I don't really care about LAN anymore just give us the option to rehost custom games after some one disconnected. Rehostable Save Games for tournaments would be good enough.
On August 15 2011 21:27 Eleaven wrote: People actually defending having less consumer rights year by year... interesting..
There's a difference between trying to defend consumer rights when its a product where safety is concerned or when it falls under necessities of life kinda thing. You make it sound as if they're the government trying to take away freedom of speech.
lol customer rights. What about the right of the creator of intellectual property having the right to protect themselves? Its not as if they told you there would be LAN on the box and when you installed the game it wasn't there. LAN or lack of LAN isn't going to seriously hurt any one. It's just annoying as hell.
They tried to protect themselves with there always-on approach, and it didn't work. sc2 one of the most pirated games of 2010 iirc. Now there's also a working lan crack.
Not adding lan to the official game at this point is ONLY punishing the legitimate players and tournaments. It can't "hurt blizzard" like you'd try to tell us, if the option is there to play lan, and people pirate it.. okay.. they would have pirated the lan version that's already out too.. either way it's not a sale for blizzard, but for legitimate organisations it's a lose-lose scenario.
You're making stuff up b/c it fits the way you imagine things. You have no idea of the actual data and figures.
Blizzard's business decisions are better than yours. You might not like them - but Blizzard wouldn't be doing it if it didn't make sense.
On August 15 2011 19:51 marconi wrote: Although this is a great effort and I really support it, you guys have to realize that it's not about the players, it's about the money.
I am 99 percent sure that blizzard will NEVER EVER implement LAN support, cuz in their eyes it's a loss of money ( pirating ), and we all know how corporations as huge as blizzard work.
A lot of stuff is missing from bnet 2.0, there were countless pleas from the community ( integrated chat channels, lan, clan support etc. ), and blizz just ignored them. You see, it's not the programming or time that's the problem, it's their financial calculation at the end of the day that counts.
Unfortunately for all of us, blizzard is not the company from 10 years ago,
Today's blizzard is the same shit as EA or Microsoft, a money-milking company.
When Blizzard got really huge with WoW, it got bought by greedy rich share holders who's only concern is how to make as much money as possible, while minimizing losses and removing the "outdated" parts of the game. I mean, they fucking charge money for CHANGING YOUR NICKNAME.
I don't see how you guys can expect something more for the players when a simple thing like changing you nickname is not so simple.
So you see my dear fellow starcraft and blizzard fans,
it's not our opinion that counts,
It's our money that counts.
And as long as we are obedient little fanboys who give them money, they won't give a fuck at what we want.
Sadly, blizzard is not the only company that got ruined by money, for example, just look at bioware when they got bought by EA, the quality of their games dropped drastically. Money ruins everything, and the video game industry is no exception, games today are just money milking tools with awesome graphics and 0 content ( 90 percent of them ), and it's a trend that will continue. Sadly, we the players are those who are at fault, we allowed for this shit to happen cuz we kept on buying shitty games, and the game companies know this.
That's why today you have bnet 0.2 and terran edition starcraft 2.
But there's more: zerg edition starcraft 2 is coming up! And after you spend another 50 bucks on it, there's more! that's right, protoss edition kids!
Who gives a shit about balance or chat channels when you have 1/3 of a game on the market? there's plenty of time !
So let's all be good fanboys and buy HOTS.
You're talking as if SC2:WoL wasn't worth the money. To me it was. The reason they don't implement LAN is because it will make thousands of different ladders where noone is in the official one. That wouldn't really be good for you or me now would it?
SC2:HoS will also be worth the money, if you don't think so. Don't buy it.
On August 15 2011 19:51 marconi wrote: Although this is a great effort and I really support it, you guys have to realize that it's not about the players, it's about the money.
I am 99 percent sure that blizzard will NEVER EVER implement LAN support, cuz in their eyes it's a loss of money ( pirating ), and we all know how corporations as huge as blizzard work.
A lot of stuff is missing from bnet 2.0, there were countless pleas from the community ( integrated chat channels, lan, clan support etc. ), and blizz just ignored them. You see, it's not the programming or time that's the problem, it's their financial calculation at the end of the day that counts.
Unfortunately for all of us, blizzard is not the company from 10 years ago,
Today's blizzard is the same shit as EA or Microsoft, a money-milking company.
When Blizzard got really huge with WoW, it got bought by greedy rich share holders who's only concern is how to make as much money as possible, while minimizing losses and removing the "outdated" parts of the game. I mean, they fucking charge money for CHANGING YOUR NICKNAME.
