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On July 22 2011 16:18 Desirous wrote:
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How is it EGs responsibility to approach a team that DOESN'T have a contract with a player?
As far as I'm concerned, Coach Lee is a jackass. And people like him are what's holding eSports up. You didn't feel it was necessary to contract him? Yeah, that's real great. Take advantage of a player considered to be one of the best by his peers in not only SC2 but SC1 as well, and have him represent you for.... food and a spot in the corner to sleep? Fuck you.
Although there is one thing I dislike about the situation on Puma's end. He should have played them off each other to see if he could get a bidding war going.
And for the people thinking international teams "poaching" Koreans will kill the sc2 scene in Korea, who cares? Who's fucking goal is it to make SC2 a one nation game like SC1 was? I want the game to be international. I want there to be a tournament held in Toronto so I can go see it too.
I want my friends to come with me thinking I'm a nerd and walk out fans. I don't want to be forced to stay up till 5am to watch the best vs the best. So long as you leave Koreans be, they'll stay in Korea until they see a chance to go abroad for a quick cash-in.
I really think that you should think carefully before you post or say anything. Reported
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On July 22 2011 16:12 Omigawa wrote:
You're not going to cheer for a player because he took the more financially rewarding route in his career? Who are you to tell him to turn down more money, in a career where your earning potential is already limited.
If this annoys you, never EVER watch real sports.
In sports like hockey there's something they call a restricted free agent. This is to protect their young talent that they spent their time to develop. Other teams can offer contracts this player but they have to give up compensation if they do sign, but most general managers do not do this out of respect and is usually just bad business. If anything, EG could have just done something like OGS has done with TL and SK
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Why is TSL is expecting EG to live up to some unwritten standard for contacting players? There was no contract involved, so EG, or Puma for that matter, did nothing wrong. This is a business not a bunch of unorganized clans that play each other every friday night. TSL and Coach Lee need to figure that out and move on.
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On July 22 2011 16:18 Desirous wrote:
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How is it EGs responsibility to approach a team that DOESN'T have a contract with a player?
As far as I'm concerned, Coach Lee is a jackass. And people like him are what's holding eSports up. You didn't feel it was necessary to contract him? Yeah, that's real great. Take advantage of a player considered to be one of the best by his peers in not only SC2 but SC1 as well, and have him represent you for.... food and a spot in the corner to sleep? Fuck you.
Although there is one thing I dislike about the situation on Puma's end. He should have played them off each other to see if he could get a bidding war going.
And for the people thinking international teams "poaching" Koreans will kill the sc2 scene in Korea, who cares? Who's fucking goal is it to make SC2 a one nation game like SC1 was? I want the game to be international. I want there to be a tournament held in Toronto so I can go see it too.
I want my friends to come with me thinking I'm a nerd and walk out fans. I don't want to be forced to stay up till 5am to watch the best vs the best. So long as you leave Koreans be, they'll stay in Korea until they see a chance to go abroad for a quick cash-in.
lol you act like putting a roof over his head and feeding him isn't compensation for a player who was completely unproven in an sc2 tournament setting until two weeks ago. If you told me you had this really great player named destiny and all the TL fanboys think highly of him so I should put a roof over his head and pay for all of his meals id tell you to go fuck yourself. These people play video games for a living and a handful of us watch them. There's not exactly buckets of money flowing in for all of these teams so dont act surprised when the Intel backed team is rooted against by so many of the 'anti-evil big corporation' crowd.
You kids swear like this is play money thats being dealt with...Puma never even spoke to his team after he bumped the value of his stock up to make him a player worth even putting under contract. You're naive if you think a good business decision for TSL would have been to get a player under contract because other people think hes pretty good or because he has a good ladder ranking (jerk off motion)
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I can't believe people want to boycott EG. It would be BM to harass a contracted member of a team with constant offers, but Puma was not under contract. A contract tells your team members that they are solid and wanted. Even if someone is contracted, it is also possible to buy someone out of their contract. This was a decision that Puma made and EG saw an opportunity. They offered him something better than he was getting on his own team. What was he supposed to do? Wait around and maybe he'll make code S? Sit around without a set/stable salary and live off stipends on a team that was making cuts?
