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On September 06 2011 00:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:01 Johnzee wrote:
It still blows me away that people are willing to defend this guy. People are apparently so used to the crappy, entitled attitudes of professional athletes in traditional sports that they're willing to give Major a pass here.
ESPORTS is quickly becoming a real and recognized part of what we traditionally consider to be sports, like basketball or football. But unlike traditional sports, where the practices and acceptable behavior of players has already been defined for us by past generations, we have an opportunity to redefine the standards that players should be held to given the relative new-ness of ESPORTS. I think this is particularly important because ESPORTS is still in the process of gaining legitimacy with mainstream audiences.
Major is a part of what people used to think ESPORTS was - just a bunch of kids playing videogames. If we tolerate or encourage childlike behavior, this is what it will continue to be. If we want it to be something more, our perception of this behavior needs to mature. I cannot believe how illiterate some people can get. This is not why we are defending majOr. Not because we encourage this behavior. However, in comparison with sixjax and it problems, majOr's problems are obsolete . Sixjax have to piss all over a released player, leaving him no face and little future. Do your bosses contact every single company in the industry to never employ you because of some childish behavior? Sixjax is doing it now. And, they are cancelling his promise for going to Korea just because he didn't wear team jersey. In my eyes, sixjax seems even more childish than ever. Also, their business model is really shady. It can go bust any second. Also, failure to explain why they can't send anyone to MLG Raleigh is also questionable. Its not about maturity here. Its about looking at a wider picture.
What industry do you work in? From what I know, on planet Earth, if you are a professional and you carry yourself like a child in any given industry, no one will hire you. Companies are entitled to know of your performance in your previous jobs, if you're good, people will want you, if you're a jerk, no one will want you. Major should be accountable for his actions.
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On September 06 2011 00:51 Awatsu wrote:
I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant.
Idra has won something only because he's been to every major tournament. If major was at every tournament i am pretty sure he would win some also. As for general skill level their both top 5 in NA. Major is just unlucky to join the scene late(with bad reputation) and couldn't find a good team.
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On September 06 2011 00:58 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:51 Awatsu wrote:
I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant. Idra has won something only because he's been to every major tournament. If major was at every tournament i am pretty sure he would win some also. As for general skill level their both top 5 in NA. Major is just unlucky to join the scene late(with bad reputation) and couldn't find a good team.
Your right, its not as if hes deserved this reputation at all....
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On September 06 2011 00:49 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:43 The Final Boss wrote:On September 05 2011 00:43 justnoob.br wrote:+ Show Spoiler +the problem of e-Sports is that kids (yeah, like 22 - 25 yr that are mentally kids) are playing in the professional scene.
when players realize that sports needs ethics and professionalism, then we'll see the real professionals in action.
congrats to sixjax gaming for taking this decision. There's a lot more problems than just the lack of professionalism among some players. Sure we have Maj0r or IdrA who are notorious for their horrible mannerisms and poor sportsmanship, but so does any sport. It's not just E-Sports that has players who act like (pardon the language, but it's really the best word) utter douche-bags. Is SK.Swarm raging at his teammate [spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU really any worse than the way Terrell Owens acts towards his teammates. I'm an Eagles fan and I remember back when we were doing well Owens was acting like an absolute prick. But as far as grown men acting childishly about their contracts with teams, if you think that's something exclusively found in E-Sports than you must be crazy. EDIT: I didn't even realize that there was any debate over Maj0r being similar to IdrA. IdrA acts more childishly towards his opponents whereas Maj0r just has a serious problem with authority. Both are really big problems, but they are a bit different. You don't hear stories about IdrA cheating, but you also don't hear as many stories about Maj0r BMing the crap out of his opponent. They're both BM, but still very different. Oh wow, that video is disturbing, I dunno much about SK.swarm but he deserves a sound kick in the balls for that one LOL. Anyways, off topic.
What the hell was that?!?! I've never seen that video, and wow is all I have to say. If he went off on me like that and told me to shut up in public and repeatedly... I would have just decked him.
Whoever is making the comparison between professional athletes and gamers needs to stop... The contracts are not even close to being the same, and the way gamers act is not acceptable in any real sport. TO was a douche, but he could not talk to management the way Juan did to Sixjax. There are consequences for that sort of thing, like being fined. Not in esports though...
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On September 06 2011 00:58 Like a Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:51 Awatsu wrote:
I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant. Idra has won something only because he's been to every major tournament. If major was at every tournament i am pretty sure he would win some also. As for general skill level their both top 5 in NA. Major is just unlucky to join the scene late(with bad reputation) and couldn't find a good team.