I don't see how you guys can expect something more for the players when a simple thing like changing you nickname is not so simple.
So you see my dear fellow starcraft and blizzard fans,
it's not our opinion that counts,
It's our money that counts.
And as long as we are obedient little fanboys who give them money, they won't give a fuck at what we want.
Sadly, blizzard is not the only company that got ruined by money, for example, just look at bioware when they got bought by EA, the quality of their games dropped drastically. Money ruins everything, and the video game industry is no exception, games today are just money milking tools with awesome graphics and 0 content ( 90 percent of them ), and it's a trend that will continue. Sadly, we the players are those who are at fault, we allowed for this shit to happen cuz we kept on buying shitty games, and the game companies know this.
That's why today you have bnet 0.2 and terran edition starcraft 2.
But there's more: zerg edition starcraft 2 is coming up! And after you spend another 50 bucks on it, there's more! that's right, protoss edition kids!
Who gives a shit about balance or chat channels when you have 1/3 of a game on the market? there's plenty of time !
So let's all be good fanboys and buy HOTS.
You're talking as if SC2:WoL wasn't worth the money. To me it was. The reason they don't implement LAN is because it will make thousands of different ladders where noone is in the official one. That wouldn't really be good for you or me now would it?
SC2:HoS will also be worth the money, if you don't think so. Don't buy it.
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I'm speechless. Do you even know what LAN is?
iccup, garena etc exist because of lan. they are preferrable to bnet because of better ping and better international online tournament support (neutral host for EU vs KR etc).
On August 15 2011 19:51 marconi wrote: Although this is a great effort and I really support it, you guys have to realize that it's not about the players, it's about the money.
I am 99 percent sure that blizzard will NEVER EVER implement LAN support, cuz in their eyes it's a loss of money ( pirating ), and we all know how corporations as huge as blizzard work.
A lot of stuff is missing from bnet 2.0, there were countless pleas from the community ( integrated chat channels, lan, clan support etc. ), and blizz just ignored them. You see, it's not the programming or time that's the problem, it's their financial calculation at the end of the day that counts.
Unfortunately for all of us, blizzard is not the company from 10 years ago,
Today's blizzard is the same shit as EA or Microsoft, a money-milking company.
When Blizzard got really huge with WoW, it got bought by greedy rich share holders who's only concern is how to make as much money as possible, while minimizing losses and removing the "outdated" parts of the game. I mean, they fucking charge money for CHANGING YOUR NICKNAME.
I don't see how you guys can expect something more for the players when a simple thing like changing you nickname is not so simple.
So you see my dear fellow starcraft and blizzard fans,
it's not our opinion that counts,
It's our money that counts.
And as long as we are obedient little fanboys who give them money, they won't give a fuck at what we want.
Sadly, blizzard is not the only company that got ruined by money, for example, just look at bioware when they got bought by EA, the quality of their games dropped drastically. Money ruins everything, and the video game industry is no exception, games today are just money milking tools with awesome graphics and 0 content ( 90 percent of them ), and it's a trend that will continue. Sadly, we the players are those who are at fault, we allowed for this shit to happen cuz we kept on buying shitty games, and the game companies know this.
That's why today you have bnet 0.2 and terran edition starcraft 2.
But there's more: zerg edition starcraft 2 is coming up! And after you spend another 50 bucks on it, there's more! that's right, protoss edition kids!
Who gives a shit about balance or chat channels when you have 1/3 of a game on the market? there's plenty of time !
So let's all be good fanboys and buy HOTS.
You're talking as if SC2:WoL wasn't worth the money. To me it was. The reason they don't implement LAN is because it will make thousands of different ladders where noone is in the official one. That wouldn't really be good for you or me now would it?
SC2:HoS will also be worth the money, if you don't think so. Don't buy it.
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I'm speechless. Do you even know what LAN is?
iccup, garena etc exist because of lan. they are preferrable to bnet because of better ping and better international online tournament support (neutral host for EU vs KR etc).
and becose you can easily run them with pirate copies ( I know a lot of people who play DOTA on Garena and im the only one I know who actually bought WC3)
On August 15 2011 21:27 Eleaven wrote: People actually defending having less consumer rights year by year... interesting..
There's a difference between trying to defend consumer rights when its a product where safety is concerned or when it falls under necessities of life kinda thing. You make it sound as if they're the government trying to take away freedom of speech.
lol customer rights. What about the right of the creator of intellectual property having the right to protect themselves? Its not as if they told you there would be LAN on the box and when you installed the game it wasn't there. LAN or lack of LAN isn't going to seriously hurt any one. It's just annoying as hell.
