EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 16
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:21 Condor Hero wrote: i agree with you, fuck the he wasnt under contract excuse. he was playing under a TSL tag, his team paid for his plane ticket, so dont act stupid like EG didnt know he wasnt affiliated with a team no, NASL paid for his ticket | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
After getting a nibble EG spent weeks in secret talks with Puma, presumably discussing what Puma could expect from joining EG. Once these talks were concluded and Puma had made up his mind, Puma then went ahead and told his coach his intention to leave his team. And EG's defence is that they were going to talk to TSL's management, but not before weeks of secret negotiations had already concluded and only after Puma had already decided to leave TSL. EG had hoped to get away with this by having discussions with TSL's management after the real discussions with Puma had already ended. This seems a totally legitimate way of recruiting a player, contracted or not! | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:23 Jibba wrote: I don't mean talent in the sense of NFL Combine potential. I mean there are extremely good players already available, and they're simply unknown because we, in the West, don't know about them. Last month it was DRG, this month it'll be Seal or Puzzle or Tandangho. It's not as if Puma was a known quantity when EG began talking to him. He had won the NASL open and an iCCup Weekly at that point. My point is that I would be hesitant to make anyone the top paid player in Korea if they had such a short playing career, or unless they had an extremely strong pedigree such as forGG. The floodgates on BW B-teamers and low A-teamers will open any second and there will be lots of comparable talent. It's still their choice in the end though, whether it's good or bad is largely irrelevant. People are free to make good and bad business decisions. At the very least they could have looked at his reputation for being a great practice player and had him help train the rest of the team when they were together for foreign events or something. It really depends on their intent on how to use his talents, but it seems they want him to maintain his practice regiment so I don't know really. | ||
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setekh
15 Posts
 There is a hard road ahead and it's not sure if some will realize that in e-sports and gaming business must always come second ! Or soon we'll have E variant of WWF - fake punches and sold matches... but $ - the American dream  | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:21 Condor Hero wrote: i agree with you, fuck the he wasnt under contract excuse. he was playing under a TSL tag, his team paid for his plane ticket, so dont act stupid like EG didnt know he wasnt affiliated with a team Didn't NASL cover travel costs? | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:23 War Horse wrote: If you know anything about the history of sports, that was not always true. The players unions had to fight tooth and nail for every benefit they have ever gotten from the owners. There wasn't even true free agency in the NFL until 93. The teams will never want a players union because it would weaken their hold on the players. That's exactly my point though, the growing pains needed for proper player rights and representation are gonna start happening sooner or later, and this mentality that teams are somehow sacred institutions is only going to make the whole process more difficult. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
I think there was a stipend for travel provided by NASL. I don't think it was enough to cover a ticket. I also doubt it covered the cost of his visa paperwork. Additionally, just because he wasn't paid a salary does not mean he was not compensated by TSL. They paid for his living expenses. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:15 jenzebubble wrote: In most every professional sporting league that is considered tampering and is very illegal. http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-09-21/sports/17932653_1_darrius-heyward-bey-tampering-receiver http://www.cheatersguidetobaseball.com/2007/05/03/tampering-minaya-and-cabrera/ http://www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/MLS-clears-Sounders-FC-of-tampering-paving-way-1294666.php It's why you approach agents. There are no agents, nor collective bargining agreements to deal with. There can't be "tampering" without there being an authority to enforce it. Since there isn't, there isn't any actual tampering. As to the statement, Coach Lee's response actually comes off worse. There was a whole lot less lag time than I thought between the Lee/Puma talk. And the fact EG is willing to discuss retroactive transfer fees is really quite interesting. While that's a bit of damage control, it's more than they have to actually do. While some are saying that EG should stop being involved in drama, the SOTG situation was the result of JP getting a sponsorship offer that'd have conflicted with EG's sponsor contracts, which means Geoff couldn't "remain" a pillar. That wasn't anyone's fault but for an out-of-context screen cap. This situation is Coach Lee venting to a media site rather than calling up and talking to EG. These situations really aren't because they were trying to start anything. | ||
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Popsiclestik
United States45 Posts
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Executor1
1353 Posts
NASL gives out a 500 dollar travel stipend the rest is paid for by the teams. 500 dollars will certainly get you across north america for the most part, but not from korea to US. 500 is about 1/3rd of the cost. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
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zerglingrodeo
United States910 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:28 pt wrote: Are people intentionally trying to cause drama or something? Lol. It really looks like it. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Fault on both sides, cultural differences, etc, etc. EG still my favorite team. | ||
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teve
22 Posts
People need to grow up and stop creating drama out of everything. How many of you weren't flaming Milkies in the chat when he repeatedly said "like?" EG fighting! | ||
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
Poll: When should EG contact TSL management? Very first step (72) Right after the real very first step (contacting Puma) (23) After Puma already wants to sign (but this is still declared to be the *first* step) (6) First Step (2) 103 total votes Your vote: When should EG contact TSL management? (Vote): Very first step | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:30 Zooper31 wrote: Was a fan before and still a fan now. Knew this situation was way overblown and only a negative bias has been reported on. EG did nothing wrong and TSL's coach blew everything out of proportion before he talked to EG. You mean before EG talked to him? EG did nothing illegal, on that we all agree. Nothing wrong? That's for everyone to decide for themselves. | ||
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