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dookudooku
255 Posts
On September 02 2011 17:30 Flix wrote: I apologies i don't get this... Also the text on the bottle is too small to read and I can't google it/find it. Can someone explain? Really curious, this guy got banned. Thanks! I believe the bottle contains Protoss tears, or tears of Protoss players crying/whining about imbalance. | ||
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
I'm a Protoss, and like everybody I lose a lot to 1-1-1. But I don't hate it at all. In fact I find it intellectually challenging. I'm sure there must a be a strat to beat it. We just need to figure it out, that's part of the fun  | ||
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Raggamuffinoo
United Kingdom117 Posts
On September 02 2011 18:34 Nyast wrote: Has anybody tried mass blink stalkers ( and I don't mean half stalkers, half zealots, but really comitting to 100% stalkers ) to hit & run the Terran army just before he leaves his base, while dropping a prism and warping a couple zealots in his mineral line at the same time ? I'm a Protoss, and like everybody I lose a lot to 1-1-1. But I don't hate it at all. In fact I find it intellectually challenging. I'm sure there must a be a strat to beat it. We just need to figure it out, that's part of the fun WhiteRa did this exact thing and it wasn't even close, by the time terran had finally reached WhiteRas' base, he had two tanks and under twenty marines (oh, and about 12 scvs ^_^ ). The map was Typhon Peaks, on Xel Naga Caverns I still feel this build is incredibly difficult to hold. On such a map, I believe KiWiKaKis' MLG strategy is the way to go, just so long as you clear your gold rocks/don't engage there. | ||
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Flix
Belgium114 Posts
On September 02 2011 18:05 dookudooku wrote: I believe the bottle contains Protoss tears, or tears of Protoss players crying/whining about imbalance. I think you're right I just noticed the Toss face has a tear in his eye. Thanks | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 02 2011 18:46 Raggamuffinoo wrote: WhiteRa did this exact thing and it wasn't even close, by the time terran had finally reached WhiteRas' base, he had two tanks and under twenty marines (oh, and about 12 scvs ^_^ ). The map was Typhon Peaks, on Xel Naga Caverns I still feel this build is incredibly difficult to hold. On such a map, I believe KiWiKaKis' MLG strategy is the way to go, just so long as you clear your gold rocks/don't engage there. Yep, it was a pretty awesome game. I can't remember if he expanded or when he decided to go Blink, because Blink builds are pretty bad against anything with Marauders. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On August 29 2011 06:02 Ravomat wrote: Puzzle still had enough stalkers left from the initial engagement to deal with the banshees. So no, he did have sufficient anti-air. I still think this game doesn't show any imbalance because of all the units Puzzle lost for very little gain after he held the first push. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Puzzle didn't throw his units away and MKP didn't lose those 3 tanks. Yes, they were even in supply after the push but MKP was 20 supply up to begin with. Did you even watch the game? I play Protoss by the way. I suppose that's fair enough. My analysis of the game, is that Puzzle is behind to begin with, because that's how 1 base Protoss vs 1 base Terran works, then gets two brilliant engagements, and this evens it up. Had he teched to Colossus at that point, he might've been in a good spot. The fact that they were even on supply doesn't help much in itself - PuMa was 20 supply behind MC with his second push, and still crushed. I mean, there's a limit to blaming the loss on the Protoss' mistakes. You could blame every Zerg loss to 5RR on mistakes, but that didn't make that shit any less overpowered. I just watch these games in the GSL, and I have trouble imagining how this can be solved without patching the game. The fact that this all-in requires you to be greedy in order to defend is grounds for a nerf in itself. Now, I'm not out for Terran blood, and this will probably screw up a lot of things for them. The reason is that this situation just serves to emphasize the design failures of Protoss and Terran, and is something that can't just be repaired easily with a peripheral change. I'm personally waiting for HotS Beta, to see if Blizzard actually learned anything from the 1 year of SC2 as a competitive game. If not, oh well, there's always Dota2. | ||
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
just simple | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
On September 04 2011 03:24 hummingbird23 wrote: This garbage is making the ladder nearly unplayable. Virtually every PvT has turned into this obscenity of a build order loss. There is no way in hell that +1 immortal range will fix this crap. it's just getting the right composition out and meeting the terran in the right place i give it a month and korean protoss will have a legit strat figured out | ||
Ninety-Three
United States68 Posts
If everyone spent as much time practicing as they do complaining, we'd have a much more powerful community. | ||
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
