EPTEG signs PuMa, responds to criticism - Page 18
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Fall.182
United States126 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:35 dacthehork wrote: It still is very underhanded way of things. TSL housed/trained/fed Puma for 10 months in an environment EG could not have provided. To have 10 months of work taken away is pretty ridiculous. That 10 months is still a lot of resources TSL put in and when it finally looked like they would get anything out of it... he is sniped out. It's partly TSL's fault for relying on trust but it still makes me dislike EG and Puma. There is still 10 months of training/food/housing etc that TSL put in to making PuMa better and EG just basically got the ace player without having to invest any effort training them. It also shows me more that EG has no real interest in developing players as their team has been pretty bad lately and now they are going after koreans. THIS | ||
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
It would have been extraordinary if a contract was already written and signed. Even if PuMa was an extreme pushover and signed the first thing thrown at him, I don't think EG could have even written their first offer yet. I don't know why AG even brings it up except to diffuse the situation with irrelevant bullshit. We don't know exactly what was said and what kind of verbal commitments or indications were given by either party. There could have been very strong things said but of course a contract being already signed is out of the question. That fact tells us nothing. We know that serious enough things were said that PuMa was willing to leave TSL. We know that serious enough things were said that AG decided to go on WoC and defend his side of it rather than call the whole thing an overreaction, which would have been an option if he wasn't actually planning to sign PuMa. He might not be 100% sure that he's going to sign PuMa, but he's gotta be pretty sure that he's going to sign him, or at least sure that he still wants to sign him. If contracts take as long to make as he says and Puma has now signed doesn't that mean it was already being written when Puma told Mr. Lee? Doesn't that mean Puma and EG had already agreed to all the terms and it was to late to change anything? What could TSL talk to EG about in that case? I feel like people are focusing on who talked to who first to much and less on the timing of when they decided to tell Mr. Lee and how much negotiation had already happened. I think the difference between "I'm seriously thinking of joining EG can the three of us discuss/negotiate this deal together" and "I've made a deal with EG and am just waiting for the contract." is the most important thing that upset Mr. Lee. | ||
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starcraft2rush
306 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:34 Irave wrote: That's a pretty bold claim to take against Milkis. This guy finds threads that have some relevance or importance to the scene and translates them. To consider this as a crusade to smear EG's reputation makes me think odd things about you. Or perhaps you just aren't very familiar with the scene at all. I watched the show with him and alex on it. It was beyond obvious milkis voice was shaking in anger while he tried to throw silly accusations out. You didn't have to be an expert to figure out what this was about. | ||
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Midgetman101
United States825 Posts
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
I don't see how this couldn't have come to light sooner and that it took you as long as it did to release a statement. I don't think anyone's going to have any sympathy for EG on this matter. | ||
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:31 KillerDucky wrote: The key issue: Poll: When should EG contact TSL management? Very first step (72) Right after the real very first step (contacting Puma) (23) After Puma already wants to sign (but this is still declared to be the *first* step) (6) First Step (2) 103 total votes Your vote: When should EG contact TSL management? (Vote): Very first step Lol this poll is awesome | ||
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starcraft2rush
306 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:40 jupidar wrote: Why would EG contact TSL in the first step? That makes no sense. because if they had done that...most likely they would not have gotten Puma on their roster. Then the EG haters could stay happy knowing one talented player isn't joining their lineup to crush nerd face. | ||
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Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
You had the chance to put things right at WOC and instead, you acted aggressive, arrogant and manipulative. Just like a guilty person would. Looking forward to the day EG is mentioned for SC2 performances rather then controversy, hype, bm, etc. From a SC2 spectators perspective, EG is one of the more insignificant teams. Except Idra, you are most of the time the underdogs, the small ones, yet at the same time the loudest, the most arrogant. No idea where this delusion of "great team" comes from. Maybe you have good sponsors but why would anyone other then your players care about that? GL Puma, hope it was worth it! | ||
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FuTon
United States308 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:32 starcraft2rush wrote: Milkis took this up as a personal crusade to smear EG's reputation in front of the community because he got emotional about the evil American empire stealing away korean talent. Give me a damn break. Milkis should stay out of things he has admitted himself he has no clue about (global esports business dealings). EG did nothing wrong here. If you want to get butt-sore over an American team offering a better deal than a failing Korean team could offer him....then by all means state that as your case instead of masking it behind silly accusations of unethical business dealings. Otherwise suck it up and quit trolling haters.  It sounds more like this is your personal crusade to smear Milkis' and TL's reputation imo. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
I don't think Alex's viewpoint was correct nor necessary to bring up, but he didn't shout profanities in Milkis' face or anything. I think he was mostly upset at Lee for making the bad press announcement and was shooting the messenger. Does this make him wrong? Sure. Does this make him a VILE FUCKING HUMAN BEING WHO DESERVES NOTHING. No. Jesus christ people. | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:35 dacthehork wrote: It still is very underhanded way of things. TSL housed/trained/fed Puma for 10 months in an environment EG could not have provided. To have 10 months of work taken away is pretty ridiculous. That 10 months is still a lot of resources TSL put in and when it finally looked like they would get anything out of it... he is sniped out. It's partly TSL's fault for relying on trust but it still makes me dislike EG and Puma. There is still 10 months of training/food/housing etc that TSL put in to making PuMa better and EG just basically got the ace player without having to invest any effort training them. It also shows me more that EG has no real interest in developing players as their team has been pretty bad lately and now they are going after koreans. You make it sound like Puma didn't do anything in return for the food/housing. You can bet he worked super hard during those 10 months to represent TSL well in Korea and around the world. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On July 26 2011 10:31 Talin wrote: You mean before EG talked to him? EG did nothing illegal, on that we all agree. Nothing wrong? That's for everyone to decide for themselves. EG did nothing wrong. You contact the player first to see if he even would consider moving, signing, etc. Then you contact team after player has shown interest. EG never got to the 2nd step because TSL went public way too early and gave a negative bias. Then EG had to wait to sign PuMa and etc and make a press release having to explain why everything went so badly. | ||
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dennistoo
Singapore155 Posts
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