They tried to protect themselves with there always-on approach, and it didn't work. sc2 one of the most pirated games of 2010 iirc. Now there's also a working lan crack.
Not adding lan to the official game at this point is ONLY punishing the legitimate players and tournaments. It can't "hurt blizzard" like you'd try to tell us, if the option is there to play lan, and people pirate it.. okay.. they would have pirated the lan version that's already out too.. either way it's not a sale for blizzard, but for legitimate organisations it's a lose-lose scenario.
They want to protect their IP from not just pirates but also from potential KeSPA situations arising again. BW was hugely successful but they had no control over it. iccup, kespa etc. This time around they want to maintain control. Why should organizations that didn't contribute to their IP be successful using it without them being a part of it (financial/vision/whatever)?
They want tournaments etc to happen but they don't want to relinquish control. Its fair that they don't want to do so. As a company with shareholders, they're goal is to develop games for PROFIT not for your entertainment. Entertaining games are the road to the goal of profit. You can have an idealized view where you can say profit is a side effect of entertaining games etc and try to argue but the reality is its all just risk vs reward. Is the risk of adding LAN worth it for them. Even with the hacked LAN out there, tournaments wouldn't risk using it. And just cuz some rogue group is hacking their game doesn't mean blizzard should release a LAN version and make it even easier for them.
Theres also the LAN cafe situation, but I'm not too aware of how rampant pirating is there.
Until you prove to them not adding LAN is costing them more than the losses they will face by adding LAN, they're not going to do it.
On August 15 2011 19:51 marconi wrote: Although this is a great effort and I really support it, you guys have to realize that it's not about the players, it's about the money.
I am 99 percent sure that blizzard will NEVER EVER implement LAN support, cuz in their eyes it's a loss of money ( pirating ), and we all know how corporations as huge as blizzard work.
A lot of stuff is missing from bnet 2.0, there were countless pleas from the community ( integrated chat channels, lan, clan support etc. ), and blizz just ignored them. You see, it's not the programming or time that's the problem, it's their financial calculation at the end of the day that counts.
Unfortunately for all of us, blizzard is not the company from 10 years ago,
Today's blizzard is the same shit as EA or Microsoft, a money-milking company.
When Blizzard got really huge with WoW, it got bought by greedy rich share holders who's only concern is how to make as much money as possible, while minimizing losses and removing the "outdated" parts of the game. I mean, they fucking charge money for CHANGING YOUR NICKNAME.
I don't see how you guys can expect something more for the players when a simple thing like changing you nickname is not so simple.
So you see my dear fellow starcraft and blizzard fans,
it's not our opinion that counts,
It's our money that counts.
And as long as we are obedient little fanboys who give them money, they won't give a fuck at what we want.
Sadly, blizzard is not the only company that got ruined by money, for example, just look at bioware when they got bought by EA, the quality of their games dropped drastically. Money ruins everything, and the video game industry is no exception, games today are just money milking tools with awesome graphics and 0 content ( 90 percent of them ), and it's a trend that will continue. Sadly, we the players are those who are at fault, we allowed for this shit to happen cuz we kept on buying shitty games, and the game companies know this.
That's why today you have bnet 0.2 and terran edition starcraft 2.
But there's more: zerg edition starcraft 2 is coming up! And after you spend another 50 bucks on it, there's more! that's right, protoss edition kids!
Who gives a shit about balance or chat channels when you have 1/3 of a game on the market? there's plenty of time !
So let's all be good fanboys and buy HOTS.
My thoughts exactly. I've actually recently started taking more of an interest in Brood War again because of it. I just can't be interested in a game that exists purely to try to milk me.
On August 15 2011 19:51 marconi wrote: Although this is a great effort and I really support it, you guys have to realize that it's not about the players, it's about the money.
I am 99 percent sure that blizzard will NEVER EVER implement LAN support, cuz in their eyes it's a loss of money ( pirating ), and we all know how corporations as huge as blizzard work.
A lot of stuff is missing from bnet 2.0, there were countless pleas from the community ( integrated chat channels, lan, clan support etc. ), and blizz just ignored them. You see, it's not the programming or time that's the problem, it's their financial calculation at the end of the day that counts.
Unfortunately for all of us, blizzard is not the company from 10 years ago,
Today's blizzard is the same shit as EA or Microsoft, a money-milking company.
When Blizzard got really huge with WoW, it got bought by greedy rich share holders who's only concern is how to make as much money as possible, while minimizing losses and removing the "outdated" parts of the game. I mean, they fucking charge money for CHANGING YOUR NICKNAME.
I don't see how you guys can expect something more for the players when a simple thing like changing you nickname is not so simple.