You sound like a preacher talking about how jizzing on the floor kills babies, because every time you do that you might have killed a baby.
If you want to make a statement you need to back it up with evidence, not what might be or what might have been, statements like Idra winning tournaments only because he's been to every major tourney ignores the fact that Idra is a very good player, and can be refuted by the presence of other players who attend 'every major' tournament and do not win anything.
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I have a hard time understanding how people can defend him after reading that update. And i'm not even a sixjax fan, they could disband I couldn't care. But Major has issues.
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On September 06 2011 01:04 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:58 Like a Boss wrote:On September 06 2011 00:51 Awatsu wrote:
I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant. Idra has won something only because he's been to every major tournament. If major was at every tournament i am pretty sure he would win some also. As for general skill level their both top 5 in NA. Major is just unlucky to join the scene late(with bad reputation) and couldn't find a good team. You sound like a preacher talking about how jizzing on the floor kills babies, because every time you do that you might have killed a baby. If you want to make a statement you need to back it up with evidence, not what might be or what might have been, statements like Idra winning tournaments only because he's been to every major tourney ignores the fact that Idra is a very good player, and can be refuted by the presence of other players who attend 'every major' tournament and do not win anything.
Lol... Your comparison makes little to no sense at all. Idra has been at ever major tournament since Beta, Major has not. Both Major and Idra are considered "Top5" NA players, had Major started playing the game at release or during Beta, he would have many more tournament wins under his belt. You can't deny his skill, even though I don't like the guy.
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On September 06 2011 01:08 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 01:04 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 00:58 Like a Boss wrote:On September 06 2011 00:51 Awatsu wrote:
I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant. Idra has won something only because he's been to every major tournament. If major was at every tournament i am pretty sure he would win some also. As for general skill level their both top 5 in NA. Major is just unlucky to join the scene late(with bad reputation) and couldn't find a good team. You sound like a preacher talking about how jizzing on the floor kills babies, because every time you do that you might have killed a baby. If you want to make a statement you need to back it up with evidence, not what might be or what might have been, statements like Idra winning tournaments only because he's been to every major tourney ignores the fact that Idra is a very good player, and can be refuted by the presence of other players who attend 'every major' tournament and do not win anything. Lol... Your comparison makes little to no sense at all. Idra has been at ever major tournament since Beta, Major has not. Both Major and Idra are considered "Top5" NA players, had Major started playing the game at release or during Beta, he would have many more tournament wins under his belt. You can't deny his skill, even though I don't like the guy.
honestly you can't predict anything though. what would stop major from getting 1st at every tournament that he didn't go too, but what is stoping him from getting last or a bad place also? There are upsets all the time, and it is just the nature of sc2.
He could have many more wins if he did go to more major tournaments, but he could have many bad places if he did go to more major tournaments.
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On September 06 2011 01:08 NeonFox wrote:
I have a hard time understanding how people can defend him after reading that update. And i'm not even a sixjax fan, they could disband I couldn't care. But Major has issues.
It's possible because sixjax has shown 0 integrity in the past with dealing with other issues. If you're not convinced go search up Neverexpo and read his blog on complexity. Why does everyone think that Sixjax must be telling the truth? They say that Major didn't wear a uniform, yet he is absent in all of sixjax's photos for anaheim. Did anyone actually see Major at anaheim and can confirm this?
