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strength
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States493 Posts
July 23 2011 01:58 GMT
#141
just fucking awesome. wow.
Khasidon
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark29 Posts
July 23 2011 01:58 GMT
#142
I find this and all the other merger/korean and foreign team collaborations, very exciting. In a years time I wonder how the international scene and GSL korea sc2 pro scene looks I just hope this will bring up the level and work towards perfection, in the game for all parts of the world, where sc2 is played

For our Utopia! :D
Terran
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
July 23 2011 01:59 GMT
#143
On July 23 2011 10:41 FliedLice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 10:38 moltenlead wrote:
Well second of it's kind if we expand the definition a bit, but wow, this is really interesting. FXO/Complexity/Liquid are really pushing the boundaries.


SK gaming anyone?


Actually, SK/coL/FXO/Liquid are within boundaries. EG is expanding the boundaries <3
We talkin about PRACTICE
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 23 2011 01:59 GMT
#144
ohhh now theres fxo/fou, liquid/ogs, col/mvp. am i missing the thing that makes this really distinct from the other two though?
Reapher
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru131 Posts
July 23 2011 01:59 GMT
#145
What a week, full this kind of news !
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 23 2011 01:59 GMT
#146
Also this is very, very awesome. MVP gets to keep their two star players and they get to stay with their team, but they now also have a great sponsorship and can go to more foreign events. Complexity gets one of the top zergs in the world to represent them at foreign tournaments and now has a partnership with a top Korean team if they ever want to send over a player to go for the GSL.

Really, really good move. With FXO/fOu, TL/oGs and now coL/MVP, it's really making it great for Korean teams and foreign teams to become partners/sister teams that benefit both sides.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Chrisattack
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia50 Posts
July 23 2011 01:59 GMT
#147
Wow, strong partnership.
So much foreign and korean deals going on.
EGHuk, Liquid`HerO and oGsMC fan.
Shizel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada23 Posts
July 23 2011 02:00 GMT
#148
This is the best ESPORTS week of my life!
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 02:01:16
July 23 2011 02:00 GMT
#149
On July 23 2011 10:35 Waxangel wrote:
DRG FIGHTING!!!!!!

Oh, here's a semi article I had written up before I stopped trying to make it any good:


Did the EG's pursuit of TSL's Puma close the gates for many Koreans? As much as EG's Alex Garfield espoused the the need for Korea to open itself up to the international way of ESPORTS business, he may very well have become a detriment to his own cause.

Following the the news of Puma's enticement by a foreign team, Korea's two major SC II media sites PlayXP and ThisIsGame wasted no time publishing editorials calling for the hasty implementation of protectionary measures from the Starcraft II Conference (S2Con) of Korea. In fact, ThisIsGame reported that GomTV and S2Con had already felt the need the create protectionary measures before the EG-TSL ordeal went down. If that were not enough, S2Con's own columnist also chipped in with his opinion, brutally criticizing his own organization for their failure to protect the interests of Korean teams and players in this regard.

That's not to say that we won't see more deals like that between MVP and Complexity or oGs and SK. In those deals, the original Korean team retains effective 'ownership' of the player while the foreign company is merely subsidizing his overseas activities.

But the line seems to be drawn at Korean players making complete moves to foreign teams, and it may soon become a very difficult one to cross.

Sources:
Starcraft II Conference: http://s2con.com/xe/column/8373
ThisIsGame: http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=710199&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=
PlayXP: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3209931
Weapon of Choice: http://www.onemoregame.tv/index.php/shows/weapon-of-choice.html



I think a great deal of this comes down to mere speculation, I expect with a sudden jump to stricter contracts a great deal of players are going to take a long, careful look at their options when it comes to playing Starcraft 2 professionally. This could probably go one of three ways.

1. The players and teams agree, perhaps totally or on a vast majority of terms when it comes to the adoption of new, tighter contracts. (this seems rather unlikely, considering that teams and players rarely get along so swimmingly, as evidenced by the genesis of KESPA in Sc1.)

