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On September 06 2011 00:21 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:17 TolEranceNA wrote:On September 06 2011 00:14 Choboo wrote:On September 06 2011 00:12 TolEranceNA wrote:On September 06 2011 00:06 Choboo wrote:On September 06 2011 00:03 TolEranceNA wrote:On September 06 2011 00:01 Choboo wrote:On September 06 2011 00:00 TolEranceNA wrote:On September 05 2011 23:58 Choboo wrote:On September 05 2011 23:55 TolEranceNA wrote:
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Please be more informed before posting such post that irritate other informed TL members. Idra is certainly well mannered outside of the game, in fact, all his BMs are to the opponent's race and was never directed to a certain individual. Yeah, saying 'fuck you' to a player (inside the game (Mana IPL), outside the game (Huk MLG)) doesn't have anything to do with the player... He's just as bm except people laugh and encourage him I pity your sillyness if you think saying fuck you is more severe than cheating in a tournament and cussing at the management when you were caught, and more severe than insult your management when you are asked to do what you are suppose to do. I pity you sir. You're a cool guy ^^. My response was mainly to the WBC incident at MLG tho Well then your view is incredibly limited, swearing is definitely not what got major such a bad reputation, i am sure you know about his actions. You could have at least look at what I was quoting before insulting me >.> On September 05 2011 23:43 thragar wrote:
I really hope no team signs him ever again. That is so unprofessional I don't even know what to say. MLG should ban or suspend him for that kind of conduct, I'm not sure if there's a three strikes rule and he's on strike one or anything like that. I'm pretty sure that flipping someone off and saying fuck you to someone on the main stage should be punished a lot more than having a dispute at a smaller side stage. Even a die-hard Idra fan would agree that Idra has been more unprofessional at MLG events than Major. What my point was, that he should be banned NOT only from MLG, but from every major tournaments for his famous cheating  Major hasn't cheated at MLG events. Should Idra also be banned from MLG? On September 06 2011 00:10 ronpaul012 wrote:On September 05 2011 23:46 Choboo wrote:On September 05 2011 23:43 thragar wrote:
I really hope no team signs him ever again. That is so unprofessional I don't even know what to say. MLG should ban or suspend him for that kind of conduct, I'm not sure if there's a three strikes rule and he's on strike one or anything like that. Are you serious? Idra has done far worse things than that and I doubt anyone wants to ban him from any tournament, in fact people encourage him. no. Idra has raged at players, and I'm assuming he's been internally punished for it. However we have never heard of idra swearing at teammates, or refusing to sport his team jersey. If all major had done was swear at other players I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be this big a deal. hey, clever boy. This is what I quoted: On September 05 2011 23:43 thragar wrote:
I really hope no team signs him ever again. That is so unprofessional I don't even know what to say. MLG should ban or suspend him for that kind of conduct, I'm not sure if there's a three strikes rule and he's on strike one or anything like that. Please read before answering. I think you'd agree that in terms of MLG events Idra has done worse things than Major (i.e. flipping off Huk and MC, swearing at the mainstage etc.) Lol, idra never cheated, i pity you sir, it is not about sportmanship, it is about moral. You cross the line once, theres no more turning back. Since there is no Kespa in SC2 I don't think players should get punished in other tournaments than the one they did wrong in. I.e. if Major plays in a tournament he's technically not allowed in I don't think they should ban him from tournaments he is allowed to play like MLG.
Of course not! There is NO kespa in sc2, but i am sure you know that everything commented here is my opinion and is likely never going to happen , until the day i create a SC2 Kespa Global :p
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On September 06 2011 00:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:01 Johnzee wrote:
It still blows me away that people are willing to defend this guy. People are apparently so used to the crappy, entitled attitudes of professional athletes in traditional sports that they're willing to give Major a pass here.