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On September 06 2011 00:16 lisward wrote:I think it's very funny how people compare Major to Idra. Although Idra has been under performing of recent, he is nonetheless still one of the top level foreigners, with many achievements to back himself up. Idra is similar to Major in the sense that he can be unprofessional, mostly for getting frustrated after a loss and venting his anger on his opponent through personal attacks etc. However, I feel that Idra is way more professional when it comes to his work ethics. He definitely trains hard for his games and he functions well in Team EG. He has also contributed much to the esports scene, bringing much interest into Starcraft 2 due to his outspoken and unique personality, being a host in the Starcraft 2 'show', Inside the Game, and one of the pioneer foreign Starcraft progamers, be it Brood War or Wings of Liberty. What value has Major on the other hand, created for Starcraft? Although I am not familiar with the Brood War scene, I have heard much about Major being a menace in that scene, jumping from teams to teams and being an asshole. I did a quick check in Liquidpedia to take a look at his achievements in Starcraft 2; he's definitely not one of the 'best' foreigners so as to speak. His results are limited to mini online tourneys, although he did win the Latin Bnet Invitationals. I'd like to point out that Major isn't BM, he is more than that, he is a blatant asshole. Idra may be considered by some to be 'asshole' by his childish 'rage' antics, but in comparison to what Major does, he is nothing. I'd like to talk about the SEA tourney hosted by Dox which Major fucked up for example. The SEA tourney was a mini online tourney with a prize pool of $500 fully paid for by Dox because he loved Starcraft 2 and he wanted to organize a tournament for the SEA community. Major having interest in taking part in that tournament, went to one of the admins of the tournament to clarify the rules on participation and was told that he could not participate as he was not a member of the SEA community. He then contacts Dox only on the day of the tournament, abusing him for an hour, calling him a 'faggot' and what not for not letting him play, and then goes on to smurf in the tournament, and like a moron, get caught. Showing no remorse for his actions, he proceeds to enter the stream chat for another hour and pick fights with people. A thread in TL was created by a disgruntled audience/participant of the tournament, and Major responded to the harsh reaction from the TL community by calling the SEA community shit and lying about the whole fiasco (it's funny how he blatantly lied about what went on in the chat between him and an admin, when a screenshot was posted showing the whole convo in the original post). Now for you people who are thinking, what does this have ANYTHING to do with making his sponsors look bad, I'd like to put a quote, one of many such comments made in the thread regarding his behavior. Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 01:57 Gurblechev wrote:
Isn't he the perfect representative for sixjax, since they are a scam website that cheats people out of their money?
I have to quote this, I see a lot of truth in this.
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I hope no teams pick up this brat. He seems like a high maintenance drama queen. I don`t understand how some people are skeptical of Sixjax`s response. It`s not a he said, she said. The whole sixjax team can probably confirm this and you don`t see other players on that team having issues with sixjax.
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"After several days Sixjax's upper management contacted Juan personally and let him know that both he and his mother had agreed upon a fifteen month contract when he signed, ..." They gotcha Major
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On September 06 2011 01:04 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:49 marttorn wrote:On September 06 2011 00:43 The Final Boss wrote:On September 05 2011 00:43 justnoob.br wrote:+ Show Spoiler +the problem of e-Sports is that kids (yeah, like 22 - 25 yr that are mentally kids) are playing in the professional scene.
when players realize that sports needs ethics and professionalism, then we'll see the real professionals in action.
congrats to sixjax gaming for taking this decision. There's a lot more problems than just the lack of professionalism among some players. Sure we have Maj0r or IdrA who are notorious for their horrible mannerisms and poor sportsmanship, but so does any sport. It's not just E-Sports that has players who act like (pardon the language, but it's really the best word) utter douche-bags. Is SK.Swarm raging at his teammate [spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU really any worse than the way Terrell Owens acts towards his teammates. I'm an Eagles fan and I remember back when we were doing well Owens was acting like an absolute prick. But as far as grown men acting childishly about their contracts with teams, if you think that's something exclusively found in E-Sports than you must be crazy. EDIT: I didn't even realize that there was any debate over Maj0r being similar to IdrA. IdrA acts more childishly towards his opponents whereas Maj0r just has a serious problem with authority. Both are really big problems, but they are a bit different. You don't hear stories about IdrA cheating, but you also don't hear as many stories about Maj0r BMing the crap out of his opponent. They're both BM, but still very different. Oh wow, that video is disturbing, I dunno much about SK.swarm but he deserves a sound kick in the balls for that one LOL. Anyways, off topic. What the hell was that?!?! I've never seen that video, and wow is all I have to say. If he went off on me like that and told me to shut up in public and repeatedly... I would have just decked him. Whoever is making the comparison between professional athletes and gamers needs to stop... The contracts are not even close to being the same, and the way gamers act is not acceptable in any real sport. TO was a douche, but he could not talk to management the way Juan did to Sixjax. There are consequences for that sort of thing, like being fined. Not in esports though...
This video has alot of background story behind it, and its simply not someone raging at another for nothing in fact, the guy who got shouted at is worse than major and idra and w/e put together.
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after statement 2 i feel sorry to say but sixjax just seem whining trying to make major look badass ... i dont see reason to "kickass" major after leave ... sure major say some things to keep his own shine to find a new team and to make such statements sixjax for me is now personaly worst team in sc2 scene at the moment
sure major can be whatever you guys say he can be even worse but i dont see the reason to kick behind after all is said ... both had a statement and sixjax throw something after him ...
now major say somethin then six again ,,, its childish 
if sixjax would be a fine managment/team they should just say "jaeh fuck off" and just not give anymore statement after their first ...