A lot of people here are just being unreasonable.
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It seems like Coach Lee is a good sc2 coach but a very bad business manager. I simply dont understand the hate towards Puma or EG. Puma was a free agent, he can and should talk with every other team thats interested in him.
Yea its sucks for TSL but its there own fault. what kind of manager dont provide contracts to there players? I simply dont understand how can you convince you sponsors that you players wont leave in 2 months?
Welldone EG smart move and nice catch
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On July 22 2011 16:20 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 16:18 Desirous wrote:
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How is it EGs responsibility to approach a team that DOESN'T have a contract with a player?
As far as I'm concerned, Coach Lee is a jackass. And people like him are what's holding eSports up. You didn't feel it was necessary to contract him? Yeah, that's real great. Take advantage of a player considered to be one of the best by his peers in not only SC2 but SC1 as well, and have him represent you for.... food and a spot in the corner to sleep? Fuck you.
Although there is one thing I dislike about the situation on Puma's end. He should have played them off each other to see if he could get a bidding war going.
And for the people thinking international teams "poaching" Koreans will kill the sc2 scene in Korea, who cares? Who's fucking goal is it to make SC2 a one nation game like SC1 was? I want the game to be international. I want there to be a tournament held in Toronto so I can go see it too.
I want my friends to come with me thinking I'm a nerd and walk out fans. I don't want to be forced to stay up till 5am to watch the best vs the best. So long as you leave Koreans be, they'll stay in Korea until they see a chance to go abroad for a quick cash-in. I really think that you should think carefully before you post or say anything. Reported
You may not like what he said, or how he said it, but IMO his points are good and thought out.
Puma doesn't owe TSL anything! He represented them well, he was not paid. I hold a low opinion of Mr. Lee, from what I've seen, he has not acted as an adult or in the best interest of a 20 year old kid.
There might be a reason Trickster, Fruitdealer and Rain have all left..... Koreans are so "mannered" thought they would never speak ill of any coach.... even if he was a raging jackass..... they're only action would be to leave, which clearly many have.
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Respect and honor really are gone it seems. And people actualy defending EG that they were not wrong at all.
It's not about Puma leaving it's on how he leaves, a guy that feeds you and houses you and gives you the opertunity to be a pro gamer deserved a bit more then what he got. Simple thing is Coach Lee would have to let Puma go any way, no contract means Puma is free to go where he pleases. But a correct aproach from EG to Teams TSL would have been the right thing to do and would made for a whole lot less drama.
I wish TSL the best of luck in these hard times, but it seems the core will stay and keep TSL a great team with soon new members.
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It's unfortunate TSL Lee feels hard done by and I definitely understand his feelings. I feel though that if PUMA had a good situation with TSL he won't have been so easily tempted to EG. EG did show pretty poor etiquette approaching him and not his team first. Or even at all it would seem. But this isn't major league sport just yet. Someday it will be but when we get there players will also have extensive contracts supported by teams that can support them.
I think this move will benefit everyone except TSL who unfortunately are seemingly falling apart at the moment (reminds me of my old WOW server-first-getting Raid Guild.) PUMA will be able to crush it at foreign tournaments and dramatically increase his profile in the foreign scene and EG will get a world class practice bonjwa. Especially with EG starting their Pro-Gaming House hopefully PUMA's practise regimen won't suffer too greatly and he can remain at the top of his game. Let's hope he won't have any personal issues that plague him (homesickness, language barrier struggles.)
Good luck to everyone involved, especially TSL!
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Thank you to the "TL lurker" who translated the invterview.
