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On August 30 2011 19:43 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:40 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:33 Bayyne wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Do I really need to point out why this is terrible reasoning? The GSL fields the best players in the world. People have a lot of valid complaints about moletrap's casting. What's more infuriating is he hasn't shown that much improvement in several months of being away. There are better choices out there, yet GOM keeps inviting someone who is widely criticized. Here's an idea, why don't YOU just 'fucking deal' with the fact that people have valid criticisms, and it isn't really your place to tell them to not complain or voice their opinion. Says the guy who sends me an angry PM telling me essentially to "stop liking Moletrap". Oh the irony..... ...Ok, let me go quote your posts and make you look silly. On August 30 2011 18:36 AdriftSC wrote:
Moletrap is a bad caster in my opinion. On August 30 2011 18:38 Bayyne wrote:
Moletrap is a good caster in my opinion. On August 30 2011 18:39 Carny wrote:
Moletrap is really a pain in the ass to listen to. And they let him cast Code S... On August 30 2011 18:40 Bayyne wrote:
Moletrap is a real treat to listen to. And I'm glad they let him cast Code S... You just keep posting after people basically insinuating they're not allowed to dislike him. Do you understand what irony actually is? I'm not insinuating anything there pal. I truly believe in my opinions of Moletrap and I am totally fine with people criticizing him. You can have your opinions, and I can have mine. Yes, I understand what irony actually is. Do you?
Ok this argument is stupid. You thought I insinuated something that I wasn't, and I think you insinuated something you claim not to have. We can go round and round all day but I'd rather not waste my time with someone obviously copy/pasting someone's words and then saying the opposite of them, clearly counter-acting their opinion (TWO EXAMPLES).
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On August 30 2011 19:53 acrimoneyius wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:43 Bayyne wrote:On August 30 2011 19:40 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:33 Bayyne wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Do I really need to point out why this is terrible reasoning? The GSL fields the best players in the world. People have a lot of valid complaints about moletrap's casting. What's more infuriating is he hasn't shown that much improvement in several months of being away. There are better choices out there, yet GOM keeps inviting someone who is widely criticized. Here's an idea, why don't YOU just 'fucking deal' with the fact that people have valid criticisms, and it isn't really your place to tell them to not complain or voice their opinion. Says the guy who sends me an angry PM telling me essentially to "stop liking Moletrap". Oh the irony..... ...Ok, let me go quote your posts and make you look silly. On August 30 2011 18:36 AdriftSC wrote:
Moletrap is a bad caster in my opinion. On August 30 2011 18:38 Bayyne wrote:
Moletrap is a good caster in my opinion. On August 30 2011 18:39 Carny wrote:
Moletrap is really a pain in the ass to listen to. And they let him cast Code S... On August 30 2011 18:40 Bayyne wrote:
Moletrap is a real treat to listen to. And I'm glad they let him cast Code S... You just keep posting after people basically insinuating they're not allowed to dislike him. Do you understand what irony actually is? I'm not insinuating anything there pal. I truly believe in my opinions of Moletrap and I am totally fine with people criticizing him. You can have your opinions, and I can have mine. Yes, I understand what irony actually is. Do you? Ok this argument is stupid. You thought I insinuated something that I wasn't, and I think you insinuated something you claim not to have. We can go round and round all day but I'd rather not waste my time with someone obviously copy/pasting someone's words and then saying the opposite of them, clearly counter-acting their opinion (TWO EXAMPLES).
So now my argument is just stupid. I appreciate the civility you have there. It does indeed seem you are truly an angry person. We definitely need more of that here at TL.
Back on the topic of the thread: Moletrap, keep up the fine work there!
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On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson
Tbf, if customers (paying or non-paying) do not provide constructive feedback, then a company does not know how the consumers are responding to their product. That's why customer service is the #1 priority for most companies. I think GOM cares quite a bit. Just look at their forums here: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=201732&cid=0&kind=1
Also, on the McDonalds happy meal topic - If enough customers are complaining about something don't you think upper management/corporate will change something? You're right, one customer doesn't call the shots, but collectively we can make an impact.
