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id be pretty pissed if i didnt do anything wrong but lost thousands of dollars through PR lol.
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Not good enough. Coach Lee should have been contacted, or at the very least puma should have given more notice. This is not acceptable. Contract or no.
Human decency at its finest. It's pretty pathetic. If there were more people like Clide and SangHo the world would be a better place.
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he had no salary, but he was still housed & fed for free...
All three parties are to blame imho:
Puma, he left a team that invested (house & food aint free) in him hopping that he would succeed in the future.
EG, they took advantage of the trust that Lee had in his players..............................
TSL, for not contracting their players...
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How about this?
EG: Hey, we're interested in you and your talents. We're willing to sponsor you, we have money
PuMa: You're going to have to speak to TSL.
EG: kk
That's how simple it could have been if PuMA thought this approach was shady, or if he wasn't in condition to negotiate or discuss the issue without consultation. And I'm offended for PuMa by those who say PuMA is a 19 year old kid who isn't capable of making life choices. He's already on a team (that's already a pretty big choice) playing video games professionally. I'm pretty sure he has a grasp on what he wants to do for a living (for now), and you know what, if he can play high level Terran I'm sure he can decide things for himself. And if he can't, why is that anyone's responsibility but his own? At best his team recognizes his lack of maturity (this is what I feel people are implying) and tells him to not talk to anyone overseas.
If you're not allowed to have a simple conversation with a player about business then I'm calling it a ridiculous precedent. Obviously PuMA was interested enough to keep talking about it so why should his freedom be inhibited?
We have the luxury of having a "sport" in which we decide what is acceptable or not. I think it would be deplorable to deny players rights in order to serve the interests of a team or corporation. Why would you want to mimic a system in which players have limited rights and abilities because of the legal implications instilled by large companies protecting their assets and stock value?
From what I heard, TSL's manager is a pretty nice guy and I'm glad for PuMA, but I'm not sure you can always trust a person who is in a clear conflict of interest to decide what's right for him.
By the way, the original post is structured that way on purpose. Some of you may find it offending, and perhaps you should because this is the type of writing I use when relaying my message to a group of people who are
a) dumb (vague I know, but I'm sure you understand the concept)
b) stubborn (you need to beat a point into their heads)
c) lack reading comprehension (if anyone read through the initial thread on TL, I'm sure they would agree. I actually read through about 250 pages of it and was pretty disappointed by people who can't read)
So basically the OP feels he needs to communicate in a specific way because he thinks lowly of TL. And perhaps he should, I know my respect for the average poster has diminished; perhaps I haven't been here long enough yet.
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The only thing bad about Milkis' translation was that the content was misinformed and sensationalized. He is at no other fault and can have his own opinions.
The journalism thing is a whole other issue/debate to be had.
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It would be nice for the TL staff to enforce some order on the discussion and minimize the Milkis distraction. While its obviously hasn't been helpful to have brought this up at the end of WoC, the issue at hand is EG's successful signing of PuMa.
It is a bit sad for the community to just regurgitate not one, but two previous threads' contents. The vitriol, in addition to the fact people are just talking at each other instead of actually rationally discussing the issue at hand shows either a lack of maturity or a simple bias against whatever EG did. They apologized for their offense. What more do any of you want? That nothing seems to satisfy certain detractors speaks for itself.
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On July 26 2011 11:22 AlissyXOXO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:20 theDragoon wrote:On July 26 2011 10:59 AlissyXOXO wrote:
I have no idea what EG said about Milkis during that WoC cast or w/e, but I don't understand why so many people are defending him. He did things badly and it blew out of proportion in the western community because of the way he did it and obviously EG are gonna be pretty pissed, public image is everything when getting sponsors and they apparently didn't even know what was going on with Puma or whether they were going to talk to Coach Lee to negotiate things further.