I liked Coach Lees answers. You really got a sense of how much he cares for his players and the teams success. You also knew he was passionate about what he is doing. I like how he admitted he might have made some bad decisions/mistakes. I also like how he wants to improve everything around the team, both inside and outside of game, and is pushing to promote sc2 to the korean fan base.
Respect for Coach Lee.
I wonder who went after Clide and SangHo though ...
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On July 22 2011 16:38 Lysanias wrote:
Respect and honor really are gone it seems. And people actualy defending EG that they were not wrong at all.
It's not about Puma leaving it's on how he leaves, a guy that feeds you and houses you and gives you the opertunity to be a pro gamer deserved a bit more then what he got. Simple thing is Coach Lee would have to let Puma go any way, no contract means Puma is free to go where he pleases. But a correct aproach from EG to Teams TSL would have been the right thing to do and would made for a whole lot less drama.
I wish TSL the best of luck in these hard times, but it seems the core will stay and keep TSL a great team with soon new members.
A guy that feeds you and house you but dont pay you?? But you are expected to work for him and his sponsors..
hmm, this remind me of something, ohh yea the age of slaves!!
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This whole damn Puma thing has made me very upset with EG. It's turned me into a hell of an anti fan and now I find myself cheering TSL when I didn't care before.
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On July 22 2011 16:41 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 16:38 Lysanias wrote:
Respect and honor really are gone it seems. And people actualy defending EG that they were not wrong at all.
It's not about Puma leaving it's on how he leaves, a guy that feeds you and houses you and gives you the opertunity to be a pro gamer deserved a bit more then what he got. Simple thing is Coach Lee would have to let Puma go any way, no contract means Puma is free to go where he pleases. But a correct aproach from EG to Teams TSL would have been the right thing to do and would made for a whole lot less drama.
I wish TSL the best of luck in these hard times, but it seems the core will stay and keep TSL a great team with soon new members. A guy that feeds you and house you but dont pay you?? But you are expected to work for him and his sponsors.. hmm, this remind me of something, ohh yea the age of slaves!!
can't tell if serious
slavery =/= playin games while getting free food and housing
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On July 22 2011 16:12 Omigawa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:42 mols0n wrote:On July 22 2011 12:37 Slakter wrote:On July 22 2011 12:34 Emporio wrote:Holy crap dude, where's EG's statement in this? Biased as shit. + Show Spoiler +jokes aside, good to see some solid facts when Coach Lee is calmer to clarify his side They are busy grubbing themselves in moneyz and laughing evily. No, that wasnt serious. I am also awaiting their statement, will probably be very interesting. I don't care for EG's statement. They're a bunch of cheaters over there anyways. They poached Complexity from Jason Lake, and now they've done the same, low class organization. I was becoming a Puma fan, but I won't cheer for them while he is on that team You're not going to cheer for a player because he took the more financially rewarding route in his career? Who are you to tell him to turn down more money, in a career where your earning potential is already limited. If this annoys you, never EVER watch real sports.
I disagree completely. This is actually a great reason to watch "real sports." Because there are plenty of players who defy the norm and do not team hop. These are the players that often have the best fan-player interaction and the largest following within the fans of the teams they play for. Cal Ripken Jr, Tony Gywnn, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell (I only follow baseball). These were all all-star players who stuck with their teams through winning and losing etc. These are the players that should be and often are most loved (did you see the ovations that Cal Ripken or Derek Jeter got for their 3000 hit?). Sports do not need to be about money-hungry a-holes. There are plenty of quality professionals who like the money but ALSO love the game.
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On July 22 2011 16:42 Immolate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 16:41 Nerdslayer wrote:On July 22 2011 16:38 Lysanias wrote:
Respect and honor really are gone it seems. And people actualy defending EG that they were not wrong at all.
It's not about Puma leaving it's on how he leaves, a guy that feeds you and houses you and gives you the opertunity to be a pro gamer deserved a bit more then what he got. Simple thing is Coach Lee would have to let Puma go any way, no contract means Puma is free to go where he pleases. But a correct aproach from EG to Teams TSL would have been the right thing to do and would made for a whole lot less drama.
