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freaky]ftb
Profile Joined June 2011
12 Posts
August 28 2011 00:12 GMT
#261
Haven't found a right place to post my nooby questions so I'm just asking here!
(I play Protoss)

(1) I feel very uncomfortable if I play against a zerg having in mind that I want to open with a 1 gate expand (and transition into 3 gate robo most likely trying to execute a 2 base collosi timing push) and my zerg opponent starts with a 15 hatch. I always have in mind that I should punish this greedy action but I don't know why because I have not enough units and production buildings to really push while he gets out 10 zerglings in one wave. So what to do against that..
I have generally problems with keeping a zerg busy and from droning up and just attack for example with a tiny push in the beginning. if I expand he always gets roaches before my push(and I'm damn afraid of roaches...)
And yeah what I need is how to punish 15 hatch if I want to expand myself and how to execute those tiny pushes in the beginning that do so much damage..

(2) How should I defend a blind Protoss expansion (he doesn't know what I am doing) when he spends a lot of his first minerals in sentrys to have a lot force fields for defense? if I wait for my observer they sometimes already have the expansion finished when my observer reaches their base.

Thanks for any tips
Zambozo
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
August 28 2011 00:40 GMT
#262
On August 28 2011 07:57 HardBoy359 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 02:45 Zambozo wrote:
How do you cope with losing? For those who do not understand what i mean :
When I play ladder and i get cheese few times in a roll I am just pissed I go in nerd rage and i just hate the game(in this moment ONLY). I am very competev. I play terran and when it happen to win a game with tactic and timing and everything go good for me. I just get called names and that i play th OP race and i will not get a win if i was not playing as T. That just make me sick inside. When i lose a game (not a cheese play) i will always admit the gg and wp. No matter what. When I lose 4-5 games in a roll (yes i do that!) I hate it !!! But re watch the replay and trying to find out what i did wrong.But with the cheese just i want to find that person and to smack him in the face hard(few times).
What do you think and what you do when y are in a bad mode and how do you get out of it.
P.S. I love the game and i do not think to stop it for nothing right now. GL and HF !


Well I usually don't really mind loosing if I played well in that game, it makes me really sick when people cheese me -.-

T is not OP! I think that you should take all those insults as complements, you played so much better than the opponent that you made your race seam op :D

But loosing makes me tilt a lot, when you loose and you want to rush to another game or you feel really fucking disapointed and angry at yourself just calm tha f*ck down, play other games, LoL will keep you mouse hand warm, and wow or other hotkey based MMO will keep your fingers ready, and then when it passes you can go back to SC2 :D

I had a huge streak of losses, I was 7th silver, and then I started loosing and loosing and then I go injured in my mouse hand and I still played because I wanted to get top 7 again and then I stoped and now I have't played for a month.

I decided that I need to rest and define my BOs and openings and then begin to train them, after MLG I should begin playing again and I intent to get to gold :D

Hope it helps ^^

YEaa mate thank you. I hope you get gold asap afther this mlg i told to my self if i lose or win I will just have fun gl and hf
Zambozo
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
August 28 2011 00:51 GMT
#263
On August 28 2011 09:12 freaky]ftb wrote:
Haven't found a right place to post my nooby questions so I'm just asking here!
(I play Protoss)

(1) I feel very uncomfortable if I play against a zerg having in mind that I want to open with a 1 gate expand (and transition into 3 gate robo most likely trying to execute a 2 base collosi timing push) and my zerg opponent starts with a 15 hatch. I always have in mind that I should punish this greedy action but I don't know why because I have not enough units and production buildings to really push while he gets out 10 zerglings in one wave. So what to do against that..
I have generally problems with keeping a zerg busy and from droning up and just attack for example with a tiny push in the beginning. if I expand he always gets roaches before my push(and I'm damn afraid of roaches...)
And yeah what I need is how to punish 15 hatch if I want to expand myself and how to execute those tiny pushes in the beginning that do so much damage..

(2) How should I defend a blind Protoss expansion (he doesn't know what I am doing) when he spends a lot of his first minerals in sentrys to have a lot force fields for defense? if I wait for my observer they sometimes already have the expansion finished when my observer reaches their base.

