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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
August 11 2011 23:32 GMT
#181
Dang this sucks... not NASL's fault though. Sounds like they worked really hard to try and get a deal done. Too bad it didn't work out
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#182
On August 12 2011 08:30 NASL.tv wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:26 Waxangel wrote:
Why is Mr.Chae the SC2Con's mouthpiece here o_O?

I think GomTV has a seat there as an advisory role, but I thought sc2con would take care of something this big by themselves =o


We can't speak to the reasons behind this, but we repeatedly sent emails directly to the Korean team managers, and only received official responses from Mr.Chae of the GSL -- who was incredibly helpful and we at the NASL are very thankful for his efforts <3


Typical Mr. Chae...being awesome even in crappy circumstances.
Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#183
This is completly undestandable from both sides.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#184
I just suddenly lost all remaining interest I had in the NASL...
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#185
On August 12 2011 08:28 NASL.tv wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:25 Mikilatov wrote:
If someone could please clarify: Are players on these teams which are a part of the players organization completely banned from participating, regardless of their own personal desires/wishes/sponsors?

Example: MC, who's trip could easily be funded by either himself or SK. Could he participate if he wants to, or is he within the grip of this organization's decision? This sounds like Kespa-level bullshit to me -_-


I don't know... the teams told me that they can't participate.

Thats even worse. I really hope MC, Nada and others who have foreign partnerships are still able to play.

This just makes it seem like Korea wants to be seperate unless we just give them free money and I'm not for that. I love Koreans in tournaments. But it just seems like such shit here.
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vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#186
are you going to privately give away the now open slots? Or hold a qualifier like last time?
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#187
Just like to ask so what happened with the Sk-oGs merger kinda thing?
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#188
Not only will the players be happy
I am happy as well.
Its NORTH AMERICAN starleague
not SKSL.
Now our american/european players will all have equal chances to actually win money
and make Pro-gaming in NA more attainable
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#189
On August 12 2011 08:32 Zaros wrote:
Bit odd that a big business rival to the NASL handles all negotiations between teams and the NASL. Seems suspicious to me.


Yeah. This is a problem.
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MASSivezTV
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States289 Posts
August 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#190
Yea it sucks that NASL will not have many koreans anymore, but on the other hand, look at the GSL.

It's mostly foreigners. Usually countries that host events would like to see their players win. Though in my opinion, foreigners should just become better.
Zhalad
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia231 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#191
Disapointing.

But I can see a lot of good reason why the Koreans are demanding so much

* Unreasonable play times (4 am) for their weekly league matches

* Lag issues between KR and NA servers

* Bad format - travel all the way to the US to play potentially one Bo3

* The fact that a Korean player was poached during the last finals (Puma) doesn't reflect to well on the league

* With the amount of Koreans who would of been in the tournament now - it would of likely ended up in a lot of them in the finals - and the teams having to cover this (which goes to the format issue - sending players to US for a Bo3).

* Players being fatigued / participation in the Korean leagues (GSL/GSTL) (even MC has been saying he felt like he is falling behind due to all the foreign events)

* GSL partnership with MLG (politics / agreed conditions for players participating / etc)


Bad luck for NASL and the viewers, but got to think about it from both sides here....
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#192
This sucks, for NASL and the viewers, and sadly i don't think NASL will be able to recover from this. It seems like its just going to be a worse version of IPL now.
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#193
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#194
I understand making a stand to protect your scene. In fact I think the Korean scene making some sort of a stand is going to be good for everyone in the long run.

However what is going on here with putting players into a qualifier, accepting invites, all with full knowledge of what NASL pays, and then threatening to last minute pull everyone out is just not acceptable behavior. Makes me very sad to see this organization used for these ends. I hope the Korean scene can come to re-think their actions and act differently in future situations.
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#195
On August 12 2011 08:33 Polskaa wrote:
Not only will the players be happy
I am happy as well.
Its NORTH AMERICAN starleague
not SKSL.
Now our american/european players will all have equal chances to actually win money
and make Pro-gaming in NA more attainable



lol and make the players strive less.. :|
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#196
On August 12 2011 08:25 xBillehx wrote:
Honestly I think there's more reasons for why they're not coming. Really bad hours, all last season of waiting up all night for no one to show up, get to the finals only to be out in 30 minutes and of course no one wants their players being sniped by other teams. Unfortunate but I kind of understand.


Ya I think the time zone and lag can be frustrating. NASL should try and do some arrangement w MLG and also GOM, Code S/Code A is an awesome prize.

Someone mentioned why fly all the way to potentially play one Bo3? That's exactly what happened to Boxer. The jet lag and inability to play at your best and damage personal and team reputation is not worth it. Then flying back and suffering the jet lag again and being tired from all the travelling will affect play in the local GSL.

There is simply not enough incentive to play in the NASL n bear w the lag (internet and jet), waking up @4/5am for matches, etc.
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#197
On August 12 2011 08:29 wklbishop wrote:
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On August 12 2011 08:24 CeriseCherries wrote:
-___- Seriously, 2000$ travel + prizes to be won, glory to be have, fame to bring home? There have been times I have been disappointed with NASL, but this isn't one of them. I really want to hear from the other side as well, because I would really really be angry if they decided that they would boycott an event to demonstrate that they should get full benefits for free. That would just be childish and not at all fair to all the other players flying in from Europe and other regions.

Ok and its kind of ass-like to tell them while they have a new season to start. They probably should have made an effort to you know, decide so that enough time so that NASL can get new qualifiers in. It even sounded like SC2Con didn't deliver its own news, but Mr. Chae did.

SlayerS isn't bound by SC2Con is it? That means if they hold another qualifier, then people like MMA and Alicia can attend? I mean especially with all these Koreans pulling out, if a Korean team could still participate, its players would have a tremendous abillity to join and win


I remember FXOBoss talking about how Choya was worried about where to get their next meal for his team which is actually a really good example because I don't think you can realistically expect Koreans to just come up with money to pay for their tickets unlike the foreign scene that just has WAY more money.

Besides, if you're probably not/barely going to break even, why bother considering how it messes up your sleep schedule and it requires extra preparation time when you can just focus on other things.

I have to echo this. Not all teams can just bust out cash to send several players to NA.
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VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
August 11 2011 23:34 GMT
#198
Terrible news. Is there an official statement from the Korean parties?
Scheme
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom210 Posts
August 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#199
On August 12 2011 08:30 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:25 Scheme wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:22 coddan wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:21 Scheme wrote:
People should stop pretending they can tell the in game subtleties between Korean players and high level foreigner players....you are watching the game not the name

Maybe you can't see the difference. Haha, try to say that to fans of any other competition or sport.


Maybe I can't...but Puma still in, so I'm happy to judge people from my high horse!
The point is that this won't be the death of NASL.!


You've seen how Koreans dominated foreigners badly in so many tournaments, and you can't see differences in play? Honestly, I don't mean to insult you in any way when I say that if you can't see the difference, you just don't really know enough about the game. It's understandable. I don't know crap about basketball, and I really can't tell the differences between play in the NBA or in just college basketball.



Plenty assumption on your post!! Let me clarify my point...even if there aren't Koreans involved they will be plenty of competitive and entertaining games played and I think most people wouldn't be able to distinguish if the games were NASL games or games played between Koreans!!
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
August 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#200
They could have been using Mr. Chae because his English is pretty decent, they might have wanted to use his help so they can negotiate as accurately as possible through the language barriers.
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