I wish TSL the best of luck in these hard times, but it seems the core will stay and keep TSL a great team with soon new members. A guy that feeds you and house you but dont pay you?? But you are expected to work for him and his sponsors.. hmm, this remind me of something, ohh yea the age of slaves!! can't tell if serious slavery =/= playin games while getting free food and housing
Im very serious, if this is the way of the korean sc2 scene atm where they put a player in a little cage with 10 others without getting payed while there team owners get the big sponsor money. Then this insident was the best thing that could happend to the korean players.
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On July 22 2011 16:43 Mazeltov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 16:12 Omigawa wrote:On July 22 2011 12:42 mols0n wrote:On July 22 2011 12:37 Slakter wrote:On July 22 2011 12:34 Emporio wrote:Holy crap dude, where's EG's statement in this? Biased as shit. + Show Spoiler +jokes aside, good to see some solid facts when Coach Lee is calmer to clarify his side They are busy grubbing themselves in moneyz and laughing evily. No, that wasnt serious. I am also awaiting their statement, will probably be very interesting. I don't care for EG's statement. They're a bunch of cheaters over there anyways. They poached Complexity from Jason Lake, and now they've done the same, low class organization. I was becoming a Puma fan, but I won't cheer for them while he is on that team You're not going to cheer for a player because he took the more financially rewarding route in his career? Who are you to tell him to turn down more money, in a career where your earning potential is already limited. If this annoys you, never EVER watch real sports. I disagree completely. This is actually a great reason to watch "real sports." Because there are plenty of players who defy the norm and do not team hop. These are the players that often have the best fan-player interaction and the largest following within the fans of the teams they play for. Cal Ripken Jr, Tony Gywnn, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Jeff Bagwell (I only follow baseball). These were all all-star players who stuck with their teams through winning and losing etc. These are the players that should be and often are most loved (did you see the ovations that Cal Ripken or Derek Jeter got for their 3000 hit?). Sports do not need to be about money-hungry a-holes. There are plenty of quality professionals who like the money but ALSO love the game.
And those guys were all paid very, very well by their teams. You think they didn't approach other teams or field offers when they could? If so, don't be so naive.
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misunderstanding, best luck to all
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On July 22 2011 12:49 storm44 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 12:48 mols0n wrote:On July 22 2011 12:45 Emporio wrote:On July 22 2011 12:42 mols0n wrote:On July 22 2011 12:37 Slakter wrote:On July 22 2011 12:34 Emporio wrote:Holy crap dude, where's EG's statement in this? Biased as shit. + Show Spoiler +jokes aside, good to see some solid facts when Coach Lee is calmer to clarify his side They are busy grubbing themselves in moneyz and laughing evily. No, that wasnt serious. I am also awaiting their statement, will probably be very interesting. I don't care for EG's statement. They're a bunch of cheaters over there anyways. They poached Complexity from Jason Lake, and now they've done the same, low class organization. I was becoming a Puma fan, but I won't cheer for them while he is on that team What is the Complexity thing? It was during the counter-strike 1.6. Complexity's entire Counter-Strike roster was basically poached by EG without any knowledge of Jason Lake heres the link http://www.gotfrag.com/cs/story/43572/
Yeye, but remember that the players wasn't happy about Jason Lake so the players wanted to leave, Frod did tell in a live interview that ppl didn't know the bad side because you only see the good side about Jason and so on. I don't think Puma was unhappy with his team(or Coach Lee) before leaving so you can't really not compare with that.
TSL hwaiting~~
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Clide and Sangho made a fan out of me today.
Let's hope TSL can learn and rebuild.
TSL FIGHTING!!
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Wow a first page without any bans/warnings, well done boys. 
Also I think it is awesome what Clide and Sangho did for the team, so much respect for those guys.
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