2. The players decide to consolidate and agree to meet with team ownership and decide on rules that take into account the interests of both sides, as opposed to this strange view that team management is somehow the authority on all player considerations. (This seems likely, especially considering the already established players association headed by Junwi)

3. High profile players, ones who have the ability to make money anywhere, will scoff at tighter restrictions, potentially stagnant salaries and lockdows and seek out teams willing to shell out bigger bucks, more travel, etc. (Who knows? I could definitely see players with explosive recent developments of talent, see the entire HoSeo team haha, decide to strike out on their own so to speak.)

In the end, I really think it does the scene a disservice to be so explicitly negative about everything, AG acted as an American business should, the Koreans are reacting in an appropriate manner, and in the end these conflicts will boil down to mere growing pains as the Sc2 scene truly becomes global.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
July 23 2011 02:00 GMT
#150
On July 23 2011 10:57 Krikan wrote:
Isn't the difference here that CoL players get to travel to Korea and stay with MVP to train if they so choose, thus making this deal different that the SK-OGS deal? SK just borrows the players when they go out of the country while Col gets the opportunity to ship a few players to Korea for a 3-4 month training regiment to improve. Seems like a good deal if they've got players willing to take the trip and make the effort.


Pretty much, it's a legitimate two way partnership. Complexity will likely(read hopefully) encourage their own players to interact and be friendly with the MVP players when they come over to international events and should hope for the same in sending their players to Korea(which I hope they take advantage of).

The SK deal was more just paying two players who are already contracted to a team to represent their brand for exposure. This seems about much more than simple exposure, it's a two way partnership as opposed to a simple sponsorship which is more of what SK's situation was.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 23 2011 02:01 GMT
#151
Oh that's great, but I'm sorry to inform you that it won't make the NA scene any better.

User was temp banned for this post.
CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
July 23 2011 02:01 GMT
#152
Why couldn't you guys just approach DongRaeGu when he was alone and offer him double to join your team?
^ Probably a Troll Post
sLBraemar
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada285 Posts
July 23 2011 02:01 GMT
#153
Fnatic/IM next? =)
Don't wait for an opportunity to come to you, create your own.
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
July 23 2011 02:01 GMT
#154
Really hope to see coL succeed especially in light of what EG did and what EG did to coL's 1.6 team. Maybe they can continue their rivalry with SC2 ^^
denzelz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States604 Posts
July 23 2011 02:01 GMT
#155
On July 23 2011 11:01 CellTech wrote:
Why couldn't you guys just approach DongRaeGu when he was alone and offer him double to join your team?


I lawl'd.
Elite__
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada976 Posts
July 23 2011 02:02 GMT
#156
holy crap lol these foreigner/korea partnerships are happening so often now XD

glad to hear though, this is sick
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
July 23 2011 02:02 GMT
#157
Another great move to help the foreginer Korea scene, very well done Complexity!
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
July 23 2011 02:02 GMT
#158
I've Ctrl+F'ed and found no results for Keen? Hopefully you'll be adding him to the roster as he is also a very good player.

Congratulations on the merging, I was not a fan of Complexity prior but I guess I will have to be now to support DRG. Very good business decision.
Hmmm
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 23 2011 02:03 GMT
#159
On July 23 2011 10:59 JiYan wrote:
ohhh now theres fxo/fou, liquid/ogs, col/mvp. am i missing the thing that makes this really distinct from the other two though?


FXO and fOu are now the same team. They are now FXO. The fOu team is now the Korean division of FXO. Same coaching staff, players, etc. as fOu. If any FXO foreign players want to stay with Choya's team in Korea, they can. They don't need to live in the GOM house anymore.

oGs/TL is more of a partnership. They aren't the same team, but they wear each others patches, practice together, and any TL member can go to Korea and practice at the oGs house.

coL and MVP is a partnership between two players currently, DongRaeGu and Genius. coL sponsors them in Korea and at international events. When they come to international events, they wear coL jerseys with MVP patches. Probably means more members can get sponsored or some coL payers could go to Korea to practice with MVP.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
July 23 2011 02:03 GMT
#160
On July 23 2011 11:01 Otolia wrote:
Oh that's great, but I'm sorry to inform you that it won't make the NA scene any better.

Typical European bashing on America for no reason.
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