EPTAbout some troubles (SlayerS_Jessica) - Page 33
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Foooky
Australia205 Posts
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Catacrux
2 Posts
SlayerS wants to get more female gamers into the professional scene by recruiting a female. <--- Affirmative Action POV. ^ I see nothing wrong with that, just my opinion. Destiny's point is "That's sexist." <--- Anti-Affirmative Action POV. I believe the post has a bit lost in translation due to cultural differences. | ||
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Ridiculisk
Australia191 Posts
I think you're doing the right thing as both SlayerS managment and a professional in the world of E-sports. Protecting your players from baseless bullying is very admirable. I'll be cheering for SlayerS_Eve in teh GSTL. SlayerS hwaiting! | ||
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Deleuzebwo
72 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:25 Foooky wrote: Alot of the posts in this thread seem to be about justifying putting her on the team. However, Jessica's post mainly pertains to her choice to defend her female team member from the cyberbullying in Korea. Whether she's deserving of a team spot or not is debatable, but I really think its a good move to bring people who post extremely disgusting things (her face on AV actresses) to justice. It not only hurts the person and any female who might desire to become a progamer in the future, but also her family! I don't think anyone is condoning the bullying. You are right - it is things like that which create a hostile environment for women in esports. But how Jessica's post is worded does its own, more subtle, damage. Mindsets AND behaviors must be changed. Lets fix both. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
It is truly unfortunate that it had to come to a first-hand explanation here on our own TL network but I am glad one has finally been given. Everything should just be dropped and trolls blocked, as per usual... | ||
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Deleuzebwo
72 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:26 Catacrux wrote: Affirmative Action (SlayerS) vs Anti-Affirmative Action (Destiny) SlayerS wants to get more female gamers into the professional scene by recruiting a female. <--- Affirmative Action POV. ^ I see nothing wrong with that, just my opinion. Destiny's point is "That's sexist." <--- Anti-Affirmative Action POV. I believe the post has a bit lost in translation due to cultural differences. No. That is not what Jessica's post says. It says they are bringing in a female player for entertainment, not expecting her to compete seriously in the GSL. I'm not really a fan of Destiny, and I am not an anti-AA crusader, but that's not even how the post is worded. | ||
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RevOrchid
Canada68 Posts
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
Alot of the posts in this thread seem to be about justifying putting her on the team. However, Jessica's post mainly pertains to her choice to defend her female team member from the cyberbullying in Korea. Whether she's deserving of a team spot or not is debatable, but I really think its a good move to bring people who post extremely disgusting things (her face on AV actresses) to justice. It not only hurts the person and any female who might desire to become a progamer in the future, but also her family! That is because no one disagrees with Jessica saying the bullying is fucked up. | ||
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Deleuzebwo
72 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:30 Puph wrote: I think both sides somewhat over-reacted to say the least, but the fact of the matter remains that slayers_ is attempting to breach the gender barrier and shunning this is simply sexism. I am sure others have said the same but this is how I personally feel about it It is truly unfortunate that it had to come to a first-hand explanation here on our own TL network but I am glad one has finally been given. Everything should just be dropped and trolls blocked, as per usual... Discussion needs to ensue if we are to actually change the esports environment for women. Trolls can be banned but things should not be dropped. Again, this post does not, in fact, breach the gender barrier. If they were to recruit Eve with a simple "She has potential guys, watch out!" that certainly would. Saying women can't compete in BW, saying that Eve is there for entertainment and not as a serious GSL competitor do not. Big yes to reaching out to female gamers, but I think the presentation needs polishing. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Zaik0
Norway4 Posts
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
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volen
Germany28 Posts
I know haters will always exist in every community but i had hoped for better with in the SC and gaming community.. It's so sad that exactly this kind of stuff is what will be remembered and stand out out of all. My biggest hope is that SlayerS and Jessica won't judge the whole TL from it..though i fear it is far to late...Even thought it probably won't matter i would like to excuse of behalf of these people to Eve and Jessica and to tell them that i deeply regret this happened. I have nothing but huge respect to them. We all care and love you...keep your passion and don't let such things pull you down... SlayerS fighting <3  | ||
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imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
but I think the presentation needs polishing. It's the intent not the presentation that needs polishing. Recruiting her for being a girl is just as bad if they tell people or not. | ||
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Catacrux
2 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:31 Deleuzebwo wrote: No. That is not what Jessica's post says. It says they are bringing in a female player for entertainment, not expecting her to compete seriously in the GSL. I'm not really a fan of Destiny, and I am not an anti-AA crusader, but that's not even how the post is worded. My response was more geared towards what Destiny was saying on his stream. The point he is defending is that the fact they're giving her the opportunity because she's female is sexist (Anti-affirmative action POV). So there's no winner because one thinks they should help females enter the professional scene whereas Destiny thinks that females should get there on their own. What Destiny was arguing was Affirmative Action from SlayerS against his Anti-affirmative action POV. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
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MVega
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katzby
United States110 Posts
Anti-fanaticism is stupid, but you have to examine the factors that are fueling it. Even though it spiraled out of control with the immature people shopping pornographic images and personally attacking Slayers Jessica, you have to take the fact that Eve was recruited because she is a girl and she is 'pretty'. I am disgusted and amused at this bit. I'm amused because it's obviously a Korean who started the whole mess because of something superficial like outside appearance. I am disgusted because I have long since held the belief that with the growing popularity of Starcraft, a prominent female gamer would arrive on the scene. I am sorely disappointed in the fact that the status was given to this Eve. Eve may be pretty to look at, but other than that she is nothing special. Even with the coaching and training of the SlayerS team, she was given a helping hand, and did not achieve anything on her own to reach her position. When all the fanfare has died down, and if Eve has not played up to her potential, she will be dismissed and will even be a crushing blow towards developing genuine female interest in Starcraft. With that being said, I'm waiting for the true Eve of Starcraft to appear, the one who actually worked her way up to the top with blood and tears. This false Eve is nothing more but a awakening herald of greatness to come. | ||
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OliverDONG
Canada151 Posts
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Deleuzebwo
72 Posts
On July 22 2011 09:38 imallinson wrote: It's the intent not the presentation that needs polishing. Recruiting her for being a girl is just as bad if they tell people or not. I won't get into an Af-Action/Anti-Af-Action debate here. I should have been more clear though - that statement comes with the (hopeful) assumption that Jessica ACTUALLY meant to say that Eve could become as good as any of their male players. I am very hopeful that this is the result of overzealous translation. | ||
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