PS - Do you vote? Or does your one vote not matter enough to make a difference?
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This thread is currently the most quoted defense that Moletrap has good casting.
I don't want to be hater, I'm giving my reasons why I don't like his casting:
1.) Too high pitched voice and when he gets excited it's not pleasent for me to hear it.
2.) Goes off-topic too much and for too long and it's not funny.
3.) Interrupts his co-caster way too much and most of the time he says exactly the same thing his co-caster is saying.
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He is a horrid caster, I dont want him to lose his job but Im not gonna pretend like I dont cringe every time I hear him casting code A, he is just not good. And what does having an opinion have to do with how much you paid or if you paid at all for a product? WTF...
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On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:
Has this officially become the "whine about every GSL caster except Tastosis like a little bitch" thread? Seems so. Jeez, calm the fuck down and appreciate the fact that you get to see the worlds best SC2 for free (or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. I also hate it when people act as if their paying to watch it means they have the "right" to a caster they personally enjoy. Shut the fuck up, please, what are you, WoW players?)
Ok...
think...
Lets say you have a mate who has never seen sc2/E-Sports before and you want to show him some GSL matches.
If the first thing your friend see's is 2 people being awkward, that's not the best way to introduce someone to something new.
And people do bitch about way too much but there is a reason this thread is here.
Where is the " I FUCKING HATE WOLF' threads on reddit or TL? There are none because he's an awesome caster.
And with your logic you don't want the best casters, you want whatever gom gives you. (even if its shit?????)
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On August 30 2011 20:10 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:
Has this officially become the "whine about every GSL caster except Tastosis like a little bitch" thread? Seems so. Jeez, calm the fuck down and appreciate the fact that you get to see the worlds best SC2 for free (or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. I also hate it when people act as if their paying to watch it means they have the "right" to a caster they personally enjoy. Shut the fuck up, please, what are you, WoW players?) Ok... think... Lets say you have a mate who has never seen sc2/E-Sports before and you want to show him some GSL matches. If the first thing your friend see's is 2 people being awkward, that's not the best way to introduce someone to something new. And people do bitch about way too much but there is a reason this thread is here. Where is the " I FUCKING HATE WOLF' threads on reddit or TL? There are none because he's an awesome caster. And with your logic you don't want the best casters, you want whatever gom gives you. (even if its shit?????)
I've seen Wolfhate in at least 10 different matches comment sections on GOMtv. There's hate for both Wolf and Doa but people focus on what irks them the most i guess. If Moletrap is kicked out the whine will start to focus on Doa, it's the internet after all.
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On August 30 2011 20:03 WettestWilly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson Tbf, if customers (paying or non-paying) do not provide constructive feedback, then a company does not know how the consumers are responding to their product. That's why customer service is the #1 priority for most companies. I think GOM cares quite a bit. Just look at their forums here: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=201732&cid=0&kind=1Also, on the McDonalds happy meal topic - If enough customers are complaining about something don't you think upper management/corporate will change something? You're right, one customer doesn't call the shots, but collectively we can make an impact. PS - Do you vote? Or does your one vote not matter enough to make a difference?
Yes, you're exactly right, if enough people scream they will be heard. This is 100% correct. What i'm pointing to is
1. moletrap is still a GSL caster. This, evidently, means that not enough people have screamed yet (or loud enough) and one/ a few people on TL claiming they "deserve" a caster befitting their standards just because they pay will not, in fact, make a difference. And claiming that GOM should change casters just because you/ a few people think so.
Again, let me make this perfectly clear, if enough people complain about moletrap/any other GSL caster, if GOM cares about their viewers they'll switch casters. But as it is, not enough people are. I have no doubt that GOM cares for their english viewers and want to provide them with a quality experience in terms of casting.
My very point is that just because you pay for something doesn't mean you get to tell the creators what to do. Because it's just YOU complaining, or not enough people to make a significant difference or impact on said creators.
PS - Yes, I vote. What you tried to use as an example here is rather missing my point. Who casts GSL is not a democratic decision.