ESPORTS is quickly becoming a real and recognized part of what we traditionally consider to be sports, like basketball or football. But unlike traditional sports, where the practices and acceptable behavior of players has already been defined for us by past generations, we have an opportunity to redefine the standards that players should be held to given the relative new-ness of ESPORTS. I think this is particularly important because ESPORTS is still in the process of gaining legitimacy with mainstream audiences.
Major is a part of what people used to think ESPORTS was - just a bunch of kids playing videogames. If we tolerate or encourage childlike behavior, this is what it will continue to be. If we want it to be something more, our perception of this behavior needs to mature. I cannot believe how illiterate some people can get. This is not why we are defending majOr. Not because we encourage this behavior. However, in comparison with sixjax and it problems, majOr's problems are obsolete . Sixjax have to piss all over a released player, leaving him no face and little future. Do your bosses contact every single company in the industry to never employ you because of some childish behavior? Sixjax is doing it now. And, they are cancelling his promise for going to Korea just because he didn't wear team jersey. In my eyes, sixjax seems even more childish than ever. Also, their business model is really shady. It can go bust any second. Also, failure to explain why they can't send anyone to MLG Raleigh is also questionable. Its not about maturity here. Its about looking at a wider picture.
Have you ever worked for a real business? I work retail, and if I forget one piece of my uniform, my belt for example, I get in trouble. If I told a co-worker to fuck off I'd probably be fired, if not in serious trouble. And if I told a customer that, well it wouldn't even be a question. And to your point of them announcing it to the world there's 2 points. First off is that major is attempting to tell mis-truths about the situation. And because of that they're explaining the real reason. Which leads me to my 2nd point of they should! If I got fired from a job, when I'm looking for a new one and they called my old job you bet they'd say why'd I had been fired.
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On September 06 2011 00:19 Like a Boss wrote:
Sixjax is dumb. Have they never thought that making such a player release statement is going to start up a shit storm, shit storm = bad image = no sponsors. Bad image is bad.
My question is why didnt sixjax sent anyone to MLG? Seems like sixjax is having internal problems with or without major being around.
Major is probably just a worm eatting away an already rotten apple.
All in all, i think both sides suffer from this, Sixjax losing pretty much everything; a problematic skilled player, professionalism, team image and fans (eventually sponsors and much more).
Major tarnishes his own image even more.
When a team releases a player and gives reasons for said release publicly its fine. When the released player comes out and starts shitting on his old team saying they broke contract etc etc. and when the community starts to say things about the team which are untrue - the team has to respond with full disclosure to try and set the record straight.
I think sixjax did the only thing they really could. It was like how EG had to come out and have a full release about the Puma situation. The only difference here is that sixjax did it faster and EG did it slower. Either way, the community is gonna take a dump on the teams for "wronging" a player. These guys aren't KESPA and I think we would all do well to remember this fact. They are within their rights to do what they are doing and they aren't doing it based on a personal vendetta.
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I wish the best for Major, though if theres much truth to what the recent Sixjax statement claims then he's kind of a scumbag. Though I really don't think he is, and there was probably a lot of... skew to the Sixjax statement as to his reasons for leaving the team. It's one side of the story.
Although I have to say i'm getting a bad... vibe from the sixjax team over all. It seems this is becoming kind of a... major deal, if you will. It doesn't seem they make their ddeals too clear sometimes.
A lot of people in this thread just need to chill out and have some hot cocoa though, don't go getting all mad.
Fuck, how do I fit artosis into this?
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On September 06 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 23:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 05 2011 21:53 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 21:51 KristianJS wrote:
Some people seem to think that being in a team is a one way deal. The team provides for the player period and expects nothing in return. That's bullshit. The deal goes both ways. If Major doesn't respect his contractual obligations then sixjax have no reason whatsoever to respect his wishes. People need to stop talking about the contract like they have seen what it says. So many gaming organizations contracts are extremely vague and undetailed. Well, you don't know what's in the contract either, so why don't you just shut up? The second statement from SixJax explains specific contract conditions that Major broke, some of them even were widely known in TL before (like the swearing at wbc). What more do you need to shut up about how Major isn't at fault here when he clearly is? 1. I never claimed to know whats in the contract 2. I never said major isnt at fault 3. The only thing which is mentioned to be an actual contract breach so far is about not wearing team shirt. 4. Why so aggressive? I'm simply saying sixjax is a trashy organization which is financed by shady ways to aquire money but still can't afford to send a single player to MLG and doesn't live up to their side of their agreements either.