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On September 06 2011 01:18 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 01:04 GreEny K wrote:On September 06 2011 00:49 marttorn wrote:On September 06 2011 00:43 The Final Boss wrote:On September 05 2011 00:43 justnoob.br wrote:+ Show Spoiler +the problem of e-Sports is that kids (yeah, like 22 - 25 yr that are mentally kids) are playing in the professional scene.
when players realize that sports needs ethics and professionalism, then we'll see the real professionals in action.
congrats to sixjax gaming for taking this decision. There's a lot more problems than just the lack of professionalism among some players. Sure we have Maj0r or IdrA who are notorious for their horrible mannerisms and poor sportsmanship, but so does any sport. It's not just E-Sports that has players who act like (pardon the language, but it's really the best word) utter douche-bags. Is SK.Swarm raging at his teammate [spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rAtlp2dDPU really any worse than the way Terrell Owens acts towards his teammates. I'm an Eagles fan and I remember back when we were doing well Owens was acting like an absolute prick. But as far as grown men acting childishly about their contracts with teams, if you think that's something exclusively found in E-Sports than you must be crazy. EDIT: I didn't even realize that there was any debate over Maj0r being similar to IdrA. IdrA acts more childishly towards his opponents whereas Maj0r just has a serious problem with authority. Both are really big problems, but they are a bit different. You don't hear stories about IdrA cheating, but you also don't hear as many stories about Maj0r BMing the crap out of his opponent. They're both BM, but still very different. Oh wow, that video is disturbing, I dunno much about SK.swarm but he deserves a sound kick in the balls for that one LOL. Anyways, off topic. What the hell was that?!?! I've never seen that video, and wow is all I have to say. If he went off on me like that and told me to shut up in public and repeatedly... I would have just decked him. Whoever is making the comparison between professional athletes and gamers needs to stop... The contracts are not even close to being the same, and the way gamers act is not acceptable in any real sport. TO was a douche, but he could not talk to management the way Juan did to Sixjax. There are consequences for that sort of thing, like being fined. Not in esports though... This video has alot of background story behind it, and its simply not someone raging at another for nothing in fact, the guy who got shouted at is worse than major and idra and w/e put together.
Yea, Selenia was a major douche.
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On September 06 2011 01:19 CoR wrote:after statement 2 i feel sorry to say but sixjax just seem whining trying to make major look badass ... i dont see reason to "kickass" major after leave ... sure major say some things to keep his own shine to find a new team and to make such statements sixjax for me is now personaly worst team in sc2 scene at the moment sure major can be whatever you guys say he can be even worse but i dont see the reason to kick behind after all is said ... both had a statement and sixjax throw something after him ... now major say somethin then six again ,,, its childish if sixjax would be a fine managment/team they should just say "jaeh fuck off" and just not give anymore statement after their first ...
They did, they left it as is and not say anything.
...Until Skew came in with the whole "no one would be on SJG if not for fear of being sued". That got everyone VERY interested, and prompted the second reply.
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I hope that Maj0r will be gone from the scene. And no teams ever will sign him. This is just dumb
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On September 06 2011 01:33 Veclada wrote:
I hope that Maj0r will be gone from the scene. And no teams ever will sign him. This is just dumb
He will likely get signed by someone else. I mean just look at his TvT record. O_O I do have to agree though, I'd rather he just didn't get signed because I don't find him entertaining to watch like I do for IdrA.
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On September 06 2011 01:19 CoR wrote:after statement 2 i feel sorry to say but sixjax just seem whining trying to make major look badass ... i dont see reason to "kickass" major after leave ... sure major say some things to keep his own shine to find a new team and to make such statements sixjax for me is now personaly worst team in sc2 scene at the moment sure major can be whatever you guys say he can be even worse but i dont see the reason to kick behind after all is said ... both had a statement and sixjax throw something after him ... now major say somethin then six again ,,, its childish if sixjax would be a fine managment/team they should just say "jaeh fuck off" and just not give anymore statement after their first ...
Look at SixJax's original statement...
If Major would have kept his childish whiny mouth shut I'm sure he would have plenty of team deals coming up. Once he started slandering the team like a unprofessional moron they obviously had to defend themselves, and as far as I'm concerned the only result is now he actually looks like the child he is. All they did was clean up rumors he started
Major is hurting esports with this bullshit. Period.
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On September 05 2011 23:04 Liudo wrote:
So he lost some jerseys and swore at some other players...
Bogus reasons to get rid of a player if ever I heard them...
Losing jerseys and lying about why he didn't have them, swearing at players at a live LAN event, being a total child when not getting a pay raise by refusing to play in clan wars, talking bad to your own management and openly trying to get offers from other teams while still under contract.
Stop trying to dumb down what he did.
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