EPTOn August 12 2011 09:24 arbitrageur wrote:
Nice implication you've pulled out of your arse.
Nice implication you've pulled out of your arse.
Was that directed at me or to darkest44?
Moletrap's casting for gom 'long term' - Page 40
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
Was that directed at me or to darkest44? | ||
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quiet noise
599 Posts
all he does is to yell with his squeeky, nasal voice about obvious things happening on the screen, with no analasys at all. his idea of casting seems to be: yell out what you see happening on the screen as it happens, nothing is too obvious! that and hyping players and make calls based 100% on previous match history with no regard for current meta game trends (like calling it a big upset when tassadar lost to a 1/1/1 build) | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On August 12 2011 04:30 Nekemancer wrote: I saw his games with the NASL with Diggity, it wasn't so bad. He actually let Diggity talk and do some analysis while he focused on the shoutcasting bit. At the GSL, he seems to want to do both. It doesn't work. Yes Moletrap rarely talks over people in his BW cast and in his other casts. I think Moletrap is trying to keep busy (since he's now getting paid to cast). All he needs is someone to tell him to take turns casting (really, anyone able to contact him on a regular basis?). | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
I don't enjoy Moletrap's voice, I find it very whiny, which is something that will never really get better. But his tone is also annoying to me, its very authoritative and serious, even when his co-caster is making a joke. He has had little-to-no chemistry with anyone hes casted with in the GSL (although he was better in the NASL, significantly more laid back). But besides that, in his first run as a GSL Code-A caster, he would make really silly errors in what to "get excited" about as a caster. I can remember vividly a PvP where early in the game a scouting probe was approaching the ramp of one of the players. Moletrap starts to escalate his voice about how the probe might get in the base and see the tech path, which might have been appropriate had there not been 2 stalkers standing right at the top of the ramp. The camera was on it the whole time too. The stalkers made a routine kill on the probe, and there was nothing of note. I've never shaken the thought of, what the heck is this guy doing commentating this game if he thought the probe would get up that ramp? I'm not sure whether this was because he was trying too hard to be amped-up for the game or something, but it really took away from the viewing experience. I can see from his commentary he isn't very good at Starcraft 2, which is a really annoying quality in a caster that makes commentary on strategy, but when he starts making silly caster-related mistakes thats too much for me. There are casters like HD and the improved Husky that casted MLG that aren't necessarily great at Starcraft 2, but are good at play-by-play and also good at conceding the floor to their co-caster in certain spots. Similar to that, he would call the outcome of battles wrong with a higher frequency than any other big-time commentator I've ever seen. This is part of the problem of that he doesn't seem to have a great grasp of the game. If there is a big confrontation and you aren't in a position to call the winner, don't call it! When your wrong it is just annoying, and makes you look silly. It also really takes away from the drama that is unfolding when errors are introduced by the caster. Moletrap has been better in his current GSL run in not raising his voice/getting excited about bizarrely non-important events, but he still needs to just concede the strategy side of the commentary to Wolf. I don't enjoy watching a caster lower the level of strategy I'm watching by giving comments that are below the level of play of GSL Code-A players. I have no problem with casters who aren't good at the game if they lean more towards complimenting the players about their play/questioning their co-caster about certain points. It must be hard on the ego but its necessary. Summary: Don't like Moletrap's voice or tone; his misjudgements on when to get excited, his miscalls of battles, his misunderstanding of strategy, and his inability to concede the floor to his co-caster when hes out of his depth. Edit: And for the love of god someone tell him how to properly pronounce melee. He even mispronounces it right after his co-caster has just pronounced it correctly. It burns my ears when I hear him say mee-lee instead of may-lay. | ||
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[Azn]Nada
United States275 Posts
anyways, I feel those who are annoyed by his voice, and others who are complaining about his "lack of knowledge" need to acknowledge the immense, titanic effort moletrap has put into starcraft. I suggest everyone visit his Broodwar channel. I'm sure he's been doing broodwar commentaries for longer than many SC2 fans have watched starcraft. I feel that this immense effort needs to be recongized; hes probably spent thousands of hours doing commentaries with about 0 payment... He started way earlier than husky, gets paid about 1% of what husky does, and I simply feel that this is unfair. I won't lie, when I first met moletrap, I didn't like his voice too much. But I suggest viewers listen to him a bit more, and come to appreciate the dedication hes put forth for the sport. It's really really REALLY more than what I'd say 95% of current SC2 commentators have done. