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starcraft2rush
306 Posts
Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters.  | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote: Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. You should take your own advice. | ||
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landmarktiger
226 Posts
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:29 Taf the Ghost wrote: While some are saying that EG should stop being involved in drama, the SOTG situation was the result of JP getting a sponsorship offer that'd have conflicted with EG's sponsor contracts, which means Geoff couldn't "remain" a pillar. That wasn't anyone's fault but for an out-of-context screen cap. This situation is Coach Lee venting to a media site rather than calling up and talking to EG. These situations really aren't because they were trying to start anything. Geoff could have stayed on SOTG, as witnessed by the fact that he was allowed to go back if JP would have him. He has posted publicly that EG realizes that they handled the situation poorly. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/izh55/ama_with_me_incontrol/c27w1lf | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:29 jenzebubble wrote: I think there was a stipend for travel provided by NASL. I don't think it was enough to cover a ticket. I also doubt it covered the cost of his visa paperwork. Additionally, just because he wasn't paid a salary does not mean he was not compensated by TSL. They paid for his living expenses. And I think people are way over thinking how much talking got done @ NASL. I imagine it was very little and much of it was done after the fact. I'd be really surprised if they did more than just pitch the general idea there. As for the contract bit, he was under something you might consider a verbal contract. But if either side could end it at any time, that doesn't mean too much. What Coach Lee should have done is get a hold of EG and hash it out. Rather than throw a "going away" party and then going to the SC2 sites. | ||
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woob
United Kingdom1322 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:31 KillerDucky wrote: The key issue: Poll: When should EG contact TSL management? Very first step (72) Right after the real very first step (contacting Puma) (23) After Puma already wants to sign (but this is still declared to be the *first* step) (6) First Step (2) 103 total votes Your vote: When should EG contact TSL management? (Vote): Very first step are you intentioanlly trying to cause more contoversy >_____< | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Fall.182
United States126 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:17 Shiori wrote: Here's a question: does EG usually go around asking random players at tournaments (who are already affiliated with teams) if they'd like to join? Do they already know if these players have contracts? Do they ever consider making business proposals to management, or do they just go around sniffing for players? THIS. never going to like EG ever again. no apology to milkis which is so rude, and im pretty damn sure that half of alex's story is bullshit. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
Yeah, lets make EG feel sorry for what they did then reject their apology. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:25 sereniity wrote: I looked at WoC now and I can't see why people want EG to apologize to Milkis now? He clearly apologized if he was being accusatory ON THE SHOW and I can't really see why people now hate on Alex and DjWheat, what did they do really? Had other opinions, that seems to be all. The thing about journalism is true, what Milkis writes clearly affects EG AS A BUSINESS, wether the translation is biased or not. Also, Milkis is being overreactive about this imo, he even said that EG should apologize to GomTV, what? What does GomTV have to do with his? Feels like this whole shitstorm happened due to this korean culture etc... That's just stupid; Ofcourse what someone translates is not their own work and thus they can not be hold accountable. What are you? Chinese government official? Free speech includes translating other languages. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote: Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:26 Serpico wrote: It's still their choice in the end though, whether it's good or bad is largely irrelevant. People are free to make good and bad business decisions. At the very least they could have looked at his reputation for being a great practice player and had him help train the rest of the team when they were together for foreign events or something. It really depends on their intent on how to use his talents, but it seems they want him to maintain his practice regiment so I don't know really. Well yeah, that's what I mean. I'm kind of derailing from the controversy part and just talking about the actual signing, and if it was a good one. He did do damn well in those iCCup Weekly's and had one good GSTL outting, but he's still missed out on making so many GSL's and he didn't get much play time from TSL. I think his first match was in March or February, and he only went out 1-2 times after that (until the end of June.) We'll just have to see if he can replicate the results. While he's obviously extremely good, I think we're going to see a lot of obviously extremely good players hit the scene this summer. | ||
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jacobmarlow
Canada100 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:33 jenzebubble wrote: Geoff could have stayed on SOTG, as witnessed by the fact that he was allowed to go back if JP would have him. He has posted publicly that EG realizes that they handled the situation poorly. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/izh55/ama_with_me_incontrol/c27w1lf He can still go on, he just can't be a "pillar", which is what the discussion with Scoots was about. They could have handled it better, and this one too, with some better community communication. Which is, technically, what this post is all about. Which is a nice improvement. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:35 jacobmarlow wrote: EG is doing more than enough. They are even retroactively offering a settlement? The people in this community that want EG to do more than this are just trolls or plain stupid. People that want EG to do more definitely do not have a future in business esports or otherwise. They are just trolls trying to cause drama. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote: Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. That sounds more like a personal crusade to smear Milkis' (as well as TL's) reputation than anything he himself did. He's one of the best translators we have and has done absolutely nothing, not even a slightest thing, that could be objectively considered wrong. EG's choice of moves (or lack thereof) directly led to the information getting out in ways other than what they would have liked. Once it got out, there's no turning back, and Milkis was only relaying information. Information I would have liked to have, and information I wouldn't want to stay hidden until EG shows up to do their damage control. I want to be informed (preferably as soon as possible) on things. If you don't, don't complain about it. | ||
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Fall.182
United States126 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote: Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. lol totally wrong. All milkis did was translate an article because EG took a decade to post on apology. you don't understand shit. EG fanboy go to hell User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:35 dacthehork wrote: It still is very underhanded way of things. TSL housed/trained/fed Puma for 10 months in an environment EG could not have provided. To have 10 months of work taken away is pretty ridiculous. That 10 months is still a lot of resources TSL put in and when it finally looked like they would get anything out of it... he is sniped out. It's partly TSL's fault for relying on trust but it still makes me dislike EG and Puma. There is still 10 months of training/food/housing etc that TSL put in to making PuMa better and EG just basically got the ace player without having to invest any effort training them. It also shows me more that EG has no real interest in developing players as their team has been pretty bad lately and now they are going after koreans. This. And I love how alex is like, "just as the first step". That's a clever way to phrase it, Alex, but when you approach a player first and entice him to join your team, answering all his questions, telling him you'll support him (better than TSL), thats not a "first step", that's you already taking the player and expecting him to tell the coach later. Also, your appearance on woc bashing milks-- you should be ashamed of yourself. No longer a fan of EG. Writing a book on your position doesnt make it right. | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote: Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters. A person doesnt need to know the whole story to know that your post reeks of hypocrisy | ||
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