Za7ox: Your response is possibly the most uncostructive/silly one I've seen yet, and so I have decided that I won't even take the time to reply to that bullshit... lol...
For the record, I'm not a moletrap fan of any kind. I think he's a fairly unenjoyable caster.
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On August 30 2011 20:12 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:10 Za7oX wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:
Has this officially become the "whine about every GSL caster except Tastosis like a little bitch" thread? Seems so. Jeez, calm the fuck down and appreciate the fact that you get to see the worlds best SC2 for free (or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. I also hate it when people act as if their paying to watch it means they have the "right" to a caster they personally enjoy. Shut the fuck up, please, what are you, WoW players?) Ok... think... Lets say you have a mate who has never seen sc2/E-Sports before and you want to show him some GSL matches. If the first thing your friend see's is 2 people being awkward, that's not the best way to introduce someone to something new. And people do bitch about way too much but there is a reason this thread is here. Where is the " I FUCKING HATE WOLF' threads on reddit or TL? There are none because he's an awesome caster. And with your logic you don't want the best casters, you want whatever gom gives you. (even if its shit?????) I've seen Wolfhate in at least 10 different matches comment sections on GOMtv. There's hate for both Wolf and Doa but people focus on what irks them the most i guess. If Moletrap is kicked out the whine will start to focus on Doa, it's the internet after all.
Moletrap hate is on another level imo lol
Point me out to the 55page wolf hate thread please 
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Yay Moletrap! I sure hope they do some tri-casting like in the old days of sc2gg with moletrap klaz and diggity ^____________^
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On August 30 2011 20:13 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:03 WettestWilly wrote:On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson Tbf, if customers (paying or non-paying) do not provide constructive feedback, then a company does not know how the consumers are responding to their product. That's why customer service is the #1 priority for most companies. I think GOM cares quite a bit. Just look at their forums here: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=201732&cid=0&kind=1Also, on the McDonalds happy meal topic - If enough customers are complaining about something don't you think upper management/corporate will change something? You're right, one customer doesn't call the shots, but collectively we can make an impact. PS - Do you vote? Or does your one vote not matter enough to make a difference? Yes, you're exactly right, if enough people scream they will be heard. This is 100% correct. What i'm pointing to is 1. moletrap is still a GSL caster. This, evidently, means that not enough people have screamed yet (or loud enough) and one/ a few people on TL claiming they "deserve" a caster befitting their standards just because they pay will not, in fact, make a difference. And claiming that GOM should change casters just because you/ a few people think so. Again, let me make this perfectly clear, if enough people complain about moletrap/any other GSL caster, if GOM cares about their viewers they'll switch casters. But as it is, not enough people are. I have no doubt that GOM cares for their english viewers and want to provide them with a quality experience in terms of casting. My very point is that just because you pay for something doesn't mean you get to tell the creators what to do. Because it's just YOU complaining, or not enough people to make a significant difference or impact on said creators. PS - Yes, I vote. What you tried to use as an example here is rather missing my point. Who casts GSL is not a democratic decision. Za7ox: Your response is possibly the most uncostructive/silly one I've seen yet, and so I have decided that I won't even take the time to reply to that bullshit... lol... For the record, I'm not a moletrap fan of any kind. I think he's a fairly unenjoyable caster.
My example fit the situation, but who cares really?
If you look at the thread that I linked, it's to GOM's forums (Note: thread started by Gom.Snowbird) and is predominately Moletrap hate. The reason he isn't gone yet is because changes don't happen overnight. I'd be surprised if he is still casting at the end of this season. Also, it could be more complicated than just getting rid of him. Who knows what the legal issues are, if any? Is he under contract? What are the terms of the contract? Etc, etc....
In summation, GOM is aware and I'm sure they are trying to find the best way to resolve the issue.
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On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson
You claim customers can complain, but isn't that exactly what people are doing here? They are complaining. Even the guy you first quoted is complaining. That's all people are doing here - complaining. The fact that he is a paying customer just gives his complaints a louder voice.
