About some troubles (SlayerS_Jessica) - Page 34

On July 22 2011 09:40 katzby wrote:
Speaking as a female gamer, recruiting a person like Eve is insulting because it's assuming that women are too timid to make a name for themselves, to play for themselves, to train themselves, and they need encouragement in the form of a figurehead like Eve as a some sort of helping hand to get themselves reaching higher skill levels of Starcraft. This is equivalent to saying that women cannot hope to achieve the same skill level as men in games..... separating women from men in a male-dominated scene like Starcraft.

Anti-fanaticism is stupid, but you have to examine the factors that are fueling it. Even though it spiraled out of control with the immature people shopping pornographic images and personally attacking Slayers Jessica, you have to take the fact that Eve was recruited because she is a girl and she is 'pretty'. I am disgusted and amused at this bit. I'm amused because it's obviously a Korean who started the whole mess because of something superficial like outside appearance. I am disgusted because I have long since held the belief that with the growing popularity of Starcraft, a prominent female gamer would arrive on the scene. I am sorely disappointed in the fact that the status was given to this Eve. Eve may be pretty to look at, but other than that she is nothing special. Even with the coaching and training of the SlayerS team, she was given a helping hand, and did not achieve anything on her own to reach her position. When all the fanfare has died down, and if Eve has not played up to her potential, she will be dismissed and will even be a crushing blow towards developing genuine female interest in Starcraft.

With that being said, I'm waiting for the true Eve of Starcraft to appear, the one who actually worked her way up to the top with blood and tears. This false Eve is nothing more but a awakening herald of greatness to come.

On July 22 2011 09:26 Catacrux wrote:
Affirmative Action (SlayerS) vs Anti-Affirmative Action (Destiny)

SlayerS wants to get more female gamers into the professional scene by recruiting a female. <--- Affirmative Action POV.

^ I see nothing wrong with that, just my opinion.

Destiny's point is "That's sexist." <--- Anti-Affirmative Action POV.

I believe the post has a bit lost in translation due to cultural differences.

On July 22 2011 09:42 Deleuzebwo wrote:



I won't get into an Af-Action/Anti-Af-Action debate here. I should have been more clear though - that statement comes with the (hopeful) assumption that Jessica ACTUALLY meant to say that Eve could become as good as any of their male players. I am very hopeful that this is the result of overzealous translation.

On July 22 2011 09:44 Versioned wrote:
Ironically Jessica I find this thread incredibly sexist I'll keep this post to the point by saying that what you're basically stating is

Girls are incapable of achieving the same ability/skill level of males with the same resources males use. And you're there to help this female gamer who is in diamond league get to a high-competitive level to so she has the capability of achieving wins off top MALE gamers.

So what girls can't actually achieve a high level of skill without a pro team picking them up and training them whilst their at their peak in terms of gender??

You clearly chose Eve JUST because she's a girl and it is highly unlikely you would give a male the same opportunity. (If a male gamer knocked on your door and said, "Hey I just beat a league which mainly consists of Silver and Gold players and am very dedicated can I join the team?")

and that statement is sexist TOWARDS Female gamers it's not helping the E-sports scene at all, I can guarantee you if a female just like a male put her mind/time and passion into this game she would produce results like any other professional gamers that have used there time grinding the ladder and winning mini tournaments to make a name for themselves.

You've chose the wrong time to do this and it would have been MUCH better if a female gamer that is actually at a high level due to her own hard-work arose in the competitive scene and made a name for female gamers by actually achieving results.

Rather than a girl whose results at the game currently have shown no capability in competing at a professional level of gaming in Starcraft 2.

Haters gonna hate

On July 22 2011 09:45 shell wrote:
This is weird but imagine if it was a picture of your sister photoshopped into a porn scene and then it as spread all over the net and later to your family, friends, work or campus..

I feel people hide behind their keyboards and shit all over other people.

Gl to boxer and friends

On July 22 2011 09:50 iamlafore wrote:
I've heard the argument that "if it was a male then he wouldn't have gotten a second look" and all the cute comparisons to other scenarios but I feel there's one comparison these people fail to draw.

Yes: they recruited a girl largely because she is a girl, but this is not necessarily a decision motivated by sexism and worthy of outrage. Where I grew up, when it came time to apply to college, the entrance requirements were explicitly different for certain groups of the population. Everyone here with the ridiculous argument amounting to: "they have the exact same opportunities to improve themselves" are being blind to the world outside of a computer, sc2 account and Internet. Yes if we locked a girl and a boy in a room (-.-) they might both improve, but the pressure put on a boy in Korea wanting to practice 12 hours a day and on a girl might be significantly different. Because of the way history played out, a boy might easily find other boy friends who shares his SC2 interest while the girl might be hard pressed to even talk to her friends about it. To expand on my parallel, even though we all had access to the same public schools where I grew up, white families had been favoured by historical events and could thus AFFORD to send their kids to private school (as well as creating more stable environments to foster learning). If everyone were judged by the same stick in this world, the people outside this cozy white circle might be quite capable but their grades took a hit because of bad environment, 2nd rate teachers, and a family history not inclusive of academic pursuit. The universities rightly take this into account to try encourage participation and to negate those social factors to level the playing field.