On September 04 2011 03:30 MisterTea wrote: it's just getting the right composition out and meeting the terran in the right place i give it a month and korean protoss will have a legit strat figured out Are you trolling? This strat has existed since beta lol. | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
When attacking, you need to have your guardian shield protecting your zealots, and forcefields preventing the marines from retreating. If you manage to kill all the marines or tanks, the rush is pretty much over. It is difficult to hold, but definitely not impossible. I still do think some sort of a nerf would help the metagame a lot in this case. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On September 04 2011 03:35 Vapaach wrote: I stopped it yesterday ( I am 900 masters). It requires absolute precise control and a good sense of what to build to counter it (in comparison to the terran just massing units and a-moving). You ideally want to 30-32 probes, 4 gates and a robo which is constantly pumping immortals. You don't need your 3rd or 4th gas, because you just want to make 3-5 sentries, immortals and zealots. If your opponent harasses you with banshees make a stalker or two to deflect the threat from the sky. If you just have 2 stalkers being warped in and trying to deal with plural banshee, then can't they just take out 1 stalker immediately and the other one after it warps in? | ||
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Doler
United States206 Posts
On September 02 2011 18:34 Nyast wrote: Has anybody tried mass blink stalkers ( and I don't mean half stalkers, half zealots, but really comitting to 100% stalkers ) to hit & run the Terran army just before he leaves his base, while dropping a prism and warping a couple zealots in his mineral line at the same time ? I'm a Protoss, and like everybody I lose a lot to 1-1-1. But I don't hate it at all. In fact I find it intellectually challenging. I'm sure there must a be a strat to beat it. We just need to figure it out, that's part of the fun Yea but the thing is, the koreans are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond your level of play. You think they haven't tryed everything they can to beat it? If not even all the koreans together can figure out a plan to defeat it, I hardly doubt there is a "strat" to beat it. | ||
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
Here's some really really crucial tips, I wonder why isn't more obvious in this thread: 1: The most important thing you can do is FLANKING. If possible I often put a pylon, a handfull zealots + maybe one immortal in some weird location (on shakuras I had it below the 3rd). When they siege up, zealots and immortals can soak up dmg like bawses and kill the tanks, while my stalker/sentry (+maybe colos) in front can deal with the marines/banshees... 2: 1gate expo is fairly safe in most situations (3raxx CAN be a prob, but this is easilly scouted). So in 80% of my PvT's I'm going 1gate exp --> 4gate/robo... with stalker pokes and obs it's fairly easy to predict his moves. 3: Stalker poke! If he's doing 1/1/1 he wont have marauders (and no conc shells) = it's safe to poke. Do some dmg. I'm actually killing of a handfull of marines just by poking and poking untill he's either bunkering up or gets his tank out. 4: Gas steal! If you gas steal he can't 1/1/1... At least not the same way. It will either be heavilly delayed - or he will go banshee-less... og siege-less... However normally with more marines. But most people dont realize, you can break the 1/1/1 by flanking. The main dps is marines, which is easilly negated by stalker/sentry... These units will have a horrible time against the tanks... But just flank and the tanks are destroyed. I hope this helps. Just for the record: I do NOT have a super high win% against this. But I've won around 80% of my games against this since I started doing the 3 first moves listed. Cheers Oh - I'm top 25master on the EU server btw | ||
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
Even if you know that he will be doing the rush you dont know what timing he will be moving out. Will he wait for cloak + siegemode and a raven or will he go with just marines a tank and banshee without upgrades. It's kinda hard to stop i dont know if it's imba though | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On September 04 2011 03:42 Doler wrote: Yea but the thing is, the koreans are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond your level of play. You think they haven't tryed everything they can to beat it? If not even all the koreans together can figure out a plan to defeat it, I hardly doubt there is a "strat" to beat it. I dont think this is entirely true as their strength is mostly on a macro/micro level. Foreign players have shown themselves to be more consistently imaginative. That being said, blink stalkers is one area Koreans have played to death. With their insistence on using them against literally everything I find it hard to believe they are the answer. | ||
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TumbaSC
United States78 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
It's the same thing IdrA was complaining about with regards to toss and terran for a long time. Zergs have since figured out that they can afford to make small economy cuts to blind counter certain things and still be ahead (or at least not behind) because of how fast they can drone (getting an early evo chamber in case you need spores, etc.). Protoss doesn't have the ability to do that. | ||
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