So you see my dear fellow starcraft and blizzard fans,
it's not our opinion that counts,
It's our money that counts.
And as long as we are obedient little fanboys who give them money, they won't give a fuck at what we want.
Sadly, blizzard is not the only company that got ruined by money, for example, just look at bioware when they got bought by EA, the quality of their games dropped drastically. Money ruins everything, and the video game industry is no exception, games today are just money milking tools with awesome graphics and 0 content ( 90 percent of them ), and it's a trend that will continue. Sadly, we the players are those who are at fault, we allowed for this shit to happen cuz we kept on buying shitty games, and the game companies know this.
That's why today you have bnet 0.2 and terran edition starcraft 2.
But there's more: zerg edition starcraft 2 is coming up! And after you spend another 50 bucks on it, there's more! that's right, protoss edition kids!
Who gives a shit about balance or chat channels when you have 1/3 of a game on the market? there's plenty of time !
So let's all be good fanboys and buy HOTS.
You're talking as if SC2:WoL wasn't worth the money. To me it was. The reason they don't implement LAN is because it will make thousands of different ladders where noone is in the official one. That wouldn't really be good for you or me now would it?
SC2:HoS will also be worth the money, if you don't think so. Don't buy it.
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I'm speechless. Do you even know what LAN is?
iccup, garena etc exist because of lan. they are preferrable to bnet because of better ping and better international online tournament support (neutral host for EU vs KR etc).
On August 15 2011 22:21 Logros wrote: Everyone has internet nowadays and it's not hard to set up anywhere so I never understood the big issue with no LAN.
I think your definition of "everyone" is somewhat different to the actual definition.
On August 15 2011 19:51 marconi wrote: Although this is a great effort and I really support it, you guys have to realize that it's not about the players, it's about the money.
I am 99 percent sure that blizzard will NEVER EVER implement LAN support, cuz in their eyes it's a loss of money ( pirating ), and we all know how corporations as huge as blizzard work.
A lot of stuff is missing from bnet 2.0, there were countless pleas from the community ( integrated chat channels, lan, clan support etc. ), and blizz just ignored them. You see, it's not the programming or time that's the problem, it's their financial calculation at the end of the day that counts.
Unfortunately for all of us, blizzard is not the company from 10 years ago,
Today's blizzard is the same shit as EA or Microsoft, a money-milking company.
When Blizzard got really huge with WoW, it got bought by greedy rich share holders who's only concern is how to make as much money as possible, while minimizing losses and removing the "outdated" parts of the game. I mean, they fucking charge money for CHANGING YOUR NICKNAME.
I don't see how you guys can expect something more for the players when a simple thing like changing you nickname is not so simple.
So you see my dear fellow starcraft and blizzard fans,
it's not our opinion that counts,
It's our money that counts.
And as long as we are obedient little fanboys who give them money, they won't give a fuck at what we want.
Sadly, blizzard is not the only company that got ruined by money, for example, just look at bioware when they got bought by EA, the quality of their games dropped drastically. Money ruins everything, and the video game industry is no exception, games today are just money milking tools with awesome graphics and 0 content ( 90 percent of them ), and it's a trend that will continue. Sadly, we the players are those who are at fault, we allowed for this shit to happen cuz we kept on buying shitty games, and the game companies know this.
That's why today you have bnet 0.2 and terran edition starcraft 2.
But there's more: zerg edition starcraft 2 is coming up! And after you spend another 50 bucks on it, there's more! that's right, protoss edition kids!
Who gives a shit about balance or chat channels when you have 1/3 of a game on the market? there's plenty of time !
So let's all be good fanboys and buy HOTS.
You're talking as if SC2:WoL wasn't worth the money. To me it was. The reason they don't implement LAN is because it will make thousands of different ladders where noone is in the official one. That wouldn't really be good for you or me now would it?
SC2:HoS will also be worth the money, if you don't think so. Don't buy it.
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I'm speechless. Do you even know what LAN is?
Do YOU even know what happened to SC1's and WC3's battle.net when vpn services such as Hamachi and Garena started to exist?
Blizzards reason for no LAN (at least officially) was "battle.net 2.0 will be so good you wont want LAN" however there is latency on b.net 2.0 which means micro cant be fully utilized the way it was in BW, there is Disconnects that although arent B.net's fault happen because you are connecting to the internet, for someone to play at a LAN tourneyment, you have to buy a copy of the local version of SC2 because you cant use your account from another region.