So you don't think looking for other teams is a breach of his own team's contract? Of course it is, I don't even have to look at the actual contract to know it is. Being aggressive to his own teammats? Nevermind the contract, you think any team would think that's acceptable? Refusing to play? Didn't you stop and think for a second that that might be a breach on a contract of a PLAYER?
About point number 4 of your (nerdy) breakdown list, I'm tired of you and all your idiotic posts on this thread. Over and over again more facts come up and more people reaffirm what actually everyone already knew, that Major is a spoiled asshole that can't sit still in a team if they aren't feeding grapes to his mouth by an arabian slave while he chills at a pool, and you still come here and not only defend the guy, but also on completely irrational grounds.
Regardless of SixJax's history as a company (and not as a sponsor, which by the way is an entirely different thing), Major's history on every other team pretty much reaffirms that it's Major who's at fault here. Again.
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He'd fit well in Ratz.
RatzMajor.
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Wow.
I am truly disappointed in Major's actions. I had always heard he was BM, but this is out of bounds, ridiculously unrespectful, and simply inappropriate. I can't even see how people can compare this to Idra.
I hope the guy struggles to find a new team, because from what I see right now, both of his own and Sixjax's statement, he acted like a bastard.
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If this is true, and I see no reason to believe otherwise, Major won't be able to get into a new team. Serves him right.
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funny thing is that people still think he has changed and try to flip and turn on everything to make it look like major didnt do anything wrong. well SUCK IT he is still a fag and clan hopper
User was warned for this post
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On September 06 2011 00:26 Seirios wrote:
He'd fit well in Ratz.
RatzMajor.
I think this was posted like 100 times in this thread and it wasn't funny the first time
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What I want to know, is why Skew is so hurt regarding SJG. I ACTUALLY followed all 62 pages of this thread before. SO the facts I got so far...
+Major is out of SJG. Claims SJG didn't send him to Korea. He was in SJG for ~5months. Asked for a raise.
+SJG claims Major breached his contract.
+Skew's "sjg wouldn't have team if players didn't want to get sued blah blah"
--->(This is Skew's OPINION, only dde weighed in later, and by all accounts, he was looking after maj0r, and did not express any discontent with SJG).
SO in the end, all of this was cause by SKEW with his (offhand?) comment. If, it was just Maj0r vs SJG, the thread would've probably died around page 40. SO, I want to know;
+What did SJG do to Skew to leave on such bad terms?
+Why is it taking this long for Skew to speak up regarding it?
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This is turning into the same band wagoning witch-hunt as the TSL head coach thing. I don't think we should judge either side based on their own statements. Both have done pretty shady stuff in the past so it's hard to see who is at fault here. After the NRG stuff, it wouldn't surprise me if there was information sixjax is not telling everyone. After the SEA tourny, it wouldn't surprise me if Major wasn't telling the complete truth.
I feel like what skew had to say is much much more important.
