• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:51
CEST 09:51
KST 16:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed17Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Who will win EWC 2025? The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion Soulkey Muta Micro Map? [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational 2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 635 users

Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 173

Forum Index > SC2 General
3573 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 171 172 173 174 175 179 Next
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
August 14 2011 00:15 GMT
#3441
Effen, nasl.tv has a contact page where they can resolve account issues like this. http://nasl.tv/Home/Contact

You're going off on a very far tangent here:
Thank God and gunrun.
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
August 14 2011 00:16 GMT
#3442
On August 14 2011 09:14 Petra37 wrote:
And at the time, to their knowledge, that was the truth. They did not intentionally mislead or lie to anybody. I'll even give you another example.

If you buy tickets to a music festival and a few bands pull out at the last minute due to not liking their stage placement or something, is it the venue or festival organizers fault? Did they lie? Were they deceptive? No. Same case here, NASL advertised what to their knowledge was true. You're wrong. End of story.

ANYway, who else is more interested in what JSy mentioned a few posts up about this statement from the Korean teams and SC2CON denying their involvement?


The festival will offer you a refend 99.9% of the time. The other .1% is when its a charity event so nobody cares since they can just write it off anyways....
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
August 14 2011 00:17 GMT
#3443
On August 14 2011 09:15 Primadog wrote:
Effen, nasl.tv has a contact page where they can resolve account issues like this. http://nasl.tv/Home/Contact

You're going off on a very far tangent here:


Not really a tagent, just wondering about my $$ I spent due to being told I will see those players I listed above. No offense to the replacement players, but there are 30 streams up now with players who have more talent than the ones who will come in :-\
binkman
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 00:19:50
August 14 2011 00:18 GMT
#3444
What if it was 40% of the bands playing at the festival? The 'best' 40%? But the promoters say "don't worry, we are replacing them with lots of 'great' local talent"?

Whether or not this is false advertising in any legal sense, offering refunds would definitely be the right thing for NASL to do in the circumstances.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
August 14 2011 00:19 GMT
#3445
That's fine. In my time chat-modding in season 1, I have yet to hear from anyone who requested a refund but was denied. They'll get you sorted.
Thank God and gunrun.
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
August 14 2011 00:20 GMT
#3446
On August 14 2011 09:18 binkman wrote:
What if it was 40% of the bands playing at the festival? The 'best' 40%? But the promoters say "don't worry, we are replacing them with lots of 'great' local talent"?

Whether or not this is false advertising in any legal sense, it would definitely be the right thing for NASL to do in the circumstances.


Thats all I'm asking for. Just OFFER a refund to each person who paid to see those Koreans play. We were told that by paying the $25 for the season pass we would be able to watch those games, and now we can't. I'm not saying simply give back all of the money to subscribers, just at least OFFER the OPTION to have a refund....
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 14 2011 00:20 GMT
#3447
On August 14 2011 09:17 Effen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 09:15 Primadog wrote:
Effen, nasl.tv has a contact page where they can resolve account issues like this. http://nasl.tv/Home/Contact

You're going off on a very far tangent here:


Not really a tagent, just wondering about my $$ I spent due to being told I will see those players I listed above. No offense to the replacement players, but there are 30 streams up now with players who have more talent than the ones who will come in :-\

The thing is that it is not false advertising. When they were advertising season 2 with the Koreans in the league, the Koreans were still in the league. Now if they continue to advertise season 2 with players who aren't in it, then it would be false advertising.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 00:22:26
August 14 2011 00:22 GMT
#3448
On August 14 2011 09:20 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 09:17 Effen wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:15 Primadog wrote:
Effen, nasl.tv has a contact page where they can resolve account issues like this. http://nasl.tv/Home/Contact

You're going off on a very far tangent here:


Not really a tagent, just wondering about my $$ I spent due to being told I will see those players I listed above. No offense to the replacement players, but there are 30 streams up now with players who have more talent than the ones who will come in :-\

The thing is that it is not false advertising. When they were advertising season 2 with the Koreans in the league, the Koreans were still in the league. Now if they continue to advertise season 2 with players who aren't in it, then it would be false advertising.


The names are still on the site, the player profiles are still there, and guess what, they are still selling season passes with that information present. Not a single mention of any of this ordeal anywhere on nasl.tv
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
August 14 2011 00:23 GMT
#3449
On August 14 2011 09:22 Effen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 09:20 jmbthirteen wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:17 Effen wrote:
On August 14 2011 09:15 Primadog wrote:
Effen, nasl.tv has a contact page where they can resolve account issues like this. http://nasl.tv/Home/Contact

You're going off on a very far tangent here:


Not really a tagent, just wondering about my $$ I spent due to being told I will see those players I listed above. No offense to the replacement players, but there are 30 streams up now with players who have more talent than the ones who will come in :-\

The thing is that it is not false advertising. When they were advertising season 2 with the Koreans in the league, the Koreans were still in the league. Now if they continue to advertise season 2 with players who aren't in it, then it would be false advertising.