Stop misrepresenting everyone's dissatisfaction as entitlement "to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies". I heard straw man is fun.
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On August 30 2011 20:33 abitjaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson You claim customers can complain, but isn't that exactly what people are doing here? They are complaining. Even the guy you first quoted is complaining. That's all people are doing here - complaining. The fact that he is a paying customer just gives his complaints a louder voice. Stop misrepresenting everyone's dissatisfaction as entitlement "to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies". I heard straw man is fun.
Well, fuck. How do I say this?
Yes, these customers are complaining. The people I were pointing to were saying they had the "right" (as paying customers) to a "better" caster. This is entitlement. They feel that they are entitled to a better caster because they are paying. How do you not see this as entitlement? And no, I was not not misrepresenting "everyone's" dissatisfaction. A lot of people have valid complaints. I'm not talking about those people, they can hate moletrap as much as they want.
I'm talking about the ones that are actually fucking ENTITLED, as I have stated multiple times.
Stupid condescending remarks about logical fallacies that are seemingly beyond your comprehension don't help your argument.
WettestWilly: Well, theres really no way to disprove your point if they do switch out moletrap. Unless they/DoA/anybody else who's legitimate releases a statement where they say moletrap was dropped because of excessive criticism, well, GOM switches Code A casters a lot.
It could very well be that he gets criticised too much and will get switched out, I dunno.
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I'm not phased, I think he's doing a good job - no hate here, keep up the good work MT
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Definitely not going to enjoy hearing Moletrap cast. In my opinion, he's the worst caster out there. This is unfortunate because I am still going to buy the tickets to watch the non-moletrap casts.
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don't like him casting at all , i can't stand his voice ...
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There is no other caster that i auto mute the cast for.
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On August 30 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:33 abitjaded wrote:On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson You claim customers can complain, but isn't that exactly what people are doing here? They are complaining. Even the guy you first quoted is complaining. That's all people are doing here - complaining. The fact that he is a paying customer just gives his complaints a louder voice. Stop misrepresenting everyone's dissatisfaction as entitlement "to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies". I heard straw man is fun. Well, fuck. How do I say this? Yes, these customers are complaining. The people I were pointing to were saying they had the "right" (as paying customers) to a "better" caster. This is entitlement. They feel that they are entitled to a better caster because they are paying. How do you not see this as entitlement? And no, I was not not misrepresenting "everyone's" dissatisfaction. A lot of people have valid complaints. I'm not talking about those people, they can hate moletrap as much as they want. I'm talking about the ones that are actually fucking ENTITLED, as I have stated multiple times. Stupid condescending remarks about logical fallacies that are seemingly beyond your comprehension don't help your argument. WettestWilly: Well, theres really no way to disprove your point if they do switch out moletrap. Unless they/DoA/anybody else who's legitimate releases a statement where they say moletrap was dropped because of excessive criticism, well, GOM switches Code A casters a lot. It could very well be that he gets criticised too much and will get switched out, I dunno.
Let's see.
On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:
Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please...lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster.
By the way, that's a post you've replied to and quoted yourself. As I can't be assed to go thorugh 55 pages... if there are examples where people displayed entitlement, then all the more power to your rage, and I will agree with you.
