But in all honesty, does anyone really care? Just let this die already.
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HitMonkie
Australia518 Posts
But in all honesty, does anyone really care? Just let this die already. | ||
Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
I'm not defending his other actions but it's perfectly normal to look for the best option out there. Why would SJ even bring this up as a negative? It's a business. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:07 Kurr wrote: I don't think it's that terrible of Major to look for another team when a raise is refused. This happens every day in real life. I've switched jobs after being refused a raise before for a job that would give me the money I wanted. My brother has continually switched jobs like this and now has a place that gives him the raises he deserves so he stays. If he hadn't done this, he would easily be making 10k less per year. I'm not defending his other actions but it's perfectly normal to look for the best option out there. Why would SJ even bring this up as a negative? It's a business. He signed a contract for a given length of time. I don't know about your brother's situation, but I assume he wasn't signing a contract saying he'd be there until a certain point. And of course, contracts can be negotiated, but simply leaving is not how it works. | ||
zeru
8156 Posts
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On September 05 2011 23:46 Choboo wrote: Are you serious? Idra has done far worse things than that and I doubt anyone wants to ban him from any tournament, in fact people encourage him. no. Idra has raged at players, and I'm assuming he's been internally punished for it. However we have never heard of idra swearing at teammates, or refusing to sport his team jersey. If all major had done was swear at other players I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be this big a deal. | ||
Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
Though when I think about it... more like... Team Maj0r. Some people just aren't team players. | ||
TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:06 Choboo wrote: You could have at least look at what I was quoting before insulting me >.> I'm pretty sure that flipping someone off and saying fuck you to someone on the main stage should be punished a lot more than having a dispute at a smaller side stage. Even a die-hard Idra fan would agree that Idra has been more unprofessional at MLG events than Major. What my point was, that he should be banned NOT only from MLG, but from every major tournaments for his famous cheating ![]() Now to an end of this Idra to Major argument. Idra - BM in games, says fuck you to people in real life. Missed several tournies. Major - Lied about lost team tshirt, missed several tournies, says fuck you to people in real life, insults his own management, break his contracts, never announces his sponsors, cheats in a tournament and cusses when he is caught. | ||
HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:01 Johnzee wrote: It still blows me away that people are willing to defend this guy. People are apparently so used to the crappy, entitled attitudes of professional athletes in traditional sports that they're willing to give Major a pass here. ESPORTS is quickly becoming a real and recognized part of what we traditionally consider to be sports, like basketball or football. But unlike traditional sports, where the practices and acceptable behavior of players has already been defined for us by past generations, we have an opportunity to redefine the standards that players should be held to given the relative new-ness of ESPORTS. I think this is particularly important because ESPORTS is still in the process of gaining legitimacy with mainstream audiences. Major is a part of what people used to think ESPORTS was - just a bunch of kids playing videogames. If we tolerate or encourage childlike behavior, this is what it will continue to be. If we want it to be something more, our perception of this behavior needs to mature. I cannot believe how illiterate some people can get. This is not why we are defending majOr. Not because we encourage this behavior. However, in comparison with sixjax and it problems, majOr's problems are obsolete . Sixjax have to piss all over a released player, leaving him no face and little future. Do your bosses contact every single company in the industry to never employ you because of some childish behavior? Sixjax is doing it now. And, they are cancelling his promise for going to Korea just because he didn't wear team jersey. In my eyes, sixjax seems even more childish than ever. Also, their business model is really shady. It can go bust any second. Also, failure to explain why they can't send anyone to MLG Raleigh is also questionable. Its not about maturity here. Its about looking at a wider picture. | ||
Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:12 TolEranceNA wrote: What my point was, that he should be banned NOT only from MLG, but from every major tournaments for his famous cheating ![]() Major hasn't cheated at MLG events. Should Idra also be banned from MLG? On September 06 2011 00:10 ronpaul012 wrote: no. Idra has raged at players, and I'm assuming he's been internally punished for it. However we have never heard of idra swearing at teammates, or refusing to sport his team jersey. If all major had done was swear at other players I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be this big a deal. hey, clever boy. This is what I quoted: On September 05 2011 23:43 thragar wrote: I really hope no team signs him ever again. That is so unprofessional I don't even know what to say. MLG should ban or suspend him for that kind of conduct, I'm not sure if there's a three strikes rule and he's on strike one or anything like that. Please read before answering. I think you'd agree that in terms of MLG events Idra has done worse things than Major (i.e. flipping off Huk and MC, swearing at the mainstage etc.) | ||