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:22 [Azn]Nada wrote: Ugh first page, someone got warned for saying moletrap sucked. Even though I'm one of moletrap's most adamant fans, I feel that's kinda unfair... i mean he's entitled to his opinion? Not sure... anyways, I feel those who are annoyed by his voice, and others who are complaining about his "lack of knowledge" need to acknowledge the immense, titanic effort moletrap has put into starcraft. I suggest everyone visit his Broodwar channel. I'm sure he's been doing broodwar commentaries for longer than many SC2 fans have watched starcraft. I feel that this immense effort needs to be recongized; hes probably spent thousands of hours doing commentaries with about 0 payment... He started way earlier than husky, gets paid about 1% of what husky does, and I simply feel that this is unfair. I won't lie, when I first met moletrap, I didn't like his voice too much. But I suggest viewers listen to him a bit more, and come to appreciate the dedication hes put forth for the sport. It's really really REALLY more than what I'd say 95% of current SC2 commentators have done. Why should the amount of effort Moletrap has put into SC matter when its his casting that I am watching? If his effort isn't improving the product he is providing, then what does it matter? I don't understand the standpoint that just because he paid his dues he deserves to be casting the GSL. I can acknowledge he works hard, but a lot of people do. I know guys at McDonalds who work hard, but doesn't mean they deserve to have a job on Wall Street. While that is somewhat flippant, its true in that I'd rather watch Husky (in the style he used in broadcasting MLG) than Moletrap. I don't care who put in more effort, I want to watch the one that is more pleasurable to hear broadcast Starcraft. | ||
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xrebelx
Canada24 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On August 12 2011 12:29 Dante_A_ wrote: Why should the amount of effort Moletrap has put into SC matter when its his casting that I am watching? If his effort isn't improving the product he is providing, then what does it matter? I don't understand the standpoint that just because he paid his dues he deserves to be casting the GSL. I can acknowledge he works hard, but a lot of people do. I know guys at McDonalds who work hard, but doesn't mean they deserve to have a job on Wall Street. While that is somewhat flippant, its true in that I'd rather watch Husky (in the style he used in broadcasting MLG) than Moletrap. I don't care who put in more effort, I want to watch the one that is more pleasurable to hear broadcast Starcraft. Exactly my Thoughts its apparent after reading the GomTv Threads and the TL.Net Thread on this. The Majority do not want him casting. Many Do not accept this ignore it and only want to remember that he had helped the BW community by casting a long time ago. This doesn't matter GomTV/GSL is disappointing its Customers by hiring Mole Trap its clear the Majority are actually Frustrated/annoyed by the Fact they decided to hire him for the long term. Which is one of the most confusing choices GomTv/GSL could have made after seeing how bad Mole Traps Casting was before he came back From his Break. GSL July will be known as the Best GSL Ever This Year. The Month Of GSL casts without Mole Trap. And TL.net Warned someone who said they didn't like him Casting because that was their opinion of the Caster( That they didn't Like) ..It shows in Fact that TL.Net is biased toward him. And it shames me because i think Mole Trap is more unbearable to Listen to than Even Husky/Kelly. We the Customers/Paying Customers at GSL want a Top Quality Product. Its sad now that they've hired Mole Trap many people Including Myself are considering Cancelling our Subscriptions and/or not even watching CodeA because of Mole Trap Casting. Its that BAD | ||
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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YipCraft
United States216 Posts
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:16 XRaDiiX wrote: Exactly my Thoughts its apparent after reading the GomTv Threads and the TL.Net Thread on this. The Majority do not want him casting. Many Do not accept this ignore it and only want to remember that he had helped the BW community by casting a long time ago. This doesn't matter GomTV/GSL is disappointing its Customers by hiring Mole Trap its clear the Majority are actually Frustrated/annoyed by the Fact they decided to hire him for the long term. Which is one of the most confusing choices GomTv/GSL could have made after seeing how bad Mole Traps Casting was before he came back From his Break. GSL July will be known as the Best GSL Ever This Year. The Month Of GSL casts without Mole Trap. And TL.net Warned someone who said they didn't like him Casting because that was their opinion of the Caster( That they didn't Like) ..It shows in Fact that TL.Net is biased toward him. And it shames me because i think Mole Trap is more unbearable to Listen to than Even Husky/Kelly. We the Customers/Paying Customers at GSL want a Top Quality Product. Its sad now that they've hired Mole Trap many people Including Myself are considering Cancelling our Subscriptions and/or not even watching CodeA because of Mole Trap Casting. Its that BAD The majority do want him casting as shown in the poll thread(52% Excellent/Good). And an even bigger majority think that he's at least average or higher(79%). So clearly, you're in the minority, not the majority. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:00 Kiyo. wrote: The majority do want him casting as shown in the poll thread(52% Excellent/Good). And an even bigger majority think that he's at least average or higher(79%). So clearly, you're in the minority, not the majority. The Poll votes in Favour of Mole Trap were most likely Smurf Account Votes. Doesn't matter you Clearly haven't Read the Forum on GOMTV yet. Where you actually have to sign up and have an Account and post a long Response. Not Just Vote. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?page=13&topicid=201732 | ||