Thanks for any tips

Hello mate. I play terran but I think i can help you with part of your questions
I see a lot of tosses to get the early stargate and go 3-4 fenix with a void ray. and it works a lot but it is very micro build. And during the harrasment you can expand.
To make zerg to turn larva into attacking units i personally just move out like i want to attack him and make sure he see my army moving and once i am in front of him i back up. Also you can look up into DT teck( not opening but mid game or late game). And afther 1.4 patch the warp prison will be buffed so that could help you a lot. I do not know how toss is punishing 15 hatch i can't help there.
2) Hard to say for me but. I watched a games of Pro players where they go sentary heavy for the force fields. Once up to a X number of those they expand but you may want to check protoss forum in general and Youtube vids
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 28 2011 01:29 GMT
#264
freaky]ftb Simple Questions Simple Answers.

It's right at the top of sc2 strategy forum
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
HardBoy359
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Portugal48 Posts
August 28 2011 01:38 GMT
#265
On August 28 2011 09:40 Zambozo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 07:57 HardBoy359 wrote:
On August 28 2011 02:45 Zambozo wrote:
How do you cope with losing? For those who do not understand what i mean :
When I play ladder and i get cheese few times in a roll I am just pissed I go in nerd rage and i just hate the game(in this moment ONLY). I am very competev. I play terran and when it happen to win a game with tactic and timing and everything go good for me. I just get called names and that i play th OP race and i will not get a win if i was not playing as T. That just make me sick inside. When i lose a game (not a cheese play) i will always admit the gg and wp. No matter what. When I lose 4-5 games in a roll (yes i do that!) I hate it !!! But re watch the replay and trying to find out what i did wrong.But with the cheese just i want to find that person and to smack him in the face hard(few times).
What do you think and what you do when y are in a bad mode and how do you get out of it.
P.S. I love the game and i do not think to stop it for nothing right now. GL and HF !


Well I usually don't really mind loosing if I played well in that game, it makes me really sick when people cheese me -.-

T is not OP! I think that you should take all those insults as complements, you played so much better than the opponent that you made your race seam op :D

But loosing makes me tilt a lot, when you loose and you want to rush to another game or you feel really fucking disapointed and angry at yourself just calm tha f*ck down, play other games, LoL will keep you mouse hand warm, and wow or other hotkey based MMO will keep your fingers ready, and then when it passes you can go back to SC2 :D

I had a huge streak of losses, I was 7th silver, and then I started loosing and loosing and then I go injured in my mouse hand and I still played because I wanted to get top 7 again and then I stoped and now I have't played for a month.

I decided that I need to rest and define my BOs and openings and then begin to train them, after MLG I should begin playing again and I intent to get to gold :D

Hope it helps ^^

YEaa mate thank you. I hope you get gold asap afther this mlg i told to my self if i lose or win I will just have fun gl and hf


More GG more skill :D
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 07:18:17
August 28 2011 07:15 GMT
#266
Édit: sry wrong section!
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Neste
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland23 Posts
August 28 2011 18:39 GMT
#267
On August 22 2011 05:05 BuGGeaD wrote:
how the hell u beat a terran with a big bio ball with ghost (emp).

im toss.


Storms and feedbacks
Pillage
Profile Joined July 2011
United States804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 20:23:23
August 28 2011 20:23 GMT
#268
Haven't found a right place to post my nooby questions so I'm just asking here!
(I play Protoss)

(1) I feel very uncomfortable if I play against a zerg having in mind that I want to open with a 1 gate expand (and transition into 3 gate robo most likely trying to execute a 2 base collosi timing push) and my zerg opponent starts with a 15 hatch. I always have in mind that I should punish this greedy action but I don't know why because I have not enough units and production buildings to really push while he gets out 10 zerglings in one wave. So what to do against that..
I have generally problems with keeping a zerg busy and from droning up and just attack for example with a tiny push in the beginning. if I expand he always gets roaches before my push(and I'm damn afraid of roaches...)
And yeah what I need is how to punish 15 hatch if I want to expand myself and how to execute those tiny pushes in the beginning that do so much damage..

(2) How should I defend a blind Protoss expansion (he doesn't know what I am doing) when he spends a lot of his first minerals in sentrys to have a lot force fields for defense? if I wait for my observer they sometimes already have the expansion finished when my observer reaches their base.