First thing for good journalism is to get both sides of the story FIRST (seems like a recurring theme) before posting something that will reflect negatively on a gaming organization to keep relations between two organizations good, as Milkis is representing Team Liquid (he's a translator here after all). But he translated the article straight away, then demanded a response from SirScoots quite aggressively and rudely (at least in my opinion) over twitter, saying "We're waiting for your side of the story". Surely he could've waited 30 minutes more, given a rough translation to the article to SirScoots/EG and asked for his side of the story before publishing.
It was unprofessional, either way and he should be a big boy. He's representing a global gaming organization now, that is the face of SC2 for the western community. Maybe it's time some of the staff picked it up a notch and became a bit more professional lol, really? You want someone to post a translation of a published article after getting both sides of the story? Sure why not? Being delayed 1 hour to hear both sides of the story isn't going to magically put you behind of the scene. What harm does it do? (Hint: The answer is none) On the other hand, publishing it like this does do harm to some people
Milkis has no obligation to do anything to help with EG's PR. of course he could contact EG but it is not necessary and makes minimal sense considering it's not even his job. He's a starcraft fan just like us, he doesn't get paid to translate and should not be held responsible for what the korean press said.
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I don't know if Milkis will get a public apology, but it the WoC session sounded like AG not ready to do damage control for the news breaking in the worst way possible and whining about not being able to control the media. It comes across as completely unprofessional.
As far as I know, Milkis is not a professional and has no code to follow. Even a journalist doesn't have to wait for both sides of the story. A journalist can release the news and issue updates later. I repeat myself, but it's just EG being butthurt about not controlling the media and the manner in which the story broke.
All in all, the negotiations were very amateur, but I didn't have very high expectations. The same is true of TSL's contractual situation. Their manager needs to sew up the loose ends.
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On July 26 2011 09:25 -_- wrote:
I've read the entire post. Forgive me if my missed something.
You keep saying that Puma told you the best first step would be for him to contact his coach. Wouldn't the logical first step for you have been to talk to Lee before approaching Puma and communicating EG's interest? Wouldn't have that really have been the proper first step?
this.
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why is everyone so angry
really what is the best for puma and what makes him happy counts
u work a job and someone offers you a better job well if you like it you take it and if you dont than you dont simple
quit bashing eg
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People need to realise that this method of picking up players ie. gauging their interest from them directly is commonplace in the buisness of esport. If people are honestly so annoyed about the way EG picked up Puma then I think very few teams should feel confident in the fanbase they have.
I think it would be pretty eye opening if for the next week or 2 every team manager who got wind of a player on his team's interest being gauged by another team manager made a public outcry like Mr Lee did.
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On July 26 2011 11:25 Fall.182 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:12 starcraft2rush wrote:On July 26 2011 11:07 Shiori wrote:On July 26 2011 11:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:52 Thrax wrote:On July 26 2011 10:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:34 Irave wrote:On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote:Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters.  That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. That discussion started getting off the rails when Milkis got way out of his depth, on the topics at hand. Alex was definitely on an "offensive" going into the discussion, but not directed at Milkis. His business, and his own personal ethics, were being drug through the mud by the anonymous SC2 crowds over effectively a minor miscommunication issue. Everyone responds not the greatest. His big screw up was bringing up the last point. It's not that he was wrong, he has a very legitimate point, but there wasn't any way for it to not come off badly, in that setting. It was an issue of forum & decorum. Truthfully, Milkis did okay, even if he really wasn't up to speed on the topics and wasn't up for matching Alex. Doesn't negate the screw up of bringing up the Journalism topic, but it is what it is. Alex will need to learn to have his Flame Shields on with community stuff. FXOBoSs has run into that problem as well. These guys just aren't used to it, lol. I'm curious to hear Alex's point of view on the journalism issue in more details later. Based on WoC, I probably agree with his general ideas on