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Since there is no Kespa in SC2 I don't think players should get punished in other tournaments than the one they did wrong in. I.e. if Major plays in a tournament he's technically not allowed in I don't think they should ban him from tournaments he is allowed to play like MLG.[/QUOTE]
So because there isn't a organization ruling over over facet of global starcraft, tournaments shouldn't look on his poor behavior and say they don't want him there? Mlg certainly has the grounds to ban or suspend him as does any tournament that values professionalism.
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On September 06 2011 00:56 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 00:14 HaruRH wrote:On September 06 2011 00:01 Johnzee wrote:
It still blows me away that people are willing to defend this guy. People are apparently so used to the crappy, entitled attitudes of professional athletes in traditional sports that they're willing to give Major a pass here.
ESPORTS is quickly becoming a real and recognized part of what we traditionally consider to be sports, like basketball or football. But unlike traditional sports, where the practices and acceptable behavior of players has already been defined for us by past generations, we have an opportunity to redefine the standards that players should be held to given the relative new-ness of ESPORTS. I think this is particularly important because ESPORTS is still in the process of gaining legitimacy with mainstream audiences.
Major is a part of what people used to think ESPORTS was - just a bunch of kids playing videogames. If we tolerate or encourage childlike behavior, this is what it will continue to be. If we want it to be something more, our perception of this behavior needs to mature. I cannot believe how illiterate some people can get. This is not why we are defending majOr. Not because we encourage this behavior. However, in comparison with sixjax and it problems, majOr's problems are obsolete . Sixjax have to piss all over a released player, leaving him no face and little future. Do your bosses contact every single company in the industry to never employ you because of some childish behavior? Sixjax is doing it now. And, they are cancelling his promise for going to Korea just because he didn't wear team jersey. In my eyes, sixjax seems even more childish than ever. Also, their business model is really shady. It can go bust any second. Also, failure to explain why they can't send anyone to MLG Raleigh is also questionable. Its not about maturity here. Its about looking at a wider picture. What industry do you work in? From what I know, on planet Earth, if you are a professional and you carry yourself like a child in any given industry, no one will hire you. Companies are entitled to know of your performance in your previous jobs, if you're good, people will want you, if you're a jerk, no one will want you. Major should be accountable for his actions.
There have to be standards set in place in e-sports, just like the original person said, otherwise e-sports will never grow
I'm sure everyone will realize this when they look at Major's history. Props to Sixjax for telling the truth and hopefully making no other teams want to pick up Major. He doesn't deserve to play the game for a living if he isn't willing to conform to the professionalism of the scene.
For example, would you not want the accountants of Enron, Worldcom etc. to be forever shamed? Wouldn't you want the world to know what heinous crimes they commited? Would you want them to be hired by other companies? Do you have professional standards/integrity at all? Think about it.
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On September 06 2011 01:08 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 01:04 lisward wrote:On September 06 2011 00:58 Like a Boss wrote:On September 06 2011 00:51 Awatsu wrote:
I don't get why major gets such attention tbh, ppl like to talk about idra and his bad attitude, but at least he won something relevant. Idra has won something only because he's been to every major tournament. If major was at every tournament i am pretty sure he would win some also. As for general skill level their both top 5 in NA. Major is just unlucky to join the scene late(with bad reputation) and couldn't find a good team. You sound like a preacher talking about how jizzing on the floor kills babies, because every time you do that you might have killed a baby. If you want to make a statement you need to back it up with evidence, not what might be or what might have been, statements like Idra winning tournaments only because he's been to every major tourney ignores the fact that Idra is a very good player, and can be refuted by the presence of other players who attend 'every major' tournament and do not win anything. Lol... Your comparison makes little to no sense at all. Idra has been at ever major tournament since Beta, Major has not. Both Major and Idra are considered "Top5" NA players, had Major started playing the game at release or during Beta, he would have many more tournament wins under his belt. You can't deny his skill, even though I don't like the guy.
You just vomited everything that the person I quoted said, without reading what I said.
I can say that Nestea and MC win GSL's simply because they take part in all of them, but that would be a made up statistic and a lie.
I can say that Destiny is a Top 5 foreigner because he beat Bomber in a tournament and Puzzle in a show match, but that would be a lie.
Why so? Because I have no FACTS or STATISTICS to back up those statements.
Regardless of the number of tournaments Idra has taken part in, he still won them, he deserves those wins because he fought his way up to Gold. Major can't get past open brackets. The so-called 'big' tournament that Major won was the Latin America Bnet Invitationals, with most players being simply lackluster compared to the whole NA scene as a whole, save for maybe Catz and Killer. I will name 5 players from NA better than Major now : Idra, Huk, Select, Sheth, oh and a 6th player, Kiwikaki too. All players with more achievements in Starcraft 2 than Major.
