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Mysti_
France185 Posts
On August 07 2011 13:34 RaiKageRyu wrote: I like how for Korean PvZ. It's like a complete turnaround every month. Lol no, just no, look at the graphs and the last 4 months (since the up infestor) zerg is favored by a good margin... | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 07 2011 17:35 JoeSchmoe wrote: that doesn't mean much when I'm referencing games from the highest levels of play, specifically ganzi vs hongun. possibility 3 would not even apply. there is no time to even get out a siege tank. the vr comes with a higher ground warp-in. all you have are a few marines and a banshee. Ganzi screwed up. I know he had a lot to do, but his viking sat way too close to the voids. Had he set his SCV's to auto repair and just kited with the viking to lure the voids over the bunker, he would've been fine. At that point in time, SCV's are 100% expendable. Only the viking was irreplaceable. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
1. Marine tank banshee vP 2. Marine bfh drop vZ Terran now has 40 % winrate across all matchups | ||
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Galek
Poland234 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On August 07 2011 09:42 Netsky wrote: Protoss struggling a little this past month. International is a bit more balanced, but in Korea P is getting smashed -_- Korean stats are all that matter  But yes, very interesting. | ||
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
On August 07 2011 10:20 EtohEtoh wrote: more terran nerfs incoming? I guess rather a protoss buff. | ||
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Spacedude
Denmark161 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
That is why terran wins the most, that is why terran dominates teamleagues, that is why terran is simply the best right now. Not necessarily imbalanced, but it forces other races to play perfect and reactive. Just like in football, you can play reactive, but the moment you make one mistake in your defense, you have to switch it up. And the races dont have the ability to switch it up reliably, as there are simply no units that do the same thing as the banshee or BFH, except maybe the DT, but terran has built-in scans  . If the terran loses some workers, there's still mules to make up for it . Oh and you wont really make it to infestors/ht if you lose stuff early, because the T timings are unforgiving.And thats not even mentioning BO wins, which terrans dont really have problems with unless they fuck up greatly. There's a reason that protoss tries to do so many 'gimicky all-ins' (aka 2 base/1 base pressure). If you play for the alternative, you need to play absolutely perfect and reactive. And this is insanenly hard across multiple games. Better to try and force the terran to make some mistakes, as if you play normal, it simply all relies on YOUR ability, and not so much theirs. If anything, I dont think terran should be nerfed at all. Terran is the perfect race and it is the most fun to watch. And it is the most fun to watch for a reason: the units are fast, fragile, and they can change the game on their own. Just like the reaver could, just like the defiler could, just like the lurker could... Only the cool thing is, the terran units that do this are not really casters. And the sad thing is, id say protoss misses these units especially (except for the HT (colossi are dumb, totally not fun), but to reach the HT stage, you again need to play absolutely perfect and pray that the EMPS dont gut you 100% at the 10 different timings they have vs. you) | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
The race is so sturdy and robust thanks to the mules and salvage bunkers, yet you have so many bo advantages / wins and insane harass options to turn the game around (marines drop, bfh, banshees) My poor protoss fellows getting smashed everywhere  | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
BFH and Ghost, not use much before? used a lot now. It's just like vultures in Sc1 | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Who wants balance if you can have terrans winning! | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 07 2011 18:12 Beyonder wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Lets face it, terran is just the best race. Does not necessarily mean that they are imbalanced, but it IS the best race. If you combine the best harass/nerf units (banshee, BFH) with the mule and the ability to do various ingenious all-ins, then you have an insane race that forces the other races to play almost absolutely perfect. And noone plays perfect yet. That is why terran wins the most, that is why terran dominates teamleagues, that is why terran is simply the best right now. Not necessarily imbalanced, but it forces other races to play perfect and reactive. Just like in football, you can play reactive, but the moment you make one mistake in your defense, you have to switch it up. And the races dont have the ability to switch it up reliably, as there are simply no units that do the same thing as the banshee or BFH, except maybe the DT, but terran has built-in scans . If the terran loses some workers, there's still mules to make up for it . Oh and you wont really make it to infestors/ht if you lose stuff early, because the T timings are unforgiving.And thats not even mentioning BO wins, which terrans dont really have problems with unless they fuck up greatly. There's a reason that protoss tries to do so many 'gimicky all-ins' (aka 2 base/1 base pressure). If you play for the alternative, you need to play absolutely perfect and reactive. And this is insanenly hard across multiple games. Better to try and force the terran to make some mistakes, as if you play normal, it simply all relies on YOUR ability, and not so much theirs. If anything, I dont think terran should be nerfed at all. Terran is the perfect race and it is the most fun to watch. And it is the most fun to watch for a reason: the units are fast, fragile, and they can change the game on their own. Just like the reaver could, just like the defiler could, just like the lurker could... Only the cool thing is, the terran units that do this are not really casters. And the sad thing is, id say protoss misses these units especially (except for the HT (colossi are dumb, totally not fun), but to reach the HT stage, you again need to play absolutely perfect and pray that the EMPS dont gut you 100% at the 10 different timings they have vs. you) There's this guy called nestea the metagame just revolves around 1 and 2 bases right now which is undoubtedly terran favored. Once it gets past the midgame I definitely see it being zerg/protoss favored | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Its just poor designed. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On August 07 2011 18:36 Itsmedudeman wrote: There's this guy called nestea the metagame just revolves around 1 and 2 bases right now which is undoubtedly terran favored. Once it gets past the midgame I definitely see it being zerg/protoss favored But why does it revolve around 1 and 2 bases? Oh thats right, because there's problems with the game and the design. T_____T | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On August 07 2011 18:37 Beyonder wrote: Protoss doesnt needs buffs imo, it needs an expansion. Just imagine the race with the reaver, or any other semi-reliable harass unit that you can actually incorporate into your army (hello banshee/muta!). Its just poor designed. Agreed. I just hope they are considering changing the race enough to fix these design problems. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On August 07 2011 18:37 Beyonder wrote: Protoss doesnt needs buffs imo, it needs an expansion. Just imagine the race with the reaver, or any other semi-reliable harass unit that you can actually incorporate into your army (hello banshee/muta!). Its just poor designed. The problem with that sentiment is that we'd have to deal with a sort of imbalance born from poor design all the way until an expansion comes out, which simply isn't an immediate option. | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On August 07 2011 18:40 HolyArrow wrote: The problem with that sentiment is that we'd have to deal with a sort of imbalance born from poor design all the way until an expansion comes out, which simply isn't an immediate option. Thats like saying you choose to believe in God because you are afraid of what happens when you die. Just accept it the way it is and wait patiently ^_^ And it isnt really imbalance, just different tools per race. One is a lot more suitable for a game in the early stage and allows you to maximize your skill level. The other asks you to play perfect or gamble it up :D | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
On August 07 2011 18:40 HolyArrow wrote: The problem with that sentiment is that we'd have to deal with a sort of imbalance born from poor design all the way until an expansion comes out, which simply isn't an immediate option. Yeah I agree, if there is imbalance in the sense that the race is missing something due to design flaws, something should still be changed instead of just waiting for HOTS to come out and hope for the best (who knows how long it'll be with blizzard). | ||
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