Vul
United States685 Posts
I don't think it's that terrible of Major to look for another team when a raise is refused. This happens every day in real life. In this kind of arena it can be different. In a professional sport you can get fined a lot of money for doing that, so it might not be the same rules. | ||
lisward
Singapore959 Posts
However, I feel that Idra is way more professional when it comes to his work ethics. He definitely trains hard for his games and he functions well in Team EG. He has also contributed much to the esports scene, bringing much interest into Starcraft 2 due to his outspoken and unique personality, being a host in the Starcraft 2 'show', Inside the Game, and one of the pioneer foreign Starcraft progamers, be it Brood War or Wings of Liberty. What value has Major on the other hand, created for Starcraft? Although I am not familiar with the Brood War scene, I have heard much about Major being a menace in that scene, jumping from teams to teams and being an asshole. I did a quick check in Liquidpedia to take a look at his achievements in Starcraft 2; he's definitely not one of the 'best' foreigners so as to speak. His results are limited to mini online tourneys, although he did win the Latin Bnet Invitationals. I'd like to point out that Major isn't BM, he is more than that, he is a blatant asshole. Idra may be considered by some to be 'asshole' by his childish 'rage' antics, but in comparison to what Major does, he is nothing. I'd like to talk about the SEA tourney hosted by Dox which Major fucked up for example. The SEA tourney was a mini online tourney with a prize pool of $500 fully paid for by Dox because he loved Starcraft 2 and he wanted to organize a tournament for the SEA community. Major having interest in taking part in that tournament, went to one of the admins of the tournament to clarify the rules on participation and was told that he could not participate as he was not a member of the SEA community. He then contacts Dox only on the day of the tournament, abusing him for an hour, calling him a 'faggot' and what not for not letting him play, and then goes on to smurf in the tournament, and like a moron, get caught. Showing no remorse for his actions, he proceeds to enter the stream chat for another hour and pick fights with people. A thread in TL was created by a disgruntled audience/participant of the tournament, and Major responded to the harsh reaction from the TL community by calling the SEA community shit and lying about the whole fiasco (it's funny how he blatantly lied about what went on in the chat between him and an admin, when a screenshot was posted showing the whole convo in the original post). Now for you people who are thinking, what does this have ANYTHING to do with making his sponsors look bad, I'd like to put a quote, one of many such comments made in the thread regarding his behavior. On July 19 2011 01:57 Gurblechev wrote: Isn't he the perfect representative for sixjax, since they are a scam website that cheats people out of their money? | ||
Kambing
United States1176 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:14 Choboo wrote: Please read before answering. I think you'd agree that in terms of MLG events Idra has done worse things than Major (i.e. flipping off Huk and MC, swearing at the mainstage etc.) Legitimate question: has Idra ever been given a technical foul at MLG? | ||
zeru
8156 Posts
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:14 Choboo wrote: Major hasn't cheated at MLG events. Should Idra also be banned from MLG? hey, clever boy. This is what I quoted: Please read before answering. I think you'd agree that in terms of MLG events Idra has done worse things than Major (i.e. flipping off Huk and MC, swearing at the mainstage etc.) Lol, idra never cheated, i pity you sir, it is not about sportmanship, it is about moral. You cross the line once, theres no more turning back. | ||
Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:17 Kambing wrote: Legitimate question: has Idra ever been given a technical foul at MLG? I doubt it, he often gets encouraged by tournaments for doing things like that >.> I.e. IPL. There was a lot of talk if Huk should get DQ because he started talking to Idra in the chat after the void ray hallu game tho but nothing happened iirc ^^. | ||
Like a Boss
502 Posts
My question is why didnt sixjax sent anyone to MLG? Seems like sixjax is having internal problems with or without major being around. Major is probably just a worm eatting away an already rotten apple. All in all, i think both sides suffer from this, Sixjax losing pretty much everything; a problematic skilled player, professionalism, team image and fans (eventually sponsors and much more). Major tarnishes his own image even more. | ||
TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:16 lisward wrote: I think it's very funny how people compare Major to Idra. Although Idra has been under performing of recent, he is nonetheless still one of the top level foreigners, with many achievements to back himself up. Idra is similar to Major in the sense that he can be unprofessional, mostly for getting frustrated after a loss and venting his anger on his opponent through personal attacks etc. However, I feel that Idra is way more professional when it comes to his work ethics. He definitely trains hard for his games and he functions well in Team EG. He has also contributed much to the esports scene, bringing much interest into Starcraft 2 due to his outspoken and unique personality, being a host in the Starcraft 2 'show', Inside the Game, and one of the pioneer foreign Starcraft progamers, be it Brood War or Wings of Liberty. What value has Major on the other hand, created for Starcraft? Although I am not familiar with the Brood War scene, I have heard much about Major being a menace in that scene, jumping from teams to teams and being an asshole. I did a quick check in Liquidpedia to take a look at his achievements in Starcraft 2; he's definitely not one of the 'best' foreigners so as to speak. His results are limited to mini online tourneys, although he did win the Latin Bnet Invitationals. I'd like to point out that Major isn't BM, he is more than that, he is a blatant asshole. Idra may be considered by some to be 'asshole' by his childish 'rage' antics, but in comparison to what Major does, he is nothing. I'd like to talk about the SEA tourney hosted by Dox which Major fucked up for example. The SEA tourney was a mini online tourney with a prize pool of $500 fully paid for by Dox because he loved Starcraft 2 and he wanted to organize a tournament for the SEA community. Major having interest in taking part in that tournament, went to one of the admins of the tournament to clarify the rules on participation and was told that he could not participate as he was not a member of the SEA community. He then contacts Dox only on the day of the tournament, abusing him for an hour, calling him a 'faggot' and what not for not letting him play, and then goes on to smurf in the tournament, and like a moron, get caught. Showing no remorse for his actions, he proceeds to enter the stream chat for another hour and pick fights with people. A thread in TL was created by a disgruntled audience/participant of the tournament, and Major responded to the harsh reaction from the TL community by calling the SEA community shit and lying about the whole fiasco (it's funny how he blatantly lied about what went on in the chat between him and an admin, when a screenshot was posted showing the whole convo in the original post). Now for you people who are thinking, what does this have ANYTHING to do with making his sponsors look bad, I'd like to put a quote, one of many such comments made in the thread regarding his behavior. | ||
Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:17 TolEranceNA wrote: Lol, idra never cheated, i pity you sir, it is not about sportmanship, it is about moral. You cross the line once, theres no more turning back. Since there is no Kespa in SC2 I don't think players should get punished in other tournaments than the one they did wrong in. I.e. if Major plays in a tournament he's technically not allowed in I don't think they should ban him from tournaments he is allowed to play like MLG. | ||
darlhet
Italy548 Posts
On September 06 2011 00:10 ronpaul012 wrote: idra's rage brought lots of attention on team EG and his sponsor so it would be counterproductive to punish him internally for him making sponsors happy.no. Idra has raged at players, and I'm assuming he's been internally punished for it. However we have never heard of idra swearing at teammates, or refusing to sport his team jersey. If all major had done was swear at other players I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be this big a deal. | ||
Zhou
United States832 Posts
When you're on a team, you're meant to represent them. It's in both party's interest that you work together. If the point is that it's just a jersey; then it's a jersey that represent your team, that you are on. The second thing that comes after this is what bothers me. It's not that major is rude. I understand there are people like that, but if he starts throwing tantrums and can't control himself in front of his team mates, how is his team supposed to feel about that? Regardless of how serious it is, I'm sure most people can see how Major is by recent events. It is about the professionalism that Major has to bring to himself. It's also about how you portray yourself. Would you really want someone with the attitude that major has on your team? There's a whole lot of hostility for a lot of entitlement that he asked for. His team was even going to help do some of it, but they had nothing in return. Mutual interest. You want to go to Korea? At the very least, respect your team mates and represent your team. They're also doing you a nice favor. As for the people comparing him to Idra, he breaks his keyboard rather than throwing obscenities directly at the person rather than in game. Idra still respects his team, and represents EG with I'm sure a great amount of respect for what they've done for him. The point is that Major needs to shape up and start being more respectful instead of thinking the world owes him these things. It works no differently than with real jobs. No body is going to want you if you don't want to work with them, and definitely not offending them. | ||
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