Also, I made clear that you are making a misrepresentation, so my "condescending remark" isn't out of line or as you suggested, out of my comprehension
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On August 30 2011 20:58 abitjaded wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 20:42 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 20:33 abitjaded wrote:On August 30 2011 19:50 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:41 acrimoneyius wrote:On August 30 2011 19:39 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:24 Tsubbi wrote:On August 30 2011 19:13 marttorn wrote:On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:On August 30 2011 19:00 marttorn wrote:or, if you payed for the ticket, for a low cost. Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please... lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster. You're not paying to see this, "this" is free, you chose yourself to pay so you could watch VoD's, and watch live in a higher quality. Just because you chose to pay for it yourself does not entitle you to a caster you personally like. I addressed this in my post right after the part you fucking quoted, lol. Don't act as if just because you're a paying customer you get to really have a say on who casts this shit. If you don't enjoy the casters, mute it, or better, stop paying for the fucking service lol. I'm sure GOM doesn't care too much about losing a single customer. And most importantly, how is whining like an asshole in this thread gonna help out the fact that YOU personally don't like moletrap? If GOM has enough negative feedback they'll probably switch casters. Alas, this has not happened yet. So, in short, just fucking deal with it. Nobody's forcing you to pay for this shit. Your choice of words and your argument are bad, of course a company cares about what their paying customers think. Indeed, perhaps that was a bad choice of words. Yes, indeed, GOM certainly does care about what their paying customers think. Do they read this thread to see what criticisms people have of their english casters? Not exactly. acremoniyus: Yet despite these "valid criticisms" GOM uses him as a caster. Either, most people actually like moletrap, or GOM doesn't give a single fuck about what some foreign fans think. You decide. My point is that paying for something doesn't really entitle you to a say on the future of the product/company behind it. That's what my WoW example was about. If I buy a fucking Happy Meal, that doesn't mean I get to say anything about the way McDonalds makes their food. I was far from saying that you "shouldn't" or "couldn't" voice your opinion here. But just as you can whine about GSL casters like a bitch, I can whine about your whining like a little bitch. Deal? You're basically just saying customers aren't allowed to complain about a company's product. + Show Spoiler + Haha, you don't need to spoiler silly insults. I wasn't, at all (in fact how you could concoct such bullshit is beyond me), saying that customers can't complain about a companies product. You can. To go back to a previous example, plenty of people complain about McDonalds food and WoW. But just fucking paying doesn't entitle you to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies. Nor does it mean you have the "right" to a caster you personally enjoy. I will leave you with a quote that I find befitting as to how you have interpreted my previous posts "English motherfucker, DO YOU SPEAK IT?" - Samuel Leroy Jackson You claim customers can complain, but isn't that exactly what people are doing here? They are complaining. Even the guy you first quoted is complaining. That's all people are doing here - complaining. The fact that he is a paying customer just gives his complaints a louder voice. Stop misrepresenting everyone's dissatisfaction as entitlement "to have a say in the decision of where the future of the company lies". I heard straw man is fun. Well, fuck. How do I say this? Yes, these customers are complaining. The people I were pointing to were saying they had the "right" (as paying customers) to a "better" caster. This is entitlement. They feel that they are entitled to a better caster because they are paying. How do you not see this as entitlement? And no, I was not not misrepresenting "everyone's" dissatisfaction. A lot of people have valid complaints. I'm not talking about those people, they can hate moletrap as much as they want. I'm talking about the ones that are actually fucking ENTITLED, as I have stated multiple times. Stupid condescending remarks about logical fallacies that are seemingly beyond your comprehension don't help your argument. WettestWilly: Well, theres really no way to disprove your point if they do switch out moletrap. Unless they/DoA/anybody else who's legitimate releases a statement where they say moletrap was dropped because of excessive criticism, well, GOM switches Code A casters a lot. It could very well be that he gets criticised too much and will get switched out, I dunno. Let's see. Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 19:07 AdriftSC wrote:
Exactly, we're actally paying to see this, so don't you not have the right to complain if you're an unstatisfied customer? Please...lets keep it real here. we all know moletrap is not an highly appriciated caster.
By the way, that's a post you've replied to and quoted yourself. As I can't be assed to go thorugh 55 pages... if there are examples where people displayed entitlement, then all the more power to your rage, and I will agree with you. Also, I made clear that you are making a misrepresentation, so my "condescending remark" isn't out of line or as you suggested, out of my comprehension
Obviously I've seen a lot of silly entitlement (people claiming they deserve a better caster because they pay) or I wouldn't have posted what I initially did. What would I gain from bitching about nonexistent shit? Nothing. If you haven't read the thread yourself that's your problem for not having read what I have and still commenting on what i'm saying.
Also, you writing off my posting as "rage" as well as the last few lines of your post is very very condescending, and very uncalled for in this context. Really.
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