journalism, but I completely disagree that Milkis was at fault in any way. Milkis was out of his depth. That doesn't mean he was at "fault" for anything. The discussion just went to places he didn't have any ability to speak on. And, let's be clear, Milkis also flubbed a bunch of points on the KeSPA thing pretty badly (doesn't mean he did anything wrong, just that he didn't win that argument). He wasn't going much of anywhere with his thoughts on that. He's definitely not used to discussing topics like this on the fly, which is very definitely a skill set. On the journalism issue, that one is really easy. You could put information in a forum thread here, that gets highlighted, that's false and damaging to a Brand (which EG is). That's technically protected by the First Amendment (in the USA, which the main office of TL is out of, so it has that protection, along with the poster). But, it can still be slanderous or defamatory. This is a *huge* power dynamic issue that the company has little ability to deal with or respond to, before it gets out of hand. That *is* a serious issue and it *will* be a problem. It's more of a problem for Alex than the community, but talking about it with Milkis around was a bad choice of forum. There isn't any way it wouldn't come off as an attack, even if it really wasn't intended to be. 1) Alex accused him of defaming 2) He did not defame 3) ergo Alex is a pompous idiot lol....you finished? lol you must be an EG fanboy. you must be really dense. this whole situation is EG's fault. i can't believe that you are trying to defend EG and alex. Puma was trained by Coach Lee for almost a year. THAT is why he is at the level he is now. EG should NOT have tried to bribe Puma(in a way) PRIOR to contacting COACH LEE BEFOREHAND because puma is on a team already and was raised by another coach.Tell me this. is it correct adopt a child from an orphanage just because the child isn't officially documented as living in the orphanage? No, of course you would contact the orphanage first. You can't blame Milkis either, all he did was translate for the community and Alex was extremely rude to him. Your earlier comment said that Milkis was trying to go on a personal crusade to hurt EG, i think its you who is going on a personal crusade to flame and hurt the community and milkis. I was actually pretty fond of EG before this event. and now i refuse to think of EG of anything other than a backstabbing shady organization. Good job alex.
so tired of emo little kids who think bussiness has ethics, if you want to blame someone blame puma for going about it the wrong way.. but really there is nothing to blame here.. time to move on (im not actually blaming puma, im saying if there is any blame, which there isnt, it would rest on his shoulders for going about it out of the normal style)
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On July 26 2011 11:31 iamlafore wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 09:25 -_- wrote:
I've read the entire post. Forgive me if my missed something.
You keep saying that Puma told you the best first step would be for him to contact his coach. Wouldn't the logical first step for you have been to talk to Lee before approaching Puma and communicating EG's interest? Wouldn't have that really have been the proper first step? this.
He apologized on air, in writing on TL and in a personalized letter. What else do you want?
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On July 26 2011 11:26 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:23 Thrax wrote:On July 26 2011 11:18 Zocat wrote:On July 26 2011 11:16 Micromnky wrote:On July 26 2011 11:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:52 Thrax wrote:On July 26 2011 10:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:34 Irave wrote:On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote:Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. That discussion started getting off the rails when Milkis got way out of his depth, on the topics at hand. Alex was definitely on an "offensive" going into the discussion, but not directed at Milkis. His business, and his own personal ethics, were being drug through the mud by the anonymous SC2 crowds over effectively a minor miscommunication issue. Everyone responds not the greatest. His big screw up was bringing up the last point. It's not that he was wrong, he has a very legitimate point, but there wasn't any way for it to not come off badly, in that setting. It was an issue of forum & decorum. Truthfully, Milkis did okay, even if he really wasn't up to speed on the topics and wasn't up for matching Alex. Doesn't negate the screw up of bringing up the Journalism topic, but it is what it is. Alex will need to learn to have his Flame Shields on with community stuff. FXOBoSs has run into that problem as well. These guys just aren't used to it, lol. I'm curious to hear Alex's point of view on the journalism issue in more details later. Based on WoC, I probably agree with his general ideas on journalism, but I completely disagree that Milkis was at fault in any way. Milkis was out of his depth. That doesn't mean he was at "fault" for anything. The discussion just went to places he didn't have any ability to speak on. And, let's be clear, Milkis also flubbed a bunch of points on the KeSPA thing