Thanks for any tips


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251528

Lots of good responses in here from very good protoss players. Fire away with any reasonable questions.
"Power has no limits." -Tiberius
Mcdank79
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
7 Posts
August 28 2011 20:55 GMT
#269
Hey I've been playing starcraft some and starcraft 2 a decent amount. I just started getting into sc2 and my buddy is a top diamond league player but is too dumb to teach me good techniques. I usually play protoss decently. Does anyone have any tips on what builds would be best for me to become a decent 1v1 player. Also any ideas for 3v3??
Mcdank79
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
7 Posts
August 28 2011 21:12 GMT
#270
i just followed the link above and posted in there thanks for the help
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 28 2011 21:35 GMT
#271
Does anyone know when 1.4.0 will come live? Around in how many weeks or so, any clues?
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
ectonym
Profile Joined July 2010
United States147 Posts
August 28 2011 22:25 GMT
#272
I am in a league division with only 3 people. Seriously, there are 100 spots for other people, but there are only 3 including myself in my division. I feel like I should either lose a bunch of games to be demoted then win a bunch of games to be put in another division OR just shut up and be happy. I am number 2 in my division. #3 has 11 wins. #1 has 130 wins. I have 50~ wins. I feel like if I stay in the division, I'll never be promoted. Is this how this works?

What do?
I cannot be what I am so I become money, quarter by quarter, and live as long as I can live. "Why I Play Video Games," by Tony Barnstone. check out my design website, ectonym.com
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
August 28 2011 22:41 GMT
#273
On August 29 2011 07:25 ectonym wrote:
I am in a league division with only 3 people. Seriously, there are 100 spots for other people, but there are only 3 including myself in my division. I feel like I should either lose a bunch of games to be demoted then win a bunch of games to be put in another division OR just shut up and be happy. I am number 2 in my division. #3 has 11 wins. #1 has 130 wins. I have 50~ wins. I feel like if I stay in the division, I'll never be promoted. Is this how this works?

What do?


Your division should fill up as other people get promoted or demoted, unless there's some problem with the ladder, but typically it's just a result of it being a new division. To answer your more wider question though, no you don't need to get yourself demoted. You will play people from other divisions at around your MMR that are laddering at the same time as you, and the division only exists so you can compare yourself and compete to be the top of your division but it has no impact on anything really until you're rank 1 GM.

You don't need to be any specific rank to be promoted, so even if it's only the 3 of you you're promotion prospects remain the same. If you work on winning games your hidden Match Making Rating will increase and once that hidden value reaches a high enough level you'll be promoted regardless of your current rank. I was, for instance, not even in the top 10 when I last got promoted.

For a more in depth analysis of how laddering works if you're interested see this thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
August 28 2011 22:54 GMT
#274
On August 29 2011 06:35 eYeball wrote:
Does anyone know when 1.4.0 will come live? Around in how many weeks or so, any clues?


No one knows, but I'd bet September 13th.
LantisPlay
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Singapore53 Posts
August 29 2011 01:15 GMT
#275
Sorry for being random right here, but is the server for Battle.net down in SEA? Can't seem to access their website too. :\
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 29 2011 02:01 GMT
#276
There's a thread in SC2 Forum that tells you. Right below this one.
BNet Status, US: Online, EU: Online, KR: Online, SEA: Online
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
August 29 2011 08:40 GMT
#277
Anyone know what ever happened to Masterasia? The zerg player.
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
August 29 2011 08:42 GMT
#278
Something just hit me the other day, why do you need an infestation pit to upgrade to Hive?
It just seems an incredible random choise. Why not a Spire, Hydra den or an infestation pit in order to upgrade to Hive?
We know nothing.
Xarayezona
Profile Joined August 2011
United States72 Posts
August 29 2011 08:54 GMT
#279
I guess they're just trying to keep with what they had in Brood War, where a Queen's Nest was required for Hive tech. And since the Brood War Queen performed the same role as the Infesetor except worse, Infestation Pit is required for Hive.


Also, since I can't create threads yet, does anyone know what Blizzard's NA Starcraft II servers' IP addresses are?
So I can do stuff like try to ping them? So that when I disconnect, I can figure out what the problem is?


I swear one of these days I'm going to just get my own personal router, these disruptions are ridiculous.
BushidoSnipr
Profile Joined November 2010
United States910 Posts
August 29 2011 13:58 GMT
#280
Can anyone suggest good ZvZ builds for me? I always have problems early game when they can pump speedlings and I can't.
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