Think long and hard about how gaming has developed and whether a girl REALLY has the same opportunities as guys to just devote a lot of time to it and STILL have a family/social life where she can express these interests.

Love, T

(Oh and a final thought, where I grew up the only people who ever got outraged at the differences in college requirements were the white people who had benefit from years of repressive policies... just a thought.)

On July 22 2011 09:51 iLikeYourStylez wrote:
I still don't see why everyone is making SUCH a huge fuss out of this... So Eve is said to be not performing up to par right now... who says she can't get better? Jessica said that she doesn't expect Eve to perform in GSL but also that doesn't mean she WON'T. Also, maybe they really do see potential in her... There are TONS of StarcraftII players that, in my honest opinion, will never be a threatening player in a tournament, players that I would willingly bet that they will not get past the Round of 16, if they were to pass the prelims by a stroke of luck. There are also players that get invited into the tournaments whom I can bet my left toe saying that he will NOT win that tournament. If all this is apparent in SC2 now, I don't see what the problem is...

Besides, are the people who are mad simply mad because she got into Slayers and they or their favorite player didn't? Well Starcraft is a sport but also something for entertainment, that's why BoxeR is still so damn popular. I don't really see my favorite player of all time winning GSL anytime soon... but I tune in to every VOD of him, why? Cuz his, "super innovative and aggressive" strategies" are ENTERTAINING. No doubt Eve will also "entertain" the crowd in one way or the other.

I HONESTLY do not see the problem in her joining Slayers, nor do I see a problem with Slayers Jessica fighting off anti's. Give Eve sometime... If in a couple months she proves to have nothing "unique" about her games and all they are are just macro-fests with no extra spice added on, then I'd be happy to withdraw my "very important" statement (sarcasm about my opinion in this holding any water at all) but I still believe Eve will perform well. In fact, because of all this criticism she's receiving, I feel like she'd be motivated to show us a great game, full of micro and unorthodox play.

Best wishes to Slayers

On July 22 2011 09:51 iLikeYourStylez wrote:
I still don't see why everyone is making SUCH a huge fuss out of this... So Eve is said to be not performing up to par right now... who says she can't get better? Jessica said that she doesn't expect Eve to perform in GSL but also that doesn't mean she WON'T. Also, maybe they really do see potential in her... There are TONS of StarcraftII players that, in my honest opinion, will never be a threatening player in a tournament, players that I would willingly bet that they will not get past the Round of 16, if they were to pass the prelims by a stroke of luck. There are also players that get invited into the tournaments whom I can bet my left toe saying that he will NOT win that tournament. If all this is apparent in SC2 now, I don't see what the problem is...

Besides, are the people who are mad simply mad because she got into Slayers and they or their favorite player didn't? Well Starcraft is a sport but also something for entertainment, that's why BoxeR is still so damn popular. I don't really see my favorite player of all time winning GSL anytime soon... but I tune in to every VOD of him, why? Cuz his, "super innovative and aggressive" strategies" are ENTERTAINING. No doubt Eve will also "entertain" the crowd in one way or the other.

I HONESTLY do not see the problem in her joining Slayers, nor do I see a problem with Slayers Jessica fighting off anti's. Give Eve sometime... If in a couple months she proves to have nothing "unique" about her games and all they are are just macro-fests with no extra spice added on, then I'd be happy to withdraw my "very important" statement (sarcasm about my opinion in this holding any water at all) but I still believe Eve will perform well. In fact, because of all this criticism she's receiving, I feel like she'd be motivated to show us a great game, full of micro and unorthodox play.

Best wishes to Slayers

On July 22 2011 09:51 iLikeYourStylez wrote:
I still don't see why everyone is making SUCH a huge fuss out of this... So Eve is said to be not performing up to par right now... who says she can't get better? Jessica said that she doesn't expect Eve to perform in GSL but also that doesn't mean she WON'T. Also, maybe they really do see potential in her... There are TONS of StarcraftII players that, in my honest opinion, will never be a threatening player in a tournament, players that I would willingly bet that they will not get past the Round of 16, if they were to pass the prelims by a stroke of luck. There are also players that get invited into the tournaments whom I can bet my left toe saying that he will NOT win that tournament. If all this is apparent in SC2 now, I don't see what the problem is...

Besides, are the people who are mad simply mad because she got into Slayers and they or their favorite player didn't? Well Starcraft is a sport but also something for entertainment, that's why BoxeR is still so damn popular. I don't really see my favorite player of all time winning GSL anytime soon... but I tune in to every VOD of him, why? Cuz his, "super innovative and aggressive" strategies" are ENTERTAINING. No doubt Eve will also "entertain" the crowd in one way or the other.

I HONESTLY do not see the problem in her joining Slayers, nor do I see a problem with Slayers Jessica fighting off anti's. Give Eve sometime... If in a couple months she proves to have nothing "unique" about her games and all they are are just macro-fests with no extra spice added on, then I'd be happy to withdraw my "very important" statement (sarcasm about my opinion in this holding any water at all) but I still believe Eve will perform well. In fact, because of all this criticism she's receiving, I feel like she'd be motivated to show us a great game, full of micro and unorthodox play.

Best wishes to Slayers