The names are still on the site, the player profiles are still there, and guess what, they are still selling season passes with that information present. Not a single mention of any of this ordeal anywhere on nasl.tv


Yes but on the page with all the players names it doesn't say go buy a ticket because all of these players will be playing.
MiacroISBADK
Profile Joined February 2011
United States45 Posts
August 14 2011 00:24 GMT
#3450
They never update their site immediately, crying in this forum is going to get you no where so stop.
Effen
Profile Joined September 2010
227 Posts
August 14 2011 00:26 GMT
#3451
On August 14 2011 09:24 MiacroISBADK wrote:
They never update their site immediately, crying in this forum is going to get you no where so stop.


The only people crying are those replying to me without anything constructive to say, such as yourself.

I'm simply asking that they offer a refund...
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 14 2011 00:27 GMT
#3452
And other people are simply asking you to stop crying about it here cause this isn't the place for it. Its derailing the thread.
Best in the world at what I do
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 00:30:02
August 14 2011 00:29 GMT
#3453
But anyways, it is a shame to see that the Korean Teams are pulling out, I'm just wondering how the NASL will fill up the empty slots.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 14 2011 00:30 GMT
#3454
On August 14 2011 09:26 Effen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 09:24 MiacroISBADK wrote:
They never update their site immediately, crying in this forum is going to get you no where so stop.


The only people crying are those replying to me without anything constructive to say, such as yourself.

I'm simply asking that they offer a refund...

Umm your crying false advertising when there isn't false advertising.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
TDN3
Profile Joined August 2011
United States81 Posts
August 14 2011 00:36 GMT
#3455
lol. This is so unprofessional. Jumping out with a long essay basically saying the Koreans are the bad guys and NASL is the good guy, instead of stating "negotiation were failed and Koreans decided to not attend season 2" This is so immature by an organization.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 14 2011 00:38 GMT
#3456
On August 14 2011 03:42 Zeke50100 wrote:
Everybody who is saying the Koreans were being unreasonable have never tried to travel from Korea to the US, nor have they tried playing against NA players while in Korea.

I don't understand why Koreans are willing to compete for a 5k prizepool at MLG, and not a 50k one in NASL?
liftlift > tsm
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
August 14 2011 00:39 GMT
#3457
On August 14 2011 09:36 TDN3 wrote:
lol. This is so unprofessional. Jumping out with a long essay basically saying the Koreans are the bad guys and NASL is the good guy, instead of stating "negotiation were failed and Koreans decided to not attend season 2" This is so immature by an organization.


How is it immature? The Korean teams waited until the last moment to withdraw their players when the filming was already underway.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 14 2011 00:40 GMT
#3458
On August 14 2011 09:36 TDN3 wrote:
lol. This is so unprofessional. Jumping out with a long essay basically saying the Koreans are the bad guys and NASL is the good guy, instead of stating "negotiation were failed and Koreans decided to not attend season 2" This is so immature by an organization.
\

Again you are assuming that SC2Con is telling the truth, and plus even if they are, still doesn't change the fact that the teams played the qualifiers, signed contracts to play in season 2, THEN made their demands known and then 15 days after the (yes I'm gonna keep saying it like a broken record)
CONTRACTS were signed decided to pull out. Thats the crux of the whole argument for alot of people
Best in the world at what I do
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 00:48:11
August 14 2011 00:47 GMT
#3459
On August 14 2011 09:40 Slider954 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 09:36 TDN3 wrote:
lol. This is so unprofessional. Jumping out with a long essay basically saying the Koreans are the bad guys and NASL is the good guy, instead of stating "negotiation were failed and Koreans decided to not attend season 2" This is so immature by an organization.
\

Again you are assuming that SC2Con is telling the truth, and plus even if they are, still doesn't change the fact that the teams played the qualifiers, signed contracts to play in season 2, THEN made their demands known and then 15 days after the (yes I'm gonna keep saying it like a broken record)
CONTRACTS were signed decided to pull out. Thats the crux of the whole argument for alot of people

so wait, first you say "you assume x is telling the thruth".
Then your counter is blindly copying what the other side saids.
Don't you think that is very hypocritical thinking here?
HCastorp
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States388 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 00:49:59
August 14 2011 00:49 GMT
#3460
This situation is confusing as an esports fan. I want to support the NASL. I also want to support players trying to play in the best conditions, and having a viable career. The demands of the korean teams strike me as reasonable. But the way they broke their contracts is a really lame tactic, and it bothers me that there is really no way for them to be punished.

Ultimately, I think the part of this that hurts esports the most is the ignorance of already signed contracts. I feel like it is important to support NASL here, despite the problems with them as an organization.

The above is why your posts make me sad, Effen. I think it is reasonable to ask for a refund, but I also feel that doing so is in some way supporting the position of the korean teams, which, essentially, is that they are so important that no one would dare displease them.
Prev 1 171 172 173 174 175 179 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 9m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 282
StarCraft: Brood War
Backho 182
Dewaltoss 135
Soma 118
sorry 47
Barracks 44
ajuk12(nOOB) 29
Shine 12
Dota 2
ODPixel636
XcaliburYe403
Fuzer 129
League of Legends
JimRising 686
Super Smash Bros
Westballz25
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor146
Other Games
summit1g7265
SortOf95
Trikslyr27
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2735
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH283
• practicex 31
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2138
League of Legends
• Lourlo1626
• Stunt596
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
2h 9m
Epic.LAN
4h 9m
CSO Contender
9h 9m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
Online Event
1d 8h
Esports World Cup
3 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
4 days
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
Championship of Russia 2025
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.