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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On July 22 2014 12:51 Faust852 wrote: Banshee is the only unit that has never been nerfed since the beta. His argument is that the banshee was de facto nerfed because some of its counters were buffed. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On July 22 2014 12:25 Foreverkul wrote: Except mech is not viable because it doesn't supplement bio well, and is too costly to go only mech. They need something that can create a mixed composition and this ability would allow it. If you can't micro the unit like bio its not worth the investment when bio is so cost efficient. I believe it would be better to give blink to hellbats. Let's call it "xXx_JUMPOFDEATH_xXx" so that it's cool. | ||
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BruMeister
United States90 Posts
Solution: -Protoss can only warp in units on a pylon energy field which is X amount (this would need tinkering with) of distance from a Nexus. -Units can still spawn via a Warp Prism anywhere on the map. However, reduce the warp field (not sure a good number) of the Warp Prisim, but increase its carrying capacity by 1 or 2. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 23 2014 10:43 BruMeister wrote: One of the (if not the biggest) problems with Warp Gate is that it completely negates the defenders advantage. The protoss can just warp in units right outside your base during an attack where as zerg and terran need to spawn them from their bases when they, themselves, are are attacking. Solution: -Protoss can only warp in units on a pylon energy field which is X amount (this would need tinkering with) of distance from a Nexus. -Units can still spawn via a Warp Prism anywhere on the map. However, reduce the warp field (not sure a good number) of the Warp Prisim, but increase its carrying capacity by 1 or 2. Which would ruin the whole flavor and point of warping in. Better nerfs would be increased warp in time, increased unit cooldown, increase warp-in animation size so fewer units fit per pylon, etc... The goal of changes should be to maintain or increase differentiation. Protoss is the teleport race. You don't change their teleports. | ||
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Spect8rCraft
649 Posts
On July 24 2014 00:31 Thieving Magpie wrote: Which would ruin the whole flavor and point of warping in. Better nerfs would be increased warp in time, increased unit cooldown, increase warp-in animation size so fewer units fit per pylon, etc... The goal of changes should be to maintain or increase differentiation. Protoss is the teleport race. You don't change their teleports. At the risk of turning the Protoss screen into a mess, why don't Protoss warp units warp in around a warp gate field? Since most Protoss use warp gates to simcity their bases anyway, it won't affect their defender's advantage, while making offensive warp-ins more invested (or more prismatic). | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
TvZ is at 13-12: 52% TvP is at 6-4: 60% ZvP is at 6-23: 21% The race distribution in Code S currently is (P-T-Z) at 11-5-8 with 2more P guaranteed out of the last four Code A Groups. Up to 6P, 5T and 3Z can still make it, 2of the Ps are surely gone. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On July 24 2014 06:53 Big J wrote: ZvP is at 6-23: 21% Holy shit, what? | ||
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Terence Chill
Germany112 Posts
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Konranjyoutai
112 Posts
I think a lot of people don't realize that Zerg has just as hard of a time vs Protoss as Terran does. Yet we get silly patches that buff Terran vs Protoss which in tern nerfs Zerg vs Terran. So now what is going to happen is Zerg will have a low win percentage vs Terran AND Protoss. I'll never understand the thought process behind these patches when Terran didn't need to be buffed, only Protoss needed to be nerfed. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46197 Posts
On July 22 2014 12:51 Faust852 wrote: Banshee is the only unit that has never been nerfed since the beta. Is this really true? Across all three races or just Terran? I assume workers don't count? What about marauders? | ||
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TelecoM
United States10782 Posts
I know right......crazy....not sure that the time warp nerf is going to really change this much either lol | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 24 2014 11:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is this really true? Across all three races or just Terran? I assume workers don't count? What about marauders? Concussive Shell was nerfed into an upgrade. SCVs had their HP reduced. Idk about probes and drones. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On July 24 2014 12:11 Thieving Magpie wrote: Concussive Shell was nerfed into an upgrade. SCVs had their HP reduced. Idk about probes and drones. Hm... if you take into account that worker bug you could abuse.... | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 24 2014 11:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is this really true? Across all three races or just Terran? I assume workers don't count? What about marauders? Only terran. All others units were nerfed a some point. | ||
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Konranjyoutai
112 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10782 Posts
On July 24 2014 11:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is this really true? Across all three races or just Terran? I assume workers don't count? What about marauders? Baneling I don't think has ever been nerfed / buffed since beta or early stages of WOL lol | ||
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keglu
Poland485 Posts
On July 24 2014 11:44 Konranjyoutai wrote: I think a lot of people don't realize that Zerg has just as hard of a time vs Protoss as Terran does. Yet we get silly patches that buff Terran vs Protoss which in tern nerfs Zerg vs Terran. So now what is going to happen is Zerg will have a low win percentage vs Terran AND Protoss. I'll never understand the thought process behind these patches when Terran didn't need to be buffed, only Protoss needed to be nerfed. Actually problem was mainly TvZ an not TvP, so patches were directed correctly. Protoss was in slight disadvantage on both matchups last few months. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 24 2014 13:43 keglu wrote: Actually problem was mainly TvZ an not TvP, so patches were directed correctly. Protoss was in slight disadvantage on both matchups last few months. Well, one thing is for sure, that PvZ hasn't been any problem in the last year or so. It's been a little up and down for both sides, but the winrates of aligulac and the highest level of play, as well as the racial representations were good. For TvZ, it has been a little more off in aligulac, but the winrates at the highest level were consistently very good. Zerg peaks are around 55% like in season 2 Code A, with Terran also having its share of 55%+ winrates (but less often). TvP has looked better in aligulac, but in Korea it has been around 21-33% in multiple tournaments (proleague, Code A season 1, this seasons qualifier) while Terran peaks are at 50%. At least on GSL/Proleague level it looks like TvP is a massive problem and TvZ a small one at best. At least at that level, Protoss hasn't been at any disadvantage at all against Z/T and is the main reason for the low Terran participation. (79% winrate in Code A season 1 --> Terrans in Code S dropping from 11 to 3) | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 24 2014 14:20 Big J wrote: Well, one thing is for sure, that PvZ hasn't been any problem in the last year or so. It's been a little up and down for both sides, but the winrates of aligulac and the highest level of play, as well as the racial representations were good. For TvZ, it has been a little more off in aligulac, but the winrates at the highest level were consistently very good. Zerg peaks are around 55% like in season 2 Code A, with Terran also having its share of 55%+ winrates (but less often). TvP has looked better in aligulac, but in Korea it has been around 21-33% in multiple tournaments (proleague, Code A season 1, this seasons qualifier) while Terran peaks are at 50%. At least on GSL/Proleague level it looks like TvP is a massive problem and TvZ a small one at best. At least at that level, Protoss hasn't been at any disadvantage at all against Z/T and is the main reason for the low Terran participation. (79% winrate in Code A season 1 --> Terrans in Code S dropping from 11 to 3) What will be sure is that we might see some 80% win for T in wcs/gsl for a couple of months. But imho it will be more a sign of terran getting back in the game + zergs in adaptation period more than imbalance. But I pretty much expect a lot a zerg cry for a long time in ladder. | ||
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