Kinda related to this post but not to lan, B.net 2.0 also has no appear offline option and no option to have a 2nd account (or atleast 2 usernames to switch to) for when your really not feeling sociable or you cant be bothered to upset a friend because you dont want to 2v2/3v3/4v4 with him
On August 15 2011 22:21 Logros wrote: Everyone has internet nowadays and it's not hard to set up anywhere so I never understood the big issue with no LAN.
Trying to play 4v4s with 8 people in the same room does not work because everyone has to connect to Battle.net, then back to the computer that is IN THE SAME ROOM AS THEM. That is a problem.
On August 15 2011 02:31 Topdoller wrote: I hope Blizzard bans this thing as anything that fragments the player base is bad imho. What Blizz should be working on is features like a proper DND and viewing replay with friends
All this LAN Hack does is encourages piracy with is the death of most PC games. Playing Online is where it is at and as you can see games like WOW and console games such as COD with massive player bases. The Internet is the future not LAN.
This is the same reason that when you are in a house with someone, you call them instead of going to talk with them (or use an intercom system). Phones are the future, man!
On August 15 2011 12:52 koonst wrote: not having lan evens the playing field for the little guys like myself i can practice witho ut worry that theres always gonig to be some lag . and i can access evens far away from my home town .. i am a poor man i cant aford to make trips to lan having lan will only exclude people like myself from alot of things. just my two cents.
So by that logic you should also hold world class sports events at run down school gyms. Also why do you get excluded from anything if dedicated lan tourneys are held on local servers, its not like you can remotely participate in a local lan event anyways.
It is absolutely grotesque that we live in a world where two people playing a computer game sitting next to each other have to waste massive ressources sending all their game data halfway across the fucking continent. This type of absurd decadence could be coming straight from a Douglas Adams novel.
Creating LAN hack may be illegal, but it is also an act of common sense.
On August 15 2011 12:52 koonst wrote: not having lan evens the playing field for the little guys like myself i can practice witho ut worry that theres always gonig to be some lag . and i can access evens far away from my home town .. i am a poor man i cant aford to make trips to lan having lan will only exclude people like myself from alot of things. just my two cents.
So by that logic you should also hold world class sports events at run down school gyms. Also why do you get excluded from anything if dedicated lan tourneys are held on local servers, its not like you can remotely participate in a local lan event anyways.
It is absolutely grotesque that we live in a world where two people playing a computer game sitting next to each other have to waste massive ressources sending all their game data halfway across the fucking continent. This type of absurd decadence could be coming straight from a Douglas Adams novel.
Creating LAN hack may be illegal, but it is also an act of common sense.
People like you need to calm down. Yes, having LAN would be beneficial for us. But having LAN doesn't make sense for Blizzard. You can argue all you want - Blizzard has crunched the numbers and looked at a data and has realized that LAN would cost them more than it would gain them.
Not having LAN is a reasoned and researched position. There is nothing "absurd" about it. Just because you aren't happy with it does not make it an atrocity. You cannot blame Blizzard for doing what makes the most sense for them.
On August 15 2011 22:21 Logros wrote: Everyone has internet nowadays and it's not hard to set up anywhere so I never understood the big issue with no LAN.
guess you never watched any tournament with internet problems?
On August 15 2011 12:52 koonst wrote: not having lan evens the playing field for the little guys like myself i can practice witho ut worry that theres always gonig to be some lag . and i can access evens far away from my home town .. i am a poor man i cant aford to make trips to lan having lan will only exclude people like myself from alot of things. just my two cents.
So by that logic you should also hold world class sports events at run down school gyms. Also why do you get excluded from anything if dedicated lan tourneys are held on local servers, its not like you can remotely participate in a local lan event anyways.
It is absolutely grotesque that we live in a world where two people playing a computer game sitting next to each other have to waste massive ressources sending all their game data halfway across the fucking continent. This type of absurd decadence could be coming straight from a Douglas Adams novel.
Creating LAN hack may be illegal, but it is also an act of common sense.
People like you need to calm down. Yes, having LAN would be beneficial for us. But having LAN doesn't make sense for Blizzard. You can argue all you want - Blizzard has crunched the numbers and looked at a data and has realized that LAN would cost them more than it would gain them.
Not having LAN is a reasoned and researched position. There is nothing "absurd" about it. Just because you aren't happy with it does not make it an atrocity. You cannot blame Blizzard for doing what makes the most sense for them.
So you basically say its not idiotic practice to send local game data over half the world using up lots of bandwith because you assume that somebody at blizzard carefully researched that it is reasonable for blizzard.and therefore its must be a reasonable thing overall.
Guess with religiousness declining in the west, people just find new entities to put their blind faith in ...
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