pretty badly (doesn't mean he did anything wrong, just that he didn't win that argument). He wasn't going much of anywhere with his thoughts on that. He's definitely not used to discussing topics like this on the fly, which is very definitely a skill set. On the journalism issue, that one is really easy. You could put information in a forum thread here, that gets highlighted, that's false and damaging to a Brand (which EG is). That's technically protected by the First Amendment (in the USA, which the main office of TL is out of, so it has that protection, along with the poster). But, it can still be slanderous or defamatory. This is a *huge* power dynamic issue that the company has little ability to deal with or respond to, before it gets out of hand. That *is* a serious issue and it *will* be a problem. It's more of a problem for Alex than the community, but talking about it with Milkis around was a bad choice of forum. There isn't any way it wouldn't come off as an attack, even if it really wasn't intended to be. This. Posting the article without giving EG a chance to respond first, is sloppy journalism. He translated an article. If EG wants to complain about sloppy journalism they should attack the playxp (?) writer. When TeamLiquid features the post as official news on the front page, I think TL somewhat needs to take responsibility for the post. That means making sure it's fair and accurate. If EG feels the need to attack someone, they should go after TL's policy on news, not Milkis. But it was fair and accurate. It was spotlighted as a translation, it was (I believe) initially spotlighted as Lee's statement too.
If you say it was fair and accurate because it was meant as a translation and as a statement by Coach Lee, and that's what it was - that's fine but then it's not news, it's just a TSL press release.
The translation was accurate I'm sure, Milkis is an awesome translator and he cares a lot about translating the subtleties properly, but the original article was found to be wrong on specific points.
(And of course, EG's side was not included at all)
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On July 26 2011 11:19 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:18 Zocat wrote:On July 26 2011 11:16 Micromnky wrote:On July 26 2011 11:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:52 Thrax wrote:On July 26 2011 10:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:34 Irave wrote:On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote:Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. That discussion started getting off the rails when Milkis got way out of his depth, on the topics at hand. Alex was definitely on an "offensive" going into the discussion, but not directed at Milkis. His business, and his own personal ethics, were being drug through the mud by the anonymous SC2 crowds over effectively a minor miscommunication issue. Everyone responds not the greatest. His big screw up was bringing up the last point. It's not that he was wrong, he has a very legitimate point, but there wasn't any way for it to not come off badly, in that setting. It was an issue of forum & decorum. Truthfully, Milkis did okay, even if he really wasn't up to speed on the topics and wasn't up for matching Alex. Doesn't negate the screw up of bringing up the Journalism topic, but it is what it is. Alex will need to learn to have his Flame Shields on with community stuff. FXOBoSs has run into that problem as well. These guys just aren't used to it, lol. I'm curious to hear Alex's point of view on the journalism issue in more details later. Based on WoC, I probably agree with his general ideas on journalism, but I completely disagree that Milkis was at fault in any way. Milkis was out of his depth. That doesn't mean he was at "fault" for anything. The discussion just went to places he didn't have any ability to speak on. And, let's be clear, Milkis also flubbed a bunch of points on the KeSPA thing pretty badly (doesn't mean he did anything wrong, just that he didn't win that argument). He wasn't going much of anywhere with his thoughts on that. He's definitely not used to discussing topics like this on the fly, which is very definitely a skill set. On the journalism issue, that one is really easy. You could put information in a forum thread here, that gets highlighted, that's false and damaging to a Brand (which EG is). That's technically protected by the First Amendment (in the USA, which the main office of TL is out of, so it has that protection, along with the poster). But, it can still be slanderous or defamatory. This is a *huge* power dynamic issue that the company has little ability to deal with or respond to, before it gets out of hand. That *is* a serious issue and it *will* be a problem. It's more of a problem for Alex than the community, but talking about it with Milkis around was a bad choice of forum. There isn't any way it wouldn't come off as an attack, even if it really wasn't intended to be. This. Posting the article without giving EG a chance to respond first, is sloppy journalism. He translated an article. If EG wants to complain about sloppy journalism they should attack the playxp (?) writer. not to mention that you don't delay breaking news to wait 1 week for a statement. that's just laziness on Eg's part.