Major is considered Top 5 NA by you. You need results to back up Top 5 status.
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On September 06 2011 01:41 throttled wrote:
Major is hurting esports with this bullshit. Period.
No I'm pretty sure E-Sports will go on unfazed.
People need to stop with that.....
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Does Skew actually think hes good? I mean come on.
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daaamn SJG handling this situation terribly.
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lol so what he told someone to fuck off after the guy offensive ggd him. Who cares? Stop taking everything so serious. WBC is pretty cheesy and smack talks on ladder anyways. Major is def top 5 NA.
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On September 06 2011 01:50 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 01:41 throttled wrote:
Major is hurting esports with this bullshit. Period. No I'm pretty sure E-Sports will go on unfazed. People need to stop with that.....
But he lost his PASSION years ago
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On September 06 2011 01:56 chrusher97 wrote:
lol so what he told someone to fuck off after the guy offensive ggd him. Who cares? Stop taking everything so serious. WBC is pretty cheesy and smack talks on ladder anyways. Major is def top 5 NA.
Major is considered Top 5 NA by you. You need results to back up Top 5 status.
Maybe some day it dawns to major that real world business requires some code of conduct and you actually have to answer for your behaviour, instead of whining like they'd be your mother sending you to your room. You sign a contract, it means something. I really hope he actually read it, although it's apparent he didn't understand it fully.
Blaming SixJax to clear out crap tossed out by major (and skew) is ludicrous.
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How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
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such passion for such events jesus
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You think I don't know the law? Wasn't it me who wrote it? And I say that this man has broken the law. Right or wrong, we had a deal. And the law says: bust a deal and face the wheel! - Aunty Entity
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On September 06 2011 02:01 LanTAs wrote:
How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
every team has their own set of rules. maybe EG doesnt care as much as sixjax in terms of BM, and if you really compare what major does for sixjax and what idra does for EG, its like night and day in terms of what they bring to their respective companies.
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On September 06 2011 02:01 LanTAs wrote:
How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
I think it was more because he BM'd his own teammate during a tournament, rather than just BM in general.
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On September 06 2011 02:01 LanTAs wrote:
How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
Because what Major did was not merely limited BM. Idra BM's people in matches, but he doesn't dick things IRL like forgetting to wear your sponsors T-Shirt, refusing to play for his team, attacking his own team mates and lying about everything. (Refer to his version of the story/SEA incident)
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After leaving so many team, I dont believe it is sixjax fault. This guy reputation is as bad as it gets. It would seem he doesnt care about his team and just want to use the money they give him to achieve his goal. Which is fine but when you break contract that you have agreed upon that pretty unacceptable because they have agreed to help you achieve your goal. Defending him self here was a big mistake. He should of just keep it quite. Now that he has explained his side of the story, SixJax also explain their side of the story. Except, his credibility is nonexistent from his past. He is a good player but sadly, I dont believe he will ever get wat he wants with that attitude.
Also comparing Idra to Juan, Idra doesnt make a big scene about it. Think of idra as the guy on the internet that BM and Juan as the guy that BM you in game AND comes to your house to BM in real life.
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On September 06 2011 02:01 LanTAs wrote:
How can idra do this w/o getting kicked off a team? Is BM really enough to get hated by the whole comunity? Why are people saying "this dude is hurting esports"?
Do what? He "only" BM his opponents , some trash talking here and balance whining there.
That's all pretty much.
He (seem) to like his team and promote it (and sponsors) so Idk about comparing major to idra.
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What's this "He lost his passion YEARS ago"-meme about?
I've even heard Tasteless using it.
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Lest we forget that if we want to make esports work AND if we want it to be perceived not as "just kids playing video games," we have to approach this formally and profesionally. Major seems to be stuck in a sort of selfish spot, and assuming what SJ said is true, Major acted childish -- and of course, this would accord with what I've heard is how he's acted in the past. Such behavior can't be tolerated in any professional atmosphere, and it's especially toxic to the growth of esports.
I completely understand SJ's position, and I'm still very much a fan of the team and its players.
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after reading the second statement from SJ, im suprised that Maj0r responded how he did... thats just unprofessional and rude, so his contract was, deservedly, terminated.
TBQH, for all the shit he stirs up, i dont think (and dont want, but thats personal bias =P) him to be signed by another team, his RL decision making is just piss poor
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