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Noremack.cm
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia91 Posts
August 30 2011 12:18 GMT
#1101
This thread isn't constructive at all... Really disappointed that a Mod hasn't stepped in and put a stop to it. People get banned for much less shit talking then the trash I see posted here.
CarlaBruni
Profile Joined August 2011
61 Posts
August 30 2011 12:20 GMT
#1102
moletrap is not that bad tbh, i mean he is extremly bad in terms of having a clue of whats going on and tend to say thing that are inaccurate but overall he speaks pretty well english me thinks
Glexarn
Profile Joined December 2010
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 12:42:29
August 30 2011 12:41 GMT
#1103
Marttorn, you go on and on and on about entitlement and entitled people as if feeling entitled to something you pay for is a bad thing.

entitlement:
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/entitlement?region=us
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement
pay:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pay
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/pay?region=us

You use the word "entitlement" so negatively and so commonly in that negative light that you are obviously attempting to attach a wrongness to it. Yet, if someone feels an entitlement to a good/better product when they have paid (made payments for) for the product/service via subscription, are they not justified as a customer to feel entitled to a satisfactory product/service?

If I go to a barbershop and pay the barber for a service (cutting my hair), I would feel entitled to a good haircut in exchange for the payment of money given. Is that wrong?
"I am greatful for the sharpest criticism, as long as it is factual." -Otto von Bismarck
Match
Profile Joined January 2011
215 Posts
August 30 2011 12:44 GMT
#1104
On August 30 2011 21:20 CarlaBruni wrote:
moletrap is not that bad tbh, i mean he is extremly bad in terms of having a clue of whats going on and tend to say thing that are inaccurate but overall he speaks pretty well english me thinks

Sadly having a clue of what's going on and knowing wtf you're talking about are the most important qualities a caster should have. No one's really arguing about his ability to speak English.
eburnsdaniel
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 13:17:30
August 30 2011 13:16 GMT
#1105
Marttorn I do not understand your reasoning. The point you seem to be making ("that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it") is so trivial that it doesnt even need to be stated. Not one person has said that because they pay for a season ticket, gomtv should be legally obligated to change the casters, that is not what this thread has been about from the start, people arent attempting a coup. Just because someone doesn't own something or have legal rights over it does not mean they aren't entitled to criticise it. The McDonalds example doesnt work at all because no one is suggesting that if they dont like a happy meal, then McDonalds should have to change the menu. They may think they SHOULD change the menu but so what? Thats theiropinion.
features
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ireland160 Posts
August 30 2011 13:43 GMT
#1106
This thread is absolutely full of hateful douchebags, jumping on the hate wagon.

Theres actually very little wrong with Moletrap if you accept him for what he is, a play by play caster. He is not there for you, hes not an analyst, like Tasteless his commentating style leans towards the casual, to help expand the viewer base beyond the hardcore.

Also Moletrap has improved to the point were half your ignorant complaints aren't even valid anymore. He initially had a problem with talking over his co-caster probably due to inexperience with GOMs setup and his own long term status as a youtube solo caster.

So what are you left with? His voice? That is an absolutely unreasonable complaint especially when its not actually something he can do much about. I find it funny that a bunch of nerds are complaining about a high pitched voice when many of you probably have the same problem, with your inhalers and ear medicines. :p

Lets put it this way, what if we had a female caster, how would you angry haters handle that? I honestly believe this voice issue is just something those unreasonable enough to object to have to deal with in your own time, and something GOM shouldnt pay any respect to.

At the end of the day all this hate comes down to is intolerance to different accents and tones of voice, its actually very shameful......
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ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
August 30 2011 13:46 GMT
#1107
Congratz Moletrap

nice and cool cast , keep up the good work !
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esReveR
Profile Joined February 2010
United States568 Posts
August 30 2011 13:58 GMT
#1108
On August 30 2011 22:43 features wrote:
This thread is absolutely full of hateful douchebags, jumping on the hate wagon.

Theres actually very little wrong with Moletrap if you accept him for what he is, a play by play caster. He is not there for you, hes not an analyst, like Tasteless his commentating style leans towards the casual, to help expand the viewer base beyond the hardcore.


Have you been watching GSL? Every night he says stuff either blatently wrong, or completely misses the point of what his co-caster is talking about and replies with something that leaves his partner speechless for a few seconds. To be fair, there are very few out there whom are better at casting, and I certainly couldn't do any better myself. However, people are being overly critical because they are used to casters such as Tastosis and Day[9], whom are simply on another level. Perhaps he just needs time to get his craft perfected?
Skill is relative.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 30 2011 14:06 GMT
#1109
Moletrap and DoA don't really work well together, in my opinion. Both are play-by-play casters and DoAs jokes aren't understood by Moletrap. Neither of them know the game too deeply so we don't get the expert analysis at times. It might be worth consideration to make the pairs a bit different in my opinion.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
features
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ireland160 Posts
August 30 2011 14:18 GMT
#1110
I actually really like DOA trap these days.

DOAs getting better at the jokes (gradually lol) and Moletrap the hard worker he is, will probably start watching alot more TV to get half these references.

Cant blame Moletrap for that either, its hardly original humour, quoting TV shows is just about the lowest form of comedy there is lol, completely reliant on whether you've watched and somehow picked up the quotes word for word.