Agreed. It's Milkis JOB to translate the article.
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Sigh... stop with all the "get both sides first before you post it" BS. It's like that everywhere in the news media and industry. It's even like that in the courtrooms.
You know, if EG didn't want this to be blown out of proportion, they should if handled this better in the first place. If they wanted Korean players, why not talk to everyone involved at the same time?
Reason why some people are pissed off at EG is because they put all the responsibility, decision, and pressure on Puma, who was already affiliated with a team, to make that change if he wanted to.
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On July 26 2011 11:27 AlissyXOXO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:24 Elefanto wrote:On July 26 2011 11:23 MCDayC wrote:On July 26 2011 11:18 Zocat wrote:On July 26 2011 11:16 Micromnky wrote:On July 26 2011 11:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:52 Thrax wrote:On July 26 2011 10:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:34 Irave wrote:On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote:Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. That discussion started getting off the rails when Milkis got way out of his depth, on the topics at hand. Alex was definitely on an "offensive" going into the discussion, but not directed at Milkis. His business, and his own personal ethics, were being drug through the mud by the anonymous SC2 crowds over effectively a minor miscommunication issue. Everyone responds not the greatest. His big screw up was bringing up the last point. It's not that he was wrong, he has a very legitimate point, but there wasn't any way for it to not come off badly, in that setting. It was an issue of forum & decorum. Truthfully, Milkis did okay, even if he really wasn't up to speed on the topics and wasn't up for matching Alex. Doesn't negate the screw up of bringing up the Journalism topic, but it is what it is. Alex will need to learn to have his Flame Shields on with community stuff. FXOBoSs has run into that problem as well. These guys just aren't used to it, lol. I'm curious to hear Alex's point of view on the journalism issue in more details later. Based on WoC, I probably agree with his general ideas on journalism, but I completely disagree that Milkis was at fault in any way. Milkis was out of his depth. That doesn't mean he was at "fault" for anything. The discussion just went to places he didn't have any ability to speak on. And, let's be clear, Milkis also flubbed a bunch of points on the KeSPA thing pretty badly (doesn't mean he did anything wrong, just that he didn't win that argument). He wasn't going much of anywhere with his thoughts on that. He's definitely not used to discussing topics like this on the fly, which is very definitely a skill set. On the journalism issue, that one is really easy. You could put information in a forum thread here, that gets highlighted, that's false and damaging to a Brand (which EG is). That's technically protected by the First Amendment (in the USA, which the main office of TL is out of, so it has that protection, along with the poster). But, it can still be slanderous or defamatory. This is a *huge* power dynamic issue that the company has little ability to deal with or respond to, before it gets out of hand. That *is* a serious issue and it *will* be a problem. It's more of a problem for Alex than the community, but talking about it with Milkis around was a bad choice of forum. There isn't any way it wouldn't come off as an attack, even if it really wasn't intended to be. This. Posting the article without giving EG a chance to respond first, is sloppy journalism. He translated an article. If EG wants to complain about sloppy journalism they should attack the playxp (?) writer. Cept for the bit where he got a quote from the TSL coach, and gave no EG perspective. Not entirely a bad thing, but still only an article from 1 perspective. Now that EG has written up their (admittedly far too delayed) official statement, people are shitting on it, and some are accusing them of outright lies. He asked scoots on twitter for a response, yet he was ignored. You don't rush statements when something that big was dropped on your organization. The initial responses and views will be against EG purely because of the way the first article was written and toned against EG. Whoever gets the first word will usually get the majority of the playerbase behind them (just how mob mentality works). They obviously needed to do a bit more damage control earlier than 1 week after the incident, but it's still a bit dumb to even need to do it when it could've been avoided entirely
It was coach Lee who decided when to make the statement, not Milkis or TL.
