. Although Idra has been under performing of recent, he is nonetheless still one of the top level foreigners, with many achievements to back himself up. Idra is similar to Major in the sense that he can be unprofessional, mostly for getting frustrated after a loss and venting his anger on his opponent through personal attacks etc.
However, I feel that Idra is way more professional when it comes to his work ethics. He definitely trains hard for his games and he functions well in Team EG. He has also contributed much to the esports scene, bringing much interest into Starcraft 2 due to his outspoken and unique personality, being a host in the Starcraft 2 'show', Inside the Game, and one of the pioneer foreign Starcraft progamers, be it Brood War or Wings of Liberty.
What value has Major on the other hand, created for Starcraft? Although I am not familiar with the Brood War scene, I have heard much about Major being a menace in that scene, jumping from teams to teams and being an asshole. I did a quick check in Liquidpedia to take a look at his achievements in Starcraft 2; he's definitely not one of the 'best' foreigners so as to speak. His results are limited to mini online tourneys, although he did win the Latin Bnet Invitationals.
I'd like to point out that Major isn't BM, he is more than that, he is a blatant asshole. Idra may be considered by some to be 'asshole' by his childish 'rage' antics, but in comparison to what Major does, he is nothing. I'd like to talk about the SEA tourney hosted by Dox which Major fucked up for example. The SEA tourney was a mini online tourney with a prize pool of $500 fully paid for by Dox because he loved Starcraft 2 and he wanted to organize a tournament for the SEA community. Major having interest in taking part in that tournament, went to one of the admins of the tournament to clarify the rules on participation and was told that he could not participate as he was not a member of the SEA community. He then contacts Dox only on the day of the tournament, abusing him for an hour, calling him a 'faggot' and what not for not letting him play, and then goes on to smurf in the tournament, and like a moron, get caught. Showing no remorse for his actions, he proceeds to enter the stream chat for another hour and pick fights with people. A thread in TL was created by a disgruntled audience/participant of the tournament, and Major responded to the harsh reaction from the TL community by calling the SEA community shit and lying about the whole fiasco (it's funny how he blatantly lied about what went on in the chat between him and an admin, when a screenshot was posted showing the whole convo in the original post).
Now for you people who are thinking, what does this have ANYTHING to do with making his sponsors look bad, I'd like to put a quote, one of many such comments made in the thread regarding his behavior.
I think Idra and Major is very similar. If idra was on sixjax right now and they didnt sent him to MLG and deny his trip to korea, I bet you anything that Idra would start up a bigger shit storm than this.
The comparisons are so small! Okay, both can get mad and swear at other players. One difference is that Idra is usually taunted before he swears, whereas Major starts it and/or overreacts. The only similarity is that! The differences are huge though. Idra seems proud to sport the EG name and jersey. He shouts out to sponsors! Idra just gets frustrated and re-acts every once in a while, but makes sure he never gets banned or fined or anything. Major has no boundaries that we've seen. Major didn't wear his jersey, and worse he lied about it! Major bm's people because they wont let him play in a tournament that he doesn't meet pre-reqs for. Major attempts to make his former team look bad. And major breaks his contract. Okay, the similarities are so small.
And to your point, about korea and mlg, well Major brought it upon himself. They sent him to other MLG's, but he lost that right on his own.
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I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant.
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Both parties screwed things up. Major screwed up more than sixjax, but perhaps it could have been avoided. If you promise MLG ASAP that means the next "reasonable" qualifiers. Perhaps if he was there on the team's dime he would have had more loyalty and perhaps not acted like a kid. In the end though they did contract a child who has a child's mentality and they got what they paid for.
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On September 06 2011 00:46 Jinsho wrote:
They broke the contract first by not sending him to Korea and pretending that it was because of some stupid shit going down at MLG and some jerseys so I don't know why you two are so hung up on this over the last couple of pages.
Maybe I missed it, but is it confirmed that in the contract they said they'd send him to korea within X amount of months. If so, where?
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That's where the line is crossed between professional and non-professional gamers. A pro team is something you signed a contract, oblige by the contract's words, and follow the team's code of conduct. Acting out a cursing and swearing is something out of the "clan" system that soo many people are way more familiar with. If Major doesn't change his ways he is definitely going to be stuck teamless.
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On September 04 2011 19:33 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 19:31 Logros wrote:
Well this isn't a surprise...I wonder if there are any teams left willing to give him a shot. EG I would say is his best option. They see all publicity as good publicity, he should fit right in there tbh. Sucks for sixjax that they had to "lose" their best player though.
That's extremely arguable...
What happened with Skew? Should throw that into the OP as well.
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