Personally memory isn't my strongest trait, so taking part in this kind of banter can be tricky. Its actually a little goofy of DOA to expect Moletrap to know all these saying without prior warning.
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ilikeLIONZ
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany427 Posts
August 30 2011 14:29 GMT
#1111
On August 30 2011 23:18 features wrote:

Personally memory isn't my strongest trait, so taking part in this kind of banter can be tricky. Its actually a little goofy of DOA to expect Moletrap to know all these saying without prior warning.


i think DOA casts for the viewers, and not for moletrap..

really disliked Moletrap's cast today, he calls so many things wrong and states simply false comments about ingame situations!
features
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ireland160 Posts
August 30 2011 14:32 GMT
#1112
I never understood why people get angry about casters predicting the wrong outcome, do you guys expect or even want your casters to be clairvoyant lol
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 14:35:43
August 30 2011 14:35 GMT
#1113
On August 30 2011 23:32 features wrote:
I never understood why people get angry about casters predicting the wrong outcome, do you guys expect or even want your casters to be clairvoyant lol

When I myself can predict something correctly despite not having played the game seriously for half a year and recently being dropped into diamond league... it makes the cast seem redundant you know. I wouldn't want to watch ice hockey if the person didn't know much about the game or coaching decisions, it's half the enjoyment
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
features
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ireland160 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 14:41:46
August 30 2011 14:41 GMT
#1114
I find Tasteless and Artosis get it wrong the most often and they are the best thing to ever happen to pro gaming. I just think its part of the fun, gives me a little sense of superiority when I noticed something the casters didn't.

Also the casters don't necessarily have the same view as we do, Id imagine they spend most of their time watching their own spectator screen ingame rather than the GOM live feed, so obviously they can miss things we see.
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Zuxo
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden395 Posts
August 30 2011 15:30 GMT
#1115
On August 30 2011 23:41 features wrote:
I find Tasteless and Artosis get it wrong the most often and they are the best thing to ever happen to pro gaming. I just think its part of the fun, gives me a little sense of superiority when I noticed something the casters didn't.

Also the casters don't necessarily have the same view as we do, Id imagine they spend most of their time watching their own spectator screen ingame rather than the GOM live feed, so obviously they can miss things we see.


The thing is Tastosis give a logical prediction of what can happen, Moletrap doesn't. That is the reason why some people don't want him casting since it can be really frustrating listening to a illogical prediction when you, yourself, know that it is an implausible prediction.
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Frequencyy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States344 Posts
August 30 2011 15:36 GMT
#1116
nice to hear they're very good casters all of them. Tastetosis need the breaks too.
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oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-30 15:52:08
August 30 2011 15:51 GMT
#1117
On August 30 2011 23:32 features wrote:
I never understood why people get angry about casters predicting the wrong outcome, do you guys expect or even want your casters to be clairvoyant lol


The stuff he (among other current/previous code A casters) says are so obviously wrong to anyone with half a clue about the game (low NA Masters) that it's ridiculous. One specific example is hearing that since the T hadn't gotten gas they were going to go for gasless expand... except the T was at 12 and promptly went normal 13 gas. That's beyond basic. That's not even low NA Masters, that's something my bronze league (equivalent) friend who I used to play vs AI with knows.
IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
August 30 2011 16:06 GMT
#1118
On August 30 2011 22:43 features wrote:
This thread is absolutely full of hateful douchebags, jumping on the hate wagon.


So what are you left with? His voice? That is an absolutely unreasonable complaint especially when its not actually something he can do much about. I find it funny that a bunch of nerds are complaining about a high pitched voice when many of you probably have the same problem, with your inhalers and ear medicines. :p


Talking of hateful douchebags, way to stereotype there bro. You're on this site, do you fall under that (ridiculous) stereotype? If not, why assume others do? I know plenty of athletic "jock" type people who are asthmatic, and plenty of "nerds" who don't come CLOSE to the stereotype that you portrayed. The only thing I can assume is YOU have a whiney high pitch voice with an inhaler and ear medicine if that's how you somehow came to the conclusion that everyone on the internet must be like that too.


Lets put it this way, what if we had a female caster, how would you angry haters handle that? I honestly believe this voice issue is just something those unreasonable enough to object to have to deal with in your own time, and something GOM shouldnt pay any respect to.

We HAD a female caster, the outcry of how terrible people felt she was was FAR and above that of moletrap.

Do you really think it's unreasonable for people to have legitimate criticisms of a caster's knowledge, personality, and voice?

MOST of the criticisms of him in this thread are perfectly reasonable "his voice irritates the crap out of me", "he really doesn't know much about the game" etc are blunt, but fine.

"OMG I HATE HIM SCREW YOU GOM" is obviously unreasonable, but it's NOT unreasonable to give feedback on a product that is paid for.
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
AdriftSC
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden66 Posts
August 30 2011 16:12 GMT
#1119
On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:
On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:
On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:
On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:
On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost.


Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please...
lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster.



You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality.

Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer.

And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet.

So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit.


Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think.


Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly.



acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide.

My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food.

I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch.

Deal?


You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product.

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You're a fucking idiot


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ChoboFreek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada83 Posts
August 30 2011 16:14 GMT
#1120
On August 30 2011 22:43 features wrote:
So what are you left with? His voice? That is an absolutely unreasonable complaint especially when its not actually something he can do much about. I find it funny that a bunch of nerds are complaining about a high pitched voice when many of you probably have the same problem, with your inhalers and ear medicines. :p


Really? Someone having an annoying voice that obviously a lot of people, including myself, cannot stand, is not something to complain about when all a caster does is talk?
If he knew what he was talking about, then maybe it would be a little bit justified.

Yeah he can't do anything about his terrible voice, that just means they shouldn't use him.

Being a play by play caster is the easiest thing to do, so it's not like they can't find someone to replace him.
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