The timing and release of information was in his hands. He ended up getting the first word out (which only happened because EG had not appropriately arranged things with him and TSL before hand - which is another reason why you don't contact the team management LAST on things like this).
TL and its translators shouldn't censor what information gets through from the Korean scene and what doesn't. If the whole thing had been about western team and a manager made a statement in english by directly posting on TL (because he can), translation would not even factor in. Everyone would still instantly have access to the information (without EG's views on it).
You are building your point around a language barrier, which is really just an artificial argument. The information was out, the timing decided by coach Lee himself. TL relayed it because it's what TL is for.
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On July 26 2011 11:33 RusHXceL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:19 Shiori wrote:On July 26 2011 11:18 Zocat wrote:On July 26 2011 11:16 Micromnky wrote:On July 26 2011 11:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:52 Thrax wrote:On July 26 2011 10:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:On July 26 2011 10:34 Irave wrote:On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote:Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. That discussion started getting off the rails when Milkis got way out of his depth, on the topics at hand. Alex was definitely on an "offensive" going into the discussion, but not directed at Milkis. His business, and his own personal ethics, were being drug through the mud by the anonymous SC2 crowds over effectively a minor miscommunication issue. Everyone responds not the greatest. His big screw up was bringing up the last point. It's not that he was wrong, he has a very legitimate point, but there wasn't any way for it to not come off badly, in that setting. It was an issue of forum & decorum. Truthfully, Milkis did okay, even if he really wasn't up to speed on the topics and wasn't up for matching Alex. Doesn't negate the screw up of bringing up the Journalism topic, but it is what it is. Alex will need to learn to have his Flame Shields on with community stuff. FXOBoSs has run into that problem as well. These guys just aren't used to it, lol. I'm curious to hear Alex's point of view on the journalism issue in more details later. Based on WoC, I probably agree with his general ideas on journalism, but I completely disagree that Milkis was at fault in any way. Milkis was out of his depth. That doesn't mean he was at "fault" for anything. The discussion just went to places he didn't have any ability to speak on. And, let's be clear, Milkis also flubbed a bunch of points on the KeSPA thing pretty badly (doesn't mean he did anything wrong, just that he didn't win that argument). He wasn't going much of anywhere with his thoughts on that. He's definitely not used to discussing topics like this on the fly, which is very definitely a skill set. On the journalism issue, that one is really easy. You could put information in a forum thread here, that gets highlighted, that's false and damaging to a Brand (which EG is). That's technically protected by the First Amendment (in the USA, which the main office of TL is out of, so it has that protection, along with the poster). But, it can still be slanderous or defamatory. This is a *huge* power dynamic issue that the company has little ability to deal with or respond to, before it gets out of hand. That *is* a serious issue and it *will* be a problem. It's more of a problem for Alex than the community, but talking about it with Milkis around was a bad choice of forum. There isn't any way it wouldn't come off as an attack, even if it really wasn't intended to be. This. Posting the article without giving EG a chance to respond first, is sloppy journalism. He translated an article. If EG wants to complain about sloppy journalism they should attack the playxp (?) writer. not to mention that you don't delay breaking news to wait 1 week for a statement. that's just laziness on Eg's part. It's Milkis JOB to translate the article.
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its lee's fault for not having a contract.
players/management should be contacted. if you only contact management, management will keep that player in the dark forever.
if u got a contract, none of this will happen. the player can just quit anytime they want and EG gets that player for free without one.
who blew this out of proportion. freaking ex-kespa supporter
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yeah this is in bad taste imo....its been argued to death now and idk i just still call some bs in this
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