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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 11 2011 02:08 lunchforthesky wrote: LOL, just no. MKP will 3-0 no problem + Show Spoiler + clearly you didn't watch Code A earlier, Koreans own white dudes. Mana > Nada in Asembly ? Shit happens from time to time. | ||
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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LiteralZero
United Kingdom40 Posts
SO SICK! ^^ | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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MLQ10
Canada40 Posts
And yes, MKP will crush his group. Period. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
No but seriously, it's his first foreigner tournament, cheer for him as loud as you can!  | ||
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Titorelli
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 11 2011 04:53 MLQ10 wrote: It's nice to be optimistic about the foreigner chances in this tournament but the fanboys are quite annoying. Yes alot of these players are good in Europe but you can't take Stephano's or Sase's record to seriously due to the fact that alot of the hype comes from their online results against European competition. Have they won any major LAN event like a Dreamhack, IEM or MLG? LAN's are completely different since foreigners have not proved themselves and there's been plenty of opportunities (MLG, Dreamhack, IEM finals, NASL etc etc). As of now the fanboys need to halt their urges of hypeing X European or foreigner players until the foreigners start proving themselves. As of right now it is almost common sense to believe Koreans will dominate IEM Cologne especially with strong invitees. And yes, MKP will crush his group. Period. And with last sentence you show the same thing you dislike in your first paragraph. Yes, he has pretty big chance of crushing that group. But it is definitely not certain. Especially MKP, he has this strange lows in his play sometimes, and if Mana plays as well as he does lately and MKP slips, there might be upset. It is not like there were no upsets against Koreans ever, especially after travelling far. See the quoted Mana vs Nada series, if Nada played like today he would have in my opinion won, but he did not, same can happen to MKP. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On August 11 2011 04:53 MLQ10 wrote: It's nice to be optimistic about the foreigner chances in this tournament but the fanboys are quite annoying. Yes alot of these players are good in Europe but you can't take Stephano's or Sase's record to seriously due to the fact that alot of the hype comes from their online results against European competition. Have they won any major LAN event like a Dreamhack, IEM or MLG? LAN's are completely different since foreigners have not proved themselves and there's been plenty of opportunities (MLG, Dreamhack, IEM finals, NASL etc etc). As of now the fanboys need to halt their urges of hypeing X European or foreigner players until the foreigners start proving themselves. As of right now it is almost common sense to believe Koreans will dominate IEM Cologne especially with strong invitees. And yes, MKP will crush his group. Period. Mana got second at both Assembly and DH winter and beat players such as Huk and Nada at Assembly. Lost to Dimaga in the finals which is no shame considering that PvZ is his worst matchup. Sase got second at Chinese Pro League and crushed his group at DH Summer (5-0) consisting of Idra, Grubby, Merz, Naama and Kas. Lost to Sen tho in the Ro16 which is no shame considering that PvZ is his worst matchup. That's not LAN results enough? If you don't follow anything else than MLG you should really not try to talk about the EU scene. | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
I do want to see the control of MKP against some of these top EU tosses | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
The first tier is his cheese and all in play. MKP has the best micro in the world, and the best Terran all inner. He cheeses a lot in the Korean ladder and dominates it. If you cannot defeat his all in play, you do not deserve a macro game from him. This was shown evidently by his match against SaSe, where he cheesed 3 games in a row because SaSe could not deal with it. Notice players like HuK have defeated his dreaded 3 rax, and so in the future, I bet MKP won't try and all in Huk. Unfortunately, after watching many of his games in the NASL qualifiers and random online tournaments, it just seems that very few can defeat his all in play and so do not deserve a macro game as they are wasting his time. | ||
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excel305
18 Posts
On August 11 2011 05:04 oskarla wrote: Mana got second at both Assembly and DH winter and beat players such as Huk and Nada at Assembly. Lost to Dimaga in the finals which is no shame considering that PvZ is his worst matchup. Sase got second at CPL and crushed his group at DH Summer (5-0) consisting of Idra, Grubby, Merz, Naama and Kas. Lost to Sen tho in the Ro16 which is no shame considering that PvZ is his worst matchup. That's not LAN results enough? If you don't follow anything else than MLG you should really not try to talk about the EU scene. He is talking about Stephano and Sase, and you mention Mana. Well, Mana beat Huk, but it was PvP and PvP is very volatile, look at Naniwa, Huk and MC, they've been beating each other. But MC and Huk are still slightly ahead Naniwa when it comes to PvZ. Also Mana beat Nada, but this time his opponent is MKP, and MKP is better than Nada. About Sase, plz dont list a bunch of EU names and Idra, when his opponent is MKP. (*cough* MVPSniper *cough*) | ||
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kratos-23
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On August 11 2011 05:27 excel305 wrote: He is talking about Stephano and Sase, and you mention Mana. Well, Mana beat Huk, but it was PvP and PvP is very volatile, look at Naniwa, Huk and MC, they've been beating each other. But MC and Huk are still slightly ahead Naniwa when it comes to PvZ. Also Mana beat Nada, but this time his opponent is MKP, and MKP is better than Nada. About Sase, plz dont list a bunch of EU names and Idra, when his opponent is MKP. (*cough* MVPSniper *cough*) Stephano is the best player in Europe in ZvT, MaNa is sick good PvT and PvT is also SaSe's best matchup, he got the hardest group and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets knocked out. | ||
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hyuu
163 Posts
On August 11 2011 03:59 Contagious wrote: Group A Empire.Kas Beastyqt IdrA PuMa Group B Socke DieStar SeleCT Killer Group C Tarson Nerchio mOOnGLaDe HuK Group D Stephano MYMSaSe MaNa MarineKing hmmmm I think advancing. I agree except for idra and stephano. They will pass for sure | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On August 11 2011 05:27 excel305 wrote: He is talking about Stephano and Sase, and you mention Mana. Well, Mana beat Huk, but it was PvP and PvP is very volatile, look at Naniwa, Huk and MC, they've been beating each other. But MC and Huk are still slightly ahead Naniwa when it comes to PvZ. Also Mana beat Nada, but this time his opponent is MKP, and MKP is better than Nada. About Sase, plz dont list a bunch of EU names and Idra, when his opponent is MKP. (*cough* MVPSniper *cough*) Don't people realize that it's different playing a Zerg and a Terran? Some players are better at certain matchups so you can't say that because he lost to Sniper he can't beat MKP because MKP would beat Sniper. That's not how it works. Also I'm not so sure MKP is better than Nada. The last time they met Nada won and Nada is the most consistent SC2 progamer really while MKP is currently in Code A. | ||
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