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On September 06 2011 00:33 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:26 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 06 2011 00:00 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 23:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 05 2011 21:53 zeru wrote:On September 05 2011 21:51 KristianJS wrote:
Some people seem to think that being in a team is a one way deal. The team provides for the player period and expects nothing in return. That's bullshit. The deal goes both ways. If Major doesn't respect his contractual obligations then sixjax have no reason whatsoever to respect his wishes. People need to stop talking about the contract like they have seen what it says. So many gaming organizations contracts are extremely vague and undetailed. Well, you don't know what's in the contract either, so why don't you just shut up? The second statement from SixJax explains specific contract conditions that Major broke, some of them even were widely known in TL before (like the swearing at wbc). What more do you need to shut up about how Major isn't at fault here when he clearly is? 1. I never claimed to know whats in the contract 2. I never said major isnt at fault 3. The only thing which is mentioned to be an actual contract breach so far is about not wearing team shirt. 4. Why so aggressive? I'm simply saying sixjax is a trashy organization which is financed by shady ways to aquire money but still can't afford to send a single player to MLG and doesn't live up to their side of their agreements either. So you don't think looking for other teams is a breach of his own team's contract? Of course it is, I don't even have to look at the actual contract to know it is. Being aggressive to his own teammats? Nevermind the contract, you think any team would think that's acceptable? Refusing to play? Didn't you stop and think for a second that that might be a breach on a contract of a PLAYER? About point number 4 of your (nerdy) breakdown list, I'm tired of you and all your idiotic posts on this thread. Over and over again more facts come up and more people reaffirm what actually everyone already knew, that Major is a spoiled asshole that can't sit still in a team if they aren't feeding grapes to his mouth by an arabian slave while he chills at a pool, and you still come here and not only defend the guy, but also on completely irrational grounds. Regardless of SixJax's history as a company (and not as a sponsor, which by the way is an entirely different thing), Major's history on every other team pretty much reaffirms that it's Major who's at fault here. Again. Haha, the grounds arent irrational at all. Just because major did things wrong doesn't mean sixjax didn't, which is the way you are thinking, that if anything is irrational. But looking at your post you are pretty mad and people often don't think straight when they are mad.  It's only breach of contract if its listed in the contract. You don't have to know whats in the contract to know whats in the contract? Doesn't make any sense at all. You have no clue at all what is detailed in the contract, neither do I, but I'm not trying to argue that the things he did are contract breaches or not, you are.
...So you don't think it's not a breach of a player's contract if the player refuses to play?
I hope you're joking, because the alternative is that you're simply too dense to make a coherent argument.
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I'm not surprised on either side of this story.
After the shitty way sixjax dealt with nrg, it's always been clear that there's no integrity or personality to the organization. It's not surprising that they deal selfishly and arbitrarily with their players.
After the shitty way major dealt with leaving Root, it's always been clear that he's an immature player who expects to be spoiled. Idra worked hard for years in the Korean broodwar b-team system and sacrificed a lotto be where he is today; I am a stron anti-fan, but I recognize that he's earned some slack. Major hasn't.
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On September 06 2011 00:10 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:06 HitMonkie wrote:
All I get from reading this thread is that, Major is out, people just want to argue for no good reason and for some reason somneone called Skew is butthurt and just adding fuel for people to keep arguing.
But in all honesty, does anyone really care? Just let this die already. I'm curious what reasons skew has to be butthurt?
Why you asking me?
Should ask Skew why he is so butthurt.
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After re-reading the full OP after the update I can't feel the slightest bit of pity for either party. These guys truly deserve each other.
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On September 06 2011 00:37 Cyrak wrote:
After re-reading the full OP after the update I can't feel the slightest bit of pity for either party. These guys truly deserve each other.
You have to keep in mind what happened b/n each release. SJG didn't post anything after Maj0r responded. They only posted it after skew came in with his comments and everyone started asking for full disclosure (witchhunt/bandwagon is probably more correct).
I doubt they would've posted anything if Skew didn't come in. The thread would've justs ended like any other 'Maj0r has parted ways with 'X' "
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I don't see anything wrong with what Sixjax has done. Maj0r seems to be in the wrong completely here. I don't even see why he needed to lie about his Jersey's either since he should be championing his team's sponsors. It goes to show that your skill will only take you so far in teams. It's how you act professionally that will keep you there. I've been on Maj0r's stream a few times and he acts like such a douche to everyone and not even making it into a joke/persona.
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