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Roffu
United States143 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:10 XRaDiiX wrote: The Poll votes in Favour of Mole Trap were most likely Smurf Account Votes. Doesn't matter you Clearly haven't Read the Forum on GOMTV yet. Where you actually have to sign up and have an Account and post a long Response. Not Just Vote. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?page=13&topicid=201732 And you have been spamming that link in GOM live chats requesting everyone to go there and whine about Moletrap. It's like a fucking campaign for you. You've also called him "a fucking rat" and other degrading things, you seem so emotionally invested in getting rid of him it seems like pure hate to me. Also just looking at that link i see that you're posting on at least two different accounts to buffer the thread. Sounds like you be hatin' man. | ||
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EricCartman
Canada306 Posts
Still I feel he lacks the necessary skill and knowledge depth to cast at such a high level of starcraft. His cohesion with co-casters have improved this time round but there are still awkward moments where he either says or acts something and then realizes him being childish/foolish and trying to change the topic. Personally I would much prefer someone else like DJ Wheat or Day[9]. | ||
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Esper
United States87 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:18 Roffu wrote: I'm currently watching MKP vs YUGI on mute cause I can't stand him, and please shut it about the poll, if you read every thread even the one in GOMTV which people give feed back, there's one person out of 50 who like Moletrap, he's really annoying and everybody agrees, why is he being kept? I have no idea. Citing the frequency of posts for pros vs cons is unfair. It's natural for people to be more compelled to complain rather than praise. For whatever reason people feel a deep seeded attack when they experience something that goes against them but just take things for granted when it works out well saying "It's supposed to be like that". That being said, I can't stand Moletrap either. He is not knowledgeable in analysis, does not "shout"cast properly by constantly miscalling even what is right on the screen, and to say he has no chemistry is being overly polite in my opinion, I'd almost say he's down right rude and is basically solo casting while periodically acknowledging his co-caster. He has been involved in SC for far longer than I have and sure he's "paid his dues" but that investment of time, what has it produced? This current state of casting? If GSL wants to continue positioning itself as THE premier SC2 league it needs to have premier caliber casters. Last season I was near equally excited for Code A as I was Code S, but now it's becoming rather apparent to me that the level of casting (or lack thereof) is the driving force behind Code A being lack luster. | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:10 XRaDiiX wrote: The Poll votes in Favour of Mole Trap were most likely Smurf Account Votes. Doesn't matter you Clearly haven't Read the Forum on GOMTV yet. Where you actually have to sign up and have an Account and post a long Response. Not Just Vote. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?page=13&topicid=201732 You need an account to vote too. A poll is more accurate as more people are likely to vote when it doesn't require a long explanation on why they feel a certain way. And how do you know there aren't smurf accounts on GOM's site? As someone else said, people are a lot more likely to write up a complaint than they are likely to praise. | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:09 Kiyo. wrote: As someone else said, people are a lot more likely to write up a complaint than they are likely to praise. This might be right but then you have to look who gets the most complaints. From the beginning Moletrap got a lot of criticism. Maybe the most of all code A casters and that's why it's a little bit strange that he's now the permanent caster. GOM ist doing a lot for the community and tries to interact with it but this time I feel they failed to look around and bring somebody on who has a better standing. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
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HazeHiLO
United States5 Posts
They aren't the most knowledgeable casters, but they have enough understanding of the game to commentate it. Tastetosis frequently make judgement errors along with plenty of other casters, because the truth is nobody knows the game well enough to call every engagement. I do get irritated at what Moletrap gets excited over though, it's painfully obvious he is trying to hype up the game instead of deliver accurate commentary. When Tasteless and Artosis get excited, its for the right reasons. Moletrap is probably an incredible caster for people who don't play very much or at all